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    Want to avoid getting burned by a lease-purchase agreement?

    Want to avoid getting burned by a lease-purchase agreement?

    It's simple. Just don't sign on.
    Recently, OOIDA’s Business Assistance Department has noticed an alarming increase in people signing on to lease-purchase programs with large motor carriers. Our experience in reviewing these contracts and receiving numerous complaints over the years tells us these programs almost never benefit anyone except the motor carriers and should be avoided.
    Admittedly, at first glance a lease-purchase agreement can seem attractive – no credit check, no down payment, and truck payment generated from load pay.
    Sounds like a good deal, right?
    Well, what may not be clear if you fail to read the fine print is that if you sign one of these, you will have no ownership rights until the truck is paid off. One real big catch is that the truck must remain leased with the company that “owns” it. That is the motor carrier.
    What that means is you are tied to that company and unable to drive the truck wherever you want. Also, truck payments are usually deducted weekly instead of your making a monthly payment, and the truck payment is taken out before you receive your paycheck even if it means you receive a negative pay slip.
    And that’s just a start.
    Typical complaints we receive include:

    • Truck needs constant repairs;
    • Never receive a paycheck;
    • Miles have been cut;
    • No paycheck and getting further and further in the hole with the company;
    • Can’t generate any money, and the company refuses to let you move the truck;
    • Couldn’t make it so I turned the truck in and went back to being a company driver, but the company is still charging me payments on the truck; and
    • Company requires a separate maintenance (escrow) account, but I never get to use it when the truck needs repairs. There may be other escrow accounts, too.

    Over the years, we have dealt with carriers that leased out trucks on which they did not hold titles. Some carriers that filed bankruptcy or simply closed their doors would often leave the equipment unsecured or not paid for, which meant the lessee lost the truck and all the money already paid toward it.
    In one case, we dealt with a company whose company shop charged unbelievable fees for repairs on equipment they took back after a default. Trick is, they never made the repairs.
    This same company would continue to charge lease payments to the original lessee on equipment they had already leased to another driver – with that driver making payments as well.
    When the original drivers refused to pay and demanded the maintenance and escrow money back, they were provided with bills showing outstanding balances owed to the company. This company went a step further by turning these outstanding debts over to a collection agency. To this day, the drivers who were in this company’s lease-purchase program are fighting the effects of a bad credit score.
    Probably the best way to avoid being ripped off in a lease-purchase situation is to not enter into one. But if you still think you can be one of the rare success stories, here are some things to check before you sign the dotted line.
    Run the numbers. Even if you are lucky enough to complete the lease, in most cases you may pay far more than the equipment is worth.

    1. Ask about the title. Does the company have a clear title or is the equipment financed?
    2. Is the finance company aware the equipment is being leased?
    3. What assurances can they give you that when you make your payments, they will make theirs?
    4. How many lessees has the equipment had? (This is a big one. If other drivers were in a lease on this equipment, what happened to them?)
    5. Check the mileage. Does it make sense for the year of the truck?
    6. Ask for maintenance records.
    7. Ask about freight availability. You can also check into the availability by talking to drivers before you have your meeting with the company.
    8. Beware of companies that have a company driver fleet as well as a lease-purchase fleet. The company pays the expenses on company trucks so those trucks will be dispatched first and for the best loads.
    9. What items are going to be charged back to you besides the truck payment? You need the cost breakdown, not just the list of items, and then run the numbers again. Determine how much revenue you will need to generate each week to keep your head above water. Then balance that out with the number of miles you believe you will realistically be dispatched.
    10. Review the contract completely to understand each and every condition specified in it. Watch for additional charges that will be assessed for excessive mileage, or clauses that allow the company to take the equipment back should you default. Also understand the conditions that warrant a default.
    11. Many agreements state you are in default if you fall behind on even one payment. This is important because the company controls the amount of revenue you generate.

    When considering a lease-purchase program, remember that until the final payment is made, you are paying the bills, expenses, insurance, maintenance, repairs and taxes on equipment owned and controlled by someone else. At any time during your agreement you could lose the equipment and your investment.
    Are you really ready to sign up for that?
    Keep in mind this question: If there was so much money to be made by owning a truck, why would the company be trying so hard to sell you theirs? LL

    This article was prepared by OOIDA’s Business Assistance Department, with OOIDA Executive Vice President Todd Spencer.



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    Thanks for posting, now How do you get folks to read and heed it ?????

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    some people dont have any other options for work or income- even if it means living on $150 cash advance every week. it beats sitting in a parking lot broke. at least theres a roof and bunk to sleep in

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    WOW, motorhome-company issued !!!!!!!!!!!

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    The best way to avoid getting burned is to never get involved with a lease .


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    Quote Originally Posted by RickG View Post
    The best way to avoid getting burned is to never get involved with a lease .
    Before I saw your post, that was those were the exact words I wanted to use LOL..

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickG View Post
    The best way to avoid getting burned is to never get involved with a lease .
    If you lease a truck, you are not an owner-operator. If you leased from a carrier then you are just a company driver making the truck and fuel payments. If you leased from leasing company, you do not own the truck. Most have restriction on what you may or may not alter on the truck. In the end the truck is not yours, you do not own it.

    If you pay cash or received a loan from a bank or credit union, you own the truck.

    Just look at a car title. If you lease the car, the title is in the leasing companies name. If you get a loan, the title is in your name and the bank is listed as a lean holder.

    Most of the large companies that are leasing to new drivers, lease there trucks in quantity. Even if you make all the payments to the company, but the company doesn't pay the leasing company, you lose the truck. Doesn't matter that you have all your settlement statement, the lease was with the trucking company and the leasing company, not you and the leasing company.

    Mark


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    With the Arrow story getting better and better with little Dougie and friends now being looked at by the FBI and quiet possibly being charged under the RICO act, I'll let you read this article from Land Line about lease drivers getting bent big time then I'll tell you something ALL OF YOU LEASE/FLEECE PURCHASE DRIVERS NEED TO DO!

    http://www.landlinemag.com/todays_ne.../010810-03.htm

    No that you read the story this should get you all just nervous enough to contact whoever you are leased to ESPECIALLY those companies that seem to come up with creative ways to keep your money!

    It should say on your copy of the contract who the finance company is. Apparently a lot of the Arrow drivers did not keep up with what was supposed to get paid and "trusted" those handling their payments. How about the rest of you lease/fleece drivers out there?

    Your first act after reading this should be to CALL the finance company or whoever is holding the title to the truck and make sure that payments are actually being received! Dont just take their word for it, GET a printed copy! Paper is ALWAYS better than a phone call!

    You should do this EVERY month! DO NOT TRUST the company that is dispatching , paying , setting up the truck and paying you! Just because they give you a piece of paper saying they paid and held monies does not mean they did! Look at Arrow! Get the proof from the REAL owner of the truck

    The same goes for you people who are having child support payments taken out of your settlements! Check with DFC or whatever government group is supposed to be receiving these payments! Non payment means JAIL time! Check every month to be sure! Again do not trust anyone to make payments for you! ESPECIALLY some of these MAJOR bottom feeders! "Remember Arrow!"

    "Remember Arrow" should be the rally call these days so that you drivers will remember that no matter how "big" a company is they can fall/fail just as easily as a small company and as I have mentioned several times in other posts there is a trend happening where Daddy starts a company and either dies or leaves it to some CEO genius and everyone of these companies go through major changes, none benefiting the main money makers, you drivers, and said company becomes a mill spitting out drivers faster than the driving mills can turn them out!

    Cases in point:Arrow, JB Hunt, CR England, CXI (later know as Willie Jean Express) just to name 4 but the list is longer.

    Take your life in your OWN hands and keep track of what your company is doing to you! Trust no one except yourself!


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    You're right rollover

    I work for JB and after the old man passed away there have been some big changes. I've asked upper management what was going on with all the loss of work and he told me we were expanding,that remains to be seen and if so it must be another part of the country. I live up in New England and when I signed on with them over 5yrs ago they had a ton of work up here but now it's all gone even the northeast regional and they won't even hire drivers from up here anymore. I was on the Walmart account outta Johnstown,NY which was suppose to be their biggest dedicated account and they lost that.
    Thanks and God Bless
    Dave

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    Yup, that's what they do. Pawn off all the truck expenses on the driver so they don't have to pay it but still continue to collect $$$ from the load.

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