How to make it as an owner operator

Discussion in 'Freight Broker Forum' started by Gunz444, Jul 22, 2012.

  1. Gunz444

    Gunz444 Light Load Member

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    Been an O/O 4 years now. Got my own authority 1.5 years ago. 1 Year ago I figured things out. At first I was all about MILES MILES MILES. All that got me was a look at a lot of cool places I will never go again and a lot of low margin (profit) miles on my equipment.

    Spend your time looking around your local lanes, where you live, and I can almost guarantee you will find that 3-4 solid loads per week are all you need. I consider a week 5 days, not 7. If you are an O/O you eventually realize that weekends are meant for fishing, not working since the whole system shuts down over the weekends anyway and who wants to get stuck with an issue on Fri evening after everyone else but you has already gone home. Solution, be home yourself on as many Fridays as you can!

    Learn to sift through the BS and learn to say "good bye" to the schmucky low rate brokers and low ball rates. I guess they hear it in my voice now. I tell them my rate, wait through 2 seconds of silence, then ask "yes or no, I got to go?" usually they say "got to check if we can do that " and 60% of the time I get my rate. I don't ####-chat, I don't act weak or nervous or confused and I sure as he-ll don't act like I am uncertain AT ALL about the rate I just quoted. Over the phone 95% of brokers think I am the dispatcher, not a driver, and I let them think that. In fact I WORK TO MAKE THEM THINK THAT!!

    Your presence over the phone is critical to this process. Sound like a dispatcher and act like a dispatcher and WOW you get treated totally different!! I am an educated man and I handle myself over the phone just like a professional should, so they almost always assume I am anyone BUT the driver. Watch your grammar and language over the phone. Learn to talk more like a Yankee than a Southerner (no insult intended, but it is the way it is, sound like a huckleberry redneck Cajun spicy hillbilly and you will have problems. I was lucky to grow up in Kansas, so my vernacular (my accent if you will) helps me out a lot. I don’t have an accent. I don’t get judged or discriminated against just because of the way I talk. I don’t sound like the typical driver and I don’t negotiate like one. I sound like the guy that used to book you loads before you started trying to do it yourself, before you called yourself an O/O.



    I am not trying to insult my rural heritage country oriented brethren here, BUT, it is the unfortunate truth. If you are an O/O, your ability to communicate clearly and professionally OVER THE PHONE is critical whether you want to admit it or not. I was a little worried about making this post, so maybe some of you can chime in here and help me out. When you can manage to sound like a dispatcher over the phone, and not the typical driver out on the road, it will help you TREMENDOUSLY when looking for loads!! For some it will help a lot and for others, it will be a make it or break it deal. You need to think from several angles if you want to succeed as an O/O. We have to wear many hats and sound the part when we do. You have to have great skills in negotiation over the phone. To get the best rates, your phone skills need to be on par with a stock broker who is an expert at making and closing deals _ SOLEY OVER THE PHONE. Think about this for a minute. Working the boards means you HAVE to be very good over the phone and you need to be professional and you CANNOT act like a novice and you CANNOT let a broker rep screw you, play you, lie to you,scam you, manipulate you, or waste your time when chasing loads. BE PICKY AS HELL!! It will pay off. Don't be a push over. Have patience and hold your rate.



    I know some of you are thinking “what the he-ll does he mean hold your rate? What should my rate be, that’s what I need to know”. Well that is a whole new discussion here but I do touch on it briefly. I am assuming you already know how to establish what the spot rate is in different lanes or locations.If you don’t know how to do that, then you need to learn that as well as learning how to act over the telephone. This post is for the guys out there who I have personally OVERHEARD loosing deals over the phone because they wont take the time to learn the art of phone negotiations and deal closing and they are not willing to change their behavior and how they handle themselves over the phone. If you are not to this point yet, still keep this in mind: THE DAY YOU GET YOUR OWN AUTHORITY AND THINK IT IS GOING TO BE EASY TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND GET GOOD PAYING LOADS IS THE FIRST DAY YOU START GOING OUT OF BUSINESS! You will get screwed and it is NOT easy at all. You need to get this covered or you will just have another handicap which will contribute to your eventual failure.

    If you can't get your rate when you ask for it professionally and matter-of-factly, then move on. When I get slammed with calls I act just like a broker. I am pushy and bit rude and to the point. I tell them my rate and say "gotta go, I am getting slammed with calls on this truck right now". Funny how they start to act when they realize , or just THINK, everyone else is calling on the same truck that they want to book!! Knowing the rate for a lane is key. Don’t sit on the line and #### chat and BS...MOVE FAST! Brokers will respect this and see you as knowing what you are doing.


    You need to know your bottom dollar rate and you need to know your break even point, just in case you need to move to another lane or get home for some reason. I don't agree that you should "always give a round trip rate" . This is just not realistic unless you haul containers or some other such thing where that is the normal rate calculation. If you do this, you will bid too high most of the time. Sorry but I just don't agree with some of the previous posters on this point. Not a good move in my opinion. Yes in some lanes, like south FL (where I NEVER GO even though I live in NW FL) you have to PREDICT the return rate to calculate your inbound rate, but to just say "I need x per mile so I will just double that in case I cant find good rate out of the area" is a bad idea. If you are building your return rate into a bid, YOU SHOULD be looking for other places to go, especially if you are not really familiar with a crappy area like South FL.

    All I can say is if you don't take the time to investigate the outbound rates from ANY area BEFORE you go in, then you deserve to get what you get. If you F-up, then it is a learning experience. You are not going to be my hero by going into a bad area and then bragging about how you dead headed out because “you don’t haul cheap freight”. My question for those drivers is simple. Why did you go there in the first place? Didn't you know the current outbound rates? Want to see what rates are like in a certain area? Post your truck and pretend you are trying to book it. Figure it out BEFORE you go into a place you are not familiar with. If a broker gets pushy, BLOW THEM OFF. HANG UP!! Check the out bound rates where they want you to go. This is especially true when the rate seems way too good, because it probably is. You will learn WAY more working the boards and learning rates and lanes than you will hauling freight to break even or WORSE just to cover fuel to stay moving. Stationary time and layovers or even busted out days should be USED TO LEARN what is going on!!

    Don't let a broker tell you you got a special rate for this or that when you do land a great rate. They WILL do this later and it is BS. Don't fall for it. Especially the next week or two later. Six months or a year later, well duh, I don't need to explain everything here do I ?

    When you learn a lane, you will do well. Take the time to learn the lanes and rates. Little things effect the broker negotiations. Mondays are way to optimistic for the college kids, and their heads are fuzzy from the weekend anyway. When Thursday and Friday come around, start booking your loads for the end of the week and the next week if possible. The brokers all have weekly quotas to meet, and it sometimes makes them put up good rates for the next week to come if they are having a hard time in the current week. It almost ALWAYS makes them get desperate on THR and FRI. If you run the same lane for a while you will see how much more the same load goes for Friday vs. Monday. Again, REMEMBER the system basically shuts down over weekends. Keep this in mind. Call everything I just said BS, but once you have ACTUALLY done this, like I have, and not just ACTED like you have done it on some of the boards, you will come know these simple truths.

    FYI, I hardly ever book loads on Mondays in my lane anymore. I wait until Tue or Wed to start my week and I always try to be in Atlanta looking for a load on home Fridays. The loads I do book these days on Monday seem to be Tue or Wed runs. At first this pissed me off because I wanted things to work the way I thought I they should, but then I accepted the ebb and flow of the situation and now I just go with the flow. This has been working well for me now for some time.


    OK just wanted to take time to throw some things out there for those who might get something from it.
    Hope this helps. Comments welcome, but those wishing to argue or fight can move on as well.








     
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  3. flc120

    flc120 Heavy Load Member

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    very well written. IMO especially about behavior over the phone, it goes along way.
     
  4. Wooly Rhino

    Wooly Rhino Road Train Member

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    This information is good. Maybe too good. Hablas English hosea? Maybe you are some kind of spy for the FBI. I bet you got a commie flag hanging up on your garage.

    What he is telling everyone that trucking is a business. You have to run it like one. Brokers are not giving you your allowance. You earn the money by providing a service. An important service.

    Thanks again for some wonderful words of wisdom.
     
  5. jtanner10

    jtanner10 Bobtail Member

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    Gunz444, Great post! I am looking to become an O/O hauling flatbed loads (48x102). I am thinking about hauling for CRST Malone and run the rust belt. CRST will provide their own load board, but I will also have the option to use other load boards if I am not satisfied with CRST's loads. I would like to know load boards you recommend for securing the best freight rates since you are running under your own authority? Drivers I have spoken to who are leased on to CRST are claiming that they are averaging $2/mile to the truck after they pay 25% comm to CRST. Thanks JT
     
  6. Gunz444

    Gunz444 Light Load Member

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    I am an OOIDA member and i use Members Edge load board 90% of the time. I also use The Internet Truckstop or ITS load board, but not as much these days. It is kind of a back up. I really believe you could get by with just one if you wanted to cut costs. The members Edge board is basically the same ad the TransCoreDAT board, but with less features. It is definately worth the membership fees to gain access to the DAT load board as an OOIDA member.

    I run a dry van, so I really cannot comment on the rates for flat beds, but I will say this. Right now, I don't run ANYWHERE for less than $2 per loaded mile and most of the time it is more than that on average. I would assume that a flat will at LEAST get you that per mile, but I am not a flat guy. Maybe some others can comment, but be prepared for the "braggers" to show up and chime in.

    I decided to get my own authority vs going with Landstar or some similar arrangement. 25% sounds like a lot off the top to me. I have learned that you make money with the trailer, not the truck. Something to keep in mind if you are going to someday consider buying your own trailer. I assume for the 25% CRST provides the trailer.

    If yo uare allowed to use the boards to get some of your own loads, I would think that is a pretty good deal all around.
     
  7. gravdigr

    gravdigr Road Train Member

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    I am actually at orientation for CRST Malone right now. They take 25% of the linehaul and provide 100% of the fuel surcharge. If the load has no fuel surcharge they calculate one in. You pay $185/wk to rent a trailer. It is a bit steep but it also covers trailer plates, insurance, and all trailer maintenance. Trailers come with a bulkhead for your securement equipment and a tarp box.

    You can get loads from CRST agents and the CRST load board. You can also get loads from outside load boards/brokers but they have to be approved through your fleet manager. In this way CRST acts as a factoring company. You still get paid for the load on friday regardless when the broker pays. Because of this your fleet manager has to do a credit check and be confident that CRST will get paid for the load since they are taking the risk on it.
     
    arpta2 and farmtruck Thank this.
  8. jtanner10

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    Gunz444, Thanks again for the advice and insight. I will definitely keep everything that you have stated in mind when starting my business. Thanks again for your advice and I hope that you make a ton of dough! JT

    Gravdigr, Great to hear that you are in orientation on the CRST Malone account. Are you an O/O or L/P? I would like to correspond with you over the next few weeks while you get familar with the account. I am hearing a lot of good things from drivers who have leased onto this account, but I would like to hear you experiences to better understand the "in and outs" and growing pains of starting out on this account. The best of luck to you and stay safe! JT
     
  9. gravdigr

    gravdigr Road Train Member

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    I am trying the L/P. I researched a lot of L/P programs and this one was the best fit for me. No L/P program is perfect and a lot are flat out scams. This one had most of what I was looking for (no qualcom, no eobr, choose your own load, walk away lease, and flatbed freight).

    I will also say That I am noticing a trend that is making me think a lot of the L/P purchase failures are not entirely the fault of the L/P program but more the fault of a driver coming in unprepared having no clue what they are getting into having done no research on what is necessary to successfully run their own truck. Then when they fail they blame the company.

    The other guy in my orientation class doing L/P has been driving for less than a year, bounced between 4 different companies. Has no business plan, no idea how to track expenses. And he's telling me how he's going to run a 2k watt inverter without having to pay the company shop to install it using, if I'm lying I'm dying, jumper cables and duct tape.

    I will have a running thread here http://www.thetruckersreport.com/tr...st/184571-crst-malone-l-p-from-beginning.html documenting my experiences with the company.
     
  10. jtanner10

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    Gravdigr, I too have been researching the L/P program at CSRT and have run it by my uncles, who have all owned their own fleet of trucks since 1986. FYI, they were making $2 per "odometer on their truck" mile from 1986 - 2004 running their own accounts they had set up until they sold their businesses. They too have stated that if CRST stands behind what they are selling, then their L/P program seems pretty fair when you compare it to the other L/P programs that are being offered by other carriers.

    I agree with what you stated above, I think a lot of drivers who are having trouble on the CRST Malone account, are company drivers that are having issues adjusting to becoming O/O or L/P contractors, and are use to having someone else plan their loads. I could be wrong, but from what I have been reading on other threads this seems to be the trend from guys who have had some trouble adjusting to the account and then became successful once they figure out the system. The other issue I am reading is that some guys come into the account with an idea of where they want to run and are not paying attention to where the best freight lanes are located for the $2/mile loads.

    Just like Gunz444 stated above, I feel you have to conduct yourself in a professional manner and learn how to work that phone and run this truck like a real business with the goal of making money and not just half **** it like your colleague with the jumper cables! I am from Appalacia and the first thing my hillbilly butt learned was to quickly understand and identify the issues that I can control and find the people who can help me on the other issues that I can't.

    I have taken a break from driving for 8 years to persue other opportunities, but I am getting that itch to jump back into it and see if I can create and grow a business that can generate a second income and possibly create my own fleet. As a company driver from 2002 -2004, I never sat in truck stops to BS and ran my butt off "leagally" on a dedicated account to net myself $1000 - $1200 a week. Even though I had a dispatcher, I still had to work with him to plan my loads regarding miles, stops, and where I wanted to run to make sure I secured enough miles and stops to make my weekly paycheck so I could enjoy that steak dinner on the weekend. I always believe that people who have good time management skills will be able to do 10 times better than people without them. Things may not work out the way you want them too because of unforseeable factors, but atleast you are giving yourself a chance at success.

    I think you have a very positive attitude and I will definitely be following your thread. I wish you the best and hope that you succeed and will be reading about your experiences. Good Luck! JT
     
  11. popcorn169

    popcorn169 Road Train Member

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    Gunz444 I am in the process of purchasing a truck and next week I will be in orientation for Landstar. I made this decision to learn some of the ins and outs of picking loads off the load board and certain lane pay. I plan on purchasing a trailer in the next year so I may pursue my own autority. Thank you for the post it is well written.


    Gravdigr Keepme posted on how thiings are going on working your own board. pm me if you wish I might need some advice from a different point of view even though you will be flat I am going to van.
     
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