08 Prostar Electrical problems again!

Discussion in 'International Forum' started by Ed G, Jun 24, 2014.

  1. Ed G

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    I was coming back from Reno a week ago last Saturday, and the ABS, Triangle, Trac Control, Trailer ABS lights all came on, then the buzzer went off, and all the gauges zero'ed out, including speedo and tach. Display said ABS Module, then changed to Electrical fault, the went to warn engine. After a couple seconds everything came back on like nothing was wrong. It did this off and on all the way to Boise. Went to IH dealer, they plugged in the computer, and the tech looked at all in inactive codes, as all the lights were out. He said he thought it was the ABS module, but wasn't 100% sure, and wanted me t bring it back on Monday. I can back Monday morning, dropped off the truck and went with my wife. Dealer called me late in the afternoon, saying that the ECM was bad, according to Cummins, some computer program from Cummins anyway. So they replaced the ECM, and I picked the truck up Tuesday afternoon. I didn't even get out of the lot, and it did it again, exact same thing. They pulled it back into the shop, and the tech found a lose ground stud on the starter, or so they say. Fixed that then I drove it for about 30 miles with no lights or buzzers. I went to where I park, came back Thursday to go load, and it did the same thing again, so back to the shop. That is where it still is. The tech that is working on it now, still hasn't found the problem. He did find a corroded terminal in a connector on the harness that runs around the back of the engine, but that is all he has found. Anyone have this same problem?, and what was the fix for it? In November, they replaced the body controller, and in Feb., the right front ABS sensor wire came lose and got rubbed on the wheel until it was almost apart. So far, I've lost 4 loads going outbound and 4 loads coming back. I need to have my truck back, as it is set up for what I haul, and a rental just won't do what I need. Any one have ideas?
     
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  3. mitrucker

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    Ignition switch maybe? When they start going bad on passenger vehicles one if the signs is the zeroing out of the gauges.
     
  4. Heavyd

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    Those are all symptoms of the dash cluster loosing the datalink from the ABS, ECM and body controller. Anytime there is a communication fault between these devices they will each log a code for 1939 datalink issues. The tech should be able to use this information to help with diagnostics. 99% of the time, there is a wiring problem. Short, loose connection, corrosion... that sort of thing. The datalink is rather extensive as it runs outside, inside and back outside again all over the truck and problems can be hard to find. Modules can and do go bad, but that is very rare. The ABS and engine ECMs are actually pretty tough! I would only replace one as a last resort. One thing you can do is pull the ABS breakers in the fuse panel in front of the passenger seat in F8-B and F8-D. Most trucks they are both 30 amp. This will completely disable the ABS. The ABS module will not power up and will not communicate over the datalink. This will cause the ABS/TRAC and engine Triangle warnings lights to come on and "ABS Module" message in the LCD display. What you are testing is if the ABS module is causing this problem. Once the ABS is taken out of the equation, if the problem persists, you know the ABS module is good. If you have a satellite, it will also be tied into the 1939 datalink. Those are known to cause issues as well. If you can, try to disable it temporarily for testing too. If you have driver information display, this is also on the datalink and is also another possible cause of the problem. There will also be breakers for it you can pull to also eliminate it for testing. If you have a compass, this also communicates on the datalink and you also pull that breaker, (labeled under compass or vehicle navigation, can't remember). Other than that, you will need to find a tech that is good at datalink diagnostics. Not all techs can wrap their head around it and that is how parts get thrown at the problem!
     
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  5. Ed G

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    Thanks for the tips. I'll pass them along in the morning. Your a great asset to this forum! Thanks again. EdG
     
  6. Ed G

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    I talked to the service manager this morning, and relayed all the info from Heavyd to him. They seem to think they have found the problem. The tech thinks, 99% certain, that the problem is in the Vorad system. The sensor on the underside of the front bumper, which according to him is hooked to the datalink as well. He did something to disable it, and is out test driving it now. If that is truely the problem, I told the service manager to have him completely remove it from the programming, if possible anyway. If not, I'll have to spend more money on the new sensor. Anyone have any thoughts if that will solve the problem?
     
  7. Heavyd

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    Yes, that is also tapped into the datalink. That is one of the more rarer options that I don't see too much.
     
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    I told them to remove the program or whatever it is from the computer, they are saying the forward looking unit is bad, and it's around 1k for the unit. I don't get a discount on my insurance for having the Vorad system, so I'm not going to spend the money on repairing it. Thanks again for your insight, this electronic stuff is a pain, but having someone with your knowledge around to give us advise is very helpful. Ed G
     
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  11. S M D

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    I know this is unrelated but kind of same ballpark.

    But my bmw had the same issue where every light turned on speedo didnt work and it was the abs module. When the abs module goes out everything starts flashing and stop functioning
     
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