2007 & 2009 KW 900's

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  1. Aggravated Owner

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    Soon, I'm gonna be in the market for newer trucks, and I'm sure once I'm ready, I'll have a ton of questions regarding models, engines, gears and everything else that comes with it. However, on truck paper there seems to be a ton of 2007-2009 900's for sale. Engines range from the ISX C-15's to the Cummins. Some have 400 to 600k miles and others are over a million plus with O/H's done.

    I was surprised to see so many available. I get these may have been leased, fleet or owned trucks that have simply gotten to old to maintain, but was there any known issues with 2007-2009 models that caused people to shed these trucks? Was the intro into the DPF arena causing issues with these year trucks?

    I'm sure I am reading to much into this, but I was just curious.

    Thank you all out there who keep American moving.
     
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  3. Cat sdp

    Cat sdp . .

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    07 trucks do not have dpfs make sure it doesn't. Those trucks would be most desirable. The 08s and 09s are all crap. And should be avoided at all costs........


    And yes emissions are the main problem.
     
  4. boneebone

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    The most desirable trucks are Pre-Egr Trucks, before 2003, even though the later DEF Model Year trucks have less problems, they still have problems and the Engines don't last, and Replacement Emission Parts and Turbos are pricey.
     
  5. Cat sdp

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    'The question was 07s 08s and 09s and the sevens are most desirable. Out of that pile of crap....
     
  6. Aggravated Owner

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    But, as far as the over all years, there were no known issues with engines etc or recall problems? There just seems to be a rather large number of them that haven't been sold, (have seen a number of the same units for sale over a year, on Truckpaper....) and thought there was a real reason as to why.


    I love the 900's. But, the curiosity was killing me as to why there are so many units that aren't being sold, (other than the obvious reason that there just isn't much of a strong market for them right now.)
     
  7. rollin coal

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    08-10 are the lemon years. Buy one of these and it will be to your sorrow.
     
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    Thanks RC, and the rest.

    What made these lemons?
     
  9. rollin coal

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    It was the years of EGR (exhaust gas recirculation) + DPF (diesel particulate filter). EGR had been on motors since '03 and up to '07 in order to reduce emissions. They hurt fuel economy and are/were a pain but can be blocked off removed or even maintained more or less and the engines are not real bad. Still preferable to have a pre-emissions enigine older than a 2003 because they didn't have EGR and until recently were the zenith of diesel engine efficiency.

    The DPF is a filter on the exhaust system. Basically a big muffler that catches soot from the exhaust. It burns this soot off at high temperatures and also utilizes a type of injector that squirts diesel fuel into it to help burn off the soot. These are trouble prone and cause all sorts of problems. Basically you cannot idle these DPF trucks for any extended period of time as it clogs up the DPF and causes check lights, derates, and all sorts of expensive problems. This system was basically beta tested on unsuspecting trucking companies during these years due to EPA mandates. Really wasn't the manufacturers fault they did the best they could in the time frame they had. But these trucks have broken more bank accounts than you could ever imagine. Of course the big companies felt a little pain but they put a lot of small operations out of business due to excessive downtime and expensive repair bills.

    The 2011 and newer trucks have EGR + DPF + SCR. Can't remember what SCR stands for but it's basically aftertreatment system of the exhaust where urea is injected into the gases to reduce NOX emissions. These trucks were somewhat more reliable than the EGR + DPF trucks and are improving every year. But still trouble prone and if you want to have check codes let one of the idle for an extended period and you will get them.

    So from 2008 into the present if you run over the road an APU is mandatory because you cannot idle those trucks. They are full of expensive treatment systems and components that will cost you dearly when they go into the shop if you're not going to do the work yourself. People have been warned here time and time again to not buy trucks from 2008-2010 range but they do and learn the hard way how big of a mistake it is. Really the dealers can't give these years away. The only people buying them are getting suckered in on what appears to be a decent price only to realize later after the $10,000 shop bills what a huge mistake they made.

    There have been all sorts of lawsuits stuff all over the internet about this. Do not buy one of these trucks. If you must have a W900 buy a 2002 or older unti. Or if you are wealthy go and have a brand new glider W900 put together with a reman pre-emissions engine. But save yourself some trouble with any 2008-2010 models they can't give those trucks away is why you see so many. The former owners are all broke or just happy to be rid of them.
     
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  10. Aggravated Owner

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    Wow, that's incredible.

    I'm not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination, but don't we all wish we had a slice of that money pie. Great info, RC. I assume the same applies to the T series of KW's as well?

    I'm not hell bent on KW 900's. I'm just doing some discovery on several different makes and models. I have some time before I make a decision. But, I DO love the 900's. As the days go on, I'll be posting the specs of some trucks that I'm looking at in the proper truck (brand), forums and asking for some input. The info provided in these forums is a absolute necessity. Love the honesty and input from those of you out there that have been there and done that and are willing to help others from making the same mistakes others have made.
    I love this forum for the vast knowledge and help it provides for the experts and non-experts, alike.
     
  11. Cat sdp

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    All models have the same problems...
     
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