HOS question

http://www.ddlsoftware.com/Examplelogs/example12.htm

I got this from YOUR links, if you are beyond your 70 hours and you can not do a reset until you are at 70 hours or less. Drivers you can do what ever you want and that is fine. I' not going to respond any more because it is getting useless, besides it makes no sense going back and forth Believe what you want and I will do the same.

 

DDL is NOT the FMCSA, nor is the information they are providing legally enforceable. The ONLY enforceable regulations are those published in the federal register...which what you are claiming simply is not there. For somebody who claims to teach compliance, you haven't a clue. Read the regulations...NOT a 10+ year old 3rd party publication. If I hired you and this was the crap you were teaching, I'd demand my money back. You DON'T know what you SHOULD know, and you're too arrogant to admit that to yourself.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but the facts are the facts and the regulations are what they are...and they just aren't what you think they are.

 

Stunning ignorance of the facts.

The title of the page you linked to is "USA 2004 Hour of Service Example Logs." The rules have changed many, many times since then. As I previously posted as noted on the same website, they removed that rule from their software starting with version 3.3.0.0 on 08/28/2005.

The only reason that I went to DDL was because that is what showed up when searching the text string. Note that the current rules have no mention of the requirement to have hours available before starting a 34 hour reset. None. Clearly that rule is gone. Kaput. Vanished into the ether.
Or did you set your clocks back to 2004 this weekend instead of forward one hour?

 

FOUND IT!

This link takes you to the PDF of the Federal Register for August 25, 2005. Scroll down to page 50026. Near the end of the first column starts, "Limits on the Use of the 34-Hour Restart Period"
50026 Federal Register / Vol. 70, No. 164 / Thursday, August 25, 2005 / Rules and Regulations

After reviewing the comments and considering all enforcement remedies available to Federal and State regulatory agencies, FMCSA has decided that if a driver has exceeded the 60/70-hour rule, the driver does not have to come into compliance with the 60/70-rule before utilizing the 34-hour recovery period.
- https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2005/08/25/05-16498/hours-of-service-of-drivers#p-606

[...]

In this rulemaking FMCSA has decided the driver should be placed OOS for the minimum amount of time necessary to bring the driver into compliance with the provisions of § 395.3(b), or be allowed to take a 34-hour recovery period, whichever is less. As explained earlier in this preamble, a 34-hour recovery period will allow a driver ample opportunity to obtain sufficient rest, even if the driver has exceeded the 60 or 70 hour limits.
- https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2005/08/25/05-16498/hours-of-service-of-drivers#p-608



Somebody owes me a doughnut.

 

THANK YOU Not4hire, I have not had time to do the research, but knew the time line, even pointed it out early on in this thread. Town Drunk, you keep saying go to your safety director or a DOT officer, well I am the safety director for my group of companies, as well as a contract safety director for many other companies, teach this stuff all the time, work as a safety and compliance consultant, and from 2009 thru 2013 was on the New Mexico Safety Management Council of the New Mexico Trucking Association where we met monthly with the Western region FMCSA director. Sorry if you are stuck following out dated information, but please, as you say, STOP disseminating this incorrect information. We all have shown you where it is not in the regulations any more. I feel sorry for any of your students, if you in fact actually teach this any of this.

 

Ok, I stand corrected, and can set it straight for further classes that I teach.

 

Lol, after all that I was afraid what you'd say next. Glad we got that cleared up.

 

Wanted to know if someone can clear this logbook question up for me.......

How do you log a pick-up and a fuel stop in the same city?
I had a pick up at company X (don't remember name of company) and literally drove across the street to take fuel. It took me under 30 minutes from time of pick up, get bol, go across the street, take fuel and be on my way.
I logged it all on line 4. (pu/fuel in remarks section) Had this argument with my "safety officer".

I was told to log it as 15 minutes on-duty for pick-up, driving for 15 minutes, and another 15 minutes on-duty for the fuel.
Please help clarify.

 

Your way is correct.

Also note, you are not required by FMCSRs to state the activity in remarks (i.e., p/u, fuel, pti, etc.), only the location. Your company may require more information though.

Question 6: How should multiple short stops in a town or city be recorded on a record of duty status?

Guidance: All stops made in any one city, town, village or municipality may be computed as one. In such cases the sum of all stops should be shown on a continuous line as on-duty (not driving).The aggregate driving time between such stops should be entered on the record of duty status immediately following the on-duty (not driving) entry. The name of the city, town, village, or municipality, followed by the State abbreviation where all the stops took place, must appear in the “remarks” section of the record of duty status.


http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/section/395.8?guidance​