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    Re: school not PTDI certified

    This PDTI certification is a real stinker. I called recruiters at Crete out of interest of going there, and asked them about schools they accept students from.
    No matter what I told this recruiter about the school I most wanted to attend, and for good reasons, all they could say was, "it has to be PTDI certified." (Add high pitched nasal quality to the voice for proper emphasis)



    I was so irked, I said thank you and hung up the phone. Okay, that was rude, but what is up with a person or company who will not even attempt to listen to reason?

    The school is Salt Lake Community College, check it out if you want to research it yourself. One of the instructors there, when I asked him why they did not have the PTDI cert. told me that the cost to them was somewhat prohibitive, and that it just was not neccesary for them to have. I have to agree with him on this point. This school is accredited by the Northwest Commision on Colleges and Universties. It doesn't get much better than that. The instructor also informed me that they actually exceeded PDTI standards, and that some well respected companies sent their employees there for training including ABF and FedEx.

    So what gives? I know standards of performance are a good thing, but I think SLCC has these standards set in place, if not by PDTI.

    I wonder if I could call Crete back and reason with SOMEONE there?

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    USA Re: school not PTDI certified

    Greetings!
    I just finished looking at CRETE and PTDI. I will be surprised if CRETE the "no shortcuts" company will waiver much. Utah and California use a state standard (along with about twenty three other states). Not all of them are as stringent as PTDI and some of them more. Good luck though. You will have to find PTDI through your search engine they won't let me paste the link here. There are no PTDI schools in Utah. Arizona has two schools one of which is SWIFT driving academy. You can look further in these pages to see what a record that company has. Go figure?
    Bill
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    Re: school not PTDI certified

    Evidently PTDI isn't bringing in enough money to keep their own website updated. Hah.

    There are two PTDI certified courses here in Utah, one from Sage and the other Roadmaster.

    I'm so tired of this I just want to get it overwith. I'll probably do Roadmaster. They put you through 160 hour course in 3 weeks.

    I really just want to get out there and start driving. My budget is really short anyway. I don't have a lot of time to devote to the community college.

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    Some of us get it, sure

    Quote Originally Posted by TurboTrucker View Post
    PTDI isn't a standard that everyone uses. And I never meant to imply that it was.

    What PTDI does do, is evaluates a school's program to see if it meets their standards, and it's totally on a voluntary basis. Schools have to apply for their endorsement.

    The reason why I single them out as being a worthy institution that does endorse schools for their programs and training, is because it is the LEAST corrupt of the educational endorsement institutions out there.

    All of your endorsers have ties to big money in Washington. They all receive grants or money that is earmarked for retraining displaced workers. There are many triangles of schools and the carriers out there that are directly tied to these institutions, for the sole purpose of siphoning much of this money into their bank accounts as they can get. It's exactly why we see so many companies that are so horrible to work for, and who have outstanding turnover, still thrive in spite of what should be putting them out of business. There is no standard set by the Government for how these schools must operate, and it is largely left to the states to keep them in line. As we read from time to time, a school every now and then will be busted for skirting training, or abusing third party CDL testing rules, and the jig is up. It's corporate welfare at it's finest.

    Then on top of that, training carriers will cook the books to basically demonstrate that what the Government pays them does not nearly cover all the costs of training drivers, so they then turn and soak newbies for more money, or at least the evidence of a contract that shows they lost money due to defaults on those contracts. A name on a piece of paper is worth several thousand dollars to them. Why should they care if the driver stays or goes? They're raking in more by churning people in and out of their doors, all under the guise of training drivers for a new career.

    Now, there are exceptions to the above, both in terms of companies and schools. The point is, that it's very hard to distinguish who's really bad, and who's using legal manuevers to shore up a bottom line to survive. PDTI actually does work to evaluate a school, and at leasts attempts to set minimum standards for CDL training. So, at least they are working some, for those handouts. As for the rest, most all of them are nothing but leaches, who do little but collect checks, and dole out funds to carriers that will play along with them in their schemes to defraud the taxpayers out of their hard earned money.
    Yes, some of us get it. The companies do get government mulla for each newbie they hire on. This means turnover is something companies want and strive for.

    'Nuff said.

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