Advice on purchasing a truck regarding horse power

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  1. koln

    koln Bobtail Member

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    Hi everyone.

    I apologize if this is in the wrong form, I was looking around and wasnt really sure where to put it.

    I am from Australia and looking to purchase a new truck for the job that I will be doing soon. I have few options but my question is regarding horse power because I am getting some mixed advice. Its usually by people who are trying to push they product ie sales man, and they are telling me either I cant do it or some say I can.

    So, I need a rigid truck which is going to be 8x4. I will be buying either DAF CF85 460HP or ISUZU FJX2000 350HP. Isuzu is demo from a dealer and DAF is new truck which is much more expensive. This is where the problem is.

    Isuzu can take 18 tonne (39600 pounds) and DAF can take around 13 tonne (28600 pounds) BUT I also need to pull a trailer and trailer will be able to carry another 18 tonne.

    That leaves me with Isuzu carrying around 36 tonne (79300 pounds) with 350HP and DAF 31 tonne (68300 pounds) with 460HP. Obviously DAF would be better but I wont be carrying that much weight often and it will all be highway work.

    Price is whats keeping me from purchasing DAF but also Isuzu is ready to go because body is already on the truck. If anyone has any advice, please share

    Thank you for your help :)
     
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  3. 201

    201 Road Train Member

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    Hi koln, it's been my experience, more is better. If I was to buy another truck, which I'll never do, but I wouldn't get anything less than 500hp. I've driven lots of underpowered trucks in my life, and it's just a pain. The fuel mileage isn't really that much different, and you have the power when you need it. Go with the bigger motor, you'll be glad you did, trust me.:smt023
     
  4. koln

    koln Bobtail Member

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    I feel that you are right, its this price difference that is playing with my mind. There is around $57000 (AUS) saving if I go with Isuzu and there is also advantage that it can carry more without the trailer. Question is, will 350HP be enough to pull all that weight?
     
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    Well, of course it will pull it, years ago, the biggest motors we had were 350's and the standard of the industry was 290 or 300. I'm not sure of the type of terrain you have in Australia,, but in the states, we have some pretty big hills, and even a 350 would be struggling and getting hot, the kiss of death, I feel, for a motor. I drove a Freightliner once with a 500 hp Detroit, and that thing rolled down and up with 80K and maybe dropped 1 gear on the hills, and it had like 830K miles on it, and was never opened up, and still got high 6's or low 7's for mpg. I'd never drive a truck with a small motor again.
     
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  6. daf105paccar

    daf105paccar Road Train Member

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    So the Isuzu is a quad and the Daf is a twinscrew?
    If they are both 8x4's why have the Daf so much less payload?(doesn't add up in my mind)
    Carbon tax?Do they both pay the same?(i suspect the Isuzu is a Euro 3 ???)
    The Daf is a Euro 5(def or ad blue engine)?
    How close do you live to any mountains?
    The loadweights you mention put you gross with either over 45 metric tons.............correct?
    I suspect ,fully loaded ,Daf+trailer 47t and Isuzu+trailer 50 ???
    At those weights the Isuzu is to light.
    It can pull it but you will be pounding into the ground from day 1.
    Fueleconomy will be low.
    IF you NEVER were to pull a trailer with the Isuzu,i would say buy it but not with a trailer.
    The Daf will have no problem pulling over 44T.(look at my ID and you will know why i can say that):biggrin_25525:
     
  7. koln

    koln Bobtail Member

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    Terrain that I will be pulling this trailer will be all mostly flat, with two small hills. It wont be on daily basis as well, twice or three times a week and not always full capacity.

    If the job was everyday with that kinda weight and it had many hills than I would be looking at DAF only but I am leaning with Isuzu because its cheaper by quite a bit.
     
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    daf105paccar Road Train Member

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    Are the weights i have posted correct?
    And how about those other questions i asked?:biggrin_255:
     
  9. koln

    koln Bobtail Member

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    Fully loaded looks like this:
    DAF is 13 tonne on truck + 18 tonne on trailer = 31 tonne
    Isuzu is 18 tonne on truck + 18 tonne on trailer = 36 tonne
    Those are all net weights.

    I am just looking at Isuzu website, it has GCM of 42500kg so it means that it can not pull a trailer because Truck + Trailer with Isuzu is 55000kg.
     
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    koln Bobtail Member

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    DAF has lower payload because of heavier engine, but it also doesnt make sense that is has almost 5 tonne lower pay load.
     
  11. daf105paccar

    daf105paccar Road Train Member

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    Either the info from Isuzu is wrong is the sense that they exgagerated their payload or Daf's is to low.
    But somewhere there is a error.
     
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