Big company training and big scams associated with them !!!

cactusjack · Oct 23, 2009

Swift Transportation Company, Inc. - Phoenix, Az. I moved this subject from the favorite trucking company section to this one, which is much more appropriate.

Swift has amassed a tremendous amount of discussion over the years, and I thought that it might be a good idea to link to some of the more pointed discussions and other information that is out there for public viewing. The LAST link in this list is the one that has digested the safety record in concise and easy to understand terms and explains the ISS-2 system of determining the need for inspections at scale locations for unsafe carriers. If you read nothing else, please see this link for sure if you are even considering Swift as a place to work for.

http://www.hagens-berman.com/swift_t...tation_lawsuit

http://www.aboutmyjob.com/main.php3?...cle&artid=1464

http://fleetowner.com/news/fleet_fre...ransportation/

http://www.teamster.org/04news/nr_041013_1.htm

http://www.trucksafety.org/default.asp?contentID=576

http://www.eeoc.gov/press/12-7-00-b.html

http://www.ooida.com/legal_action/Sw...ift_index.html

http://www.4lawschool.com/civil/pavon.shtml

http://www.ooida.com/legal_action/Sw...rPrelimInj.PDF

This are merely the high points. Who in their right mind would work for a company that has a track record like this? Oh...sure...some of what is read can be explained as vengeful people with spite on their mind. You continuously hear phrases like "all trucking companies treat drivers badly". If this was true, then why is Swift the number one topic and most often discussed on the boards that are geared toward the discussion of the trucking industry? Why do you rarely read anything of a negative nature on so many other companies?

When you hear one bad thing, it's easy to overlook it. When you read repeated bad testimonials, it's a little harder to ignore.

I have a collection of testimonials that have been related to me under more private circumstances, that paint an even more sordid picture of Swift Transporation, but I do not have permission from most of these people to publish their remarks in a public forum, so I can only refer to them in general terms.

Swift is in dire need of a wake-up call, and until they demonstrate that they desire to clean up their act, and begin to treat people like humans, rather than economic slaves, then they deserve to go down in flames, and I wouldn't offer so much as to urinate on their ashes.

Don't be lured into giving them any benefit of the doubt, because there is too much out there in the form of information that should override any inclination to even pick up the phone in response to their slick advertisements and deceptive ways of doing business.

Don't get me wrong. Swift is hardly the only pile of dung that needs to be swept off the sidewalk. They just happen to be the biggest and smell the worst at the moment.

Unions once had their place in America, and the powers that be will not allow the formation of groups of people that have the power to hold America hostage again. So be it. This is why the average American must be their own delegate, and refuse to be victimized by employers, regardless of what occupation they work in. They must be smarter and take the time to do their own form of background checks on whom they consider working for. It's the easiest way to head of a disaster BEFORE it becomes one.
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THERE IS MANY REASONS THAT I WOULD NEVER CONSIDER SWIFT IMO.....
THEY HAVE HAD AN LOT OF DRIVERS GET THEIR CDL'S TAKEN AWAY FOR ILLEGAL PRACTICES IN THEIR TRAINEE PROGRAM MANY YEARS AFTER THEY ILLEGALLY GOT THEIR CDL'S HANDED TO THEM THRU SWIFT.... AND THIS INFORMATION IS WELL DOCUMENTED IN OTHER SITES AS WELL AS THE TRUCKERS REPORT ....
IMO.... STAY AWAY

cactusjack · Oct 23, 2009

Crete isn't the one. Just heard that Crete is making all drivers do a 1/2 hr. PTI first thing each day. Also, they require a 1/2 hr. for fueling, 1/2 hr. for loading, 1/2 hr. for unloading, 1/2 hr. for each stop, 1/2 hr. for each weigh station you go through. Figure it out. That will cut your bottom line now, won't it?
I worked for Crete for 8 months and I wouldn't recommend them for anything. They have some rude dispatchers that don't have a clue on what is going on out on the road. The trucks are worn out and they get upset when you keep complaining about them especially when you can't get them fixed at the terminals because they are incompetent at most of them. (There are some good one's but they are far and few in-between.)
They are a "forced dispatch" company no matter what they say. The first time I was out I was out for 8 weeks, the second time out was almost 7 weeks. When I demanded that I get home they weren't happy about it. You have to really watch them on detention pay and breakdown pay. Opt-Idle is a real pain in the butt. Apparently, they want you to freeze in the winter and cook in the summer. You sit for days at a time in the truck waiting for a load and then they complain about opt-idle time. They don't have to sit in that truck waiting for a load and suffer. Ask drivers what kind of miles that they are getting now. I realize that it is slow but offering 200-300 miles a load when you are suppose to be national gets a little old. How many drivers were sitting down in Wilmer, Texas a while back. How about out on the east coast.
They are trying to screw me on my DAC report now and I will fight them and post everything I can about them to warn others just what they are really like. Sure, I believe that when the original owner ran the company it was a good company but now? He has turned it into a joke and it shows on how this company has gone, and is going, down hill fast. It would be interesting to see the turn-over rate over the last 2 years.
We have friends who are still driving for Crete and they are so upset about how things are being done and people that they know that have been terminated that they are seriously thinking of quitting and retiring. He told me that he can't believe what has happened to the company in the 17 yrs that he has been with them.
I'll leave you with these thoughts and hope that you do check it out before you get tied up with them. If you are presently with them, watch you butt. Times are tuff and they will terminate you in a heart beat.

Rabbit Tracks
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Yeah the horror stories keep coming for crete/ hunt transportation.....
Yes the two are the same company......
There is so much negative to be listed but this basically sums it all up......
management will not listen and nor do they care !

cactusjack · Oct 23, 2009

My Time At Steven's-Advice: RUN!!!!! Where to begin with the fun and adventures I had with Steven's???? It's hard to put into words, but here goes....

I answered a classified ad in our local newspaper for CDL drivers. The ad offered free, paid training and guaranteed placement with Steven's Transport provided you were able to complete the training program. I called the 1-800 number, and spoke VERY briefly with a Steven's Transport recruiter, who referred me to a local 'training center'.

I called the training center, and was told that yes, Steven's would sponsor students for training and would hire them after the completion of training. The training center representative told me that the training would be free, provided the employee did not quit Steven's before one year of service. They touted the fact that the company had not had a layoff in 28 years.

I was told that the training center would provide housing, at a cost of $75.00 for the duration of the training, and that we would also have to pay for our DOT physicals and drug screen, and our CDL permits and licenses. Finally, we were told that we would not recieve any pay for the three and a half weeks we were in training, but that we would begin to be paid immediately after our arrival in Dallas, Texas for orientation. We were also told that Steven's would provide THREE (3) meals per day on our arrival.

We were told that we would be paid $350.00 a week while in training, ######, but at least we'd be getting something. At the end of the paid orientation and the over-the-road training, we'd be getting 27 cents per mile-below industry average, but hey, you have to start somewhere, right? Well, read this all the way through, and you'll see that your 27 cents per mile gets eaten up pretty ####### quickly with all the hidden fees, fines, and other Stevens ########.

Since I had always wanted to try my hand at truck driving, and was in desperate need of a job, I signed up, and began the classroom portion of the training with several other students. The first two days were 'free', that is, we were not asked to make any commitment to the company. We had several pep talks from the owner of the school, who told us how fan-#######-tastic our new 'career' was going to be, complete with promises of around $40,000 yearly income for 'hard workers'.

Other than the company sponsored pep talk, the classroom portion of the training involved taking practice tests for our CDL exams and filling out background questionaires for Steven's. Additionally, we took a DOT physical-at our own expense. After completing the questionaires and DOT physical, we were told that we were hired, and ready to begin training.

On day 3, the scam began. We were asked to sign Steven's Transport tuition agreements. We were instructed to cross out all of the repayment details, and told that this would not be necessary because, if we did not quit before our one year mark, we would owe nothing. Note, nothing was said AT ALL about being fired or laid off.

The total cost of the three and one half week training course was to be $5,999.00, at a 'reasonable' interest rate of 19%. Yes, that's right, campers-19%. We were also told that if we wanted to pay up front, the cost was $3000. Why the 50% increase? In short, to make certain that, no matter how illegal or unethical the employer's demands, that we would be scared to death to quit.

We asked for copies of the signed loan agreements, only to be told that we would get them after arriving in Dallas. The owner of the training center himself refused to provide these contracts, and implied that we would be seen as 'rocking the boat' as brand-new employees if we continued to complain.

In retrospect, I should have bailed at this point, but Steven's KNOWS they're recruiting desperate people who need a job, and believe me, they prey on that. It should be noted that refusing to provide copies of a signed loan contract is ILLEGAL under Federal law, but it would soon become obvious that breaking the law means little, if anything, to this outfit.

Now on to the fantastic 'training center'. In the interest of fairness, about half of the staff REALLY seemed to take their jobs seriously. They showed up for work on time, provided instruction that was geared toward the individual student, and took extra time with the folks who struggled. They were a little rough around the edges and didn't really have time for folks who didn't want to listen, but who can blame them? Note, I said that this describes half of the staff.

The other half of the staff were, well, worthless. They spent about one hour of their day instructing, and the other ten hours fixing their cars, packing for hunting trips, and generally sitting on ###. Also, they were regularly late or absent, which made the other staff members divide their time between twice as many students, which was unfair to the students and to the instructors. For $5,999, I expected more. A LOT more. Thanks to the two fellas that actually came to work and (gasp) worked, we all passed our CDL practical and written exams.

We went on to complete our training course, but as we did so, several of the students were eliminated for issues they had disclosed initially on their background questionaires. This was a bit puzzling, since we were told that we were hired already, but we just kept plugging along. We recieved bus tickets to the Steven's Transport headquarters, in Dallas, Texas, for orientation. Our last bit of instruction from the director of the training center was, 'you've all already been hired, don't go down there and 'unhire' yourselves'.

On arrival in Dallas, phase two of the scam began. We all got rooms at the Howard Johnson's in Mesquite, a crack-riddled ghetto suburb of Dallas. Remember the meals that Steven's promised? Well, we found out that the weekend before orientation didn't count, so many of the new employees went hungry since they didn't have any money left after paying for DOT physicals, housing at the school, CDL permits and licenses, and all the other costs of employment with Steven's.

We all met up for the trip to scam central, AKA Steven's Training Center, the next morning-at 5 AM. Remember the breakfast that we were promised? Yeah, that begins at 6:00 AM. No meals, again, and some of the fellas were looking a little hungry and frustrated.

After arriving at Steven's, we started orientation. We were told that there would be no pay for the orientation. That's right, on top of the three and a half weeks of no pay and the hundreds of dollars shelled out to the training center, we would not be paid for the NEXT 4 days. Ouch.

For the next 4 fifteen hour days. That's right, campers, 15 hour days. For free. In their defense, Steven's DID start feeding us-slop. Absolutely indigestable trash. Normally, I wouldn't complain about a free meal, but these weren't free-they were our compensation for 15 hours of work, and not worth it.

While at the orientation program, we took ANOTHER physical-and this one washed about half of the class for various PREDISCLOSED problems. These folks were told that they were still on the hook for the six thousand dollar tuition, even though Steven's had disqualified them for issues they were aware of prior to their arrival.

The orientation consisted of 50-60% classroom training, and 40-50% track time. We used the Steven's Transport facility 'on the hill', directly behind the training center. We did mostly the same things with the trucks that we had been doing at the CDL school on the hill, and recieved grades for each of the skills.

We also took a road test. A complete waste of ####### time. I was in the same truck with a fella from Guatemala who did not speak or understand English (hmmmm....isn't that against the law?), and who could not find any of the gears with a road map, a complete schematic directly from Kenworth, and the aid of the sweet baby Jesus. I #### you not, we coasted for most of the road test with this guy driving, and at the end, he passed. But then, we all passed.

During the classroom portion of the orientation, we were asked to sign mandatory, binding arbitration agreements-almost like Steven's is afraid they'll be sued or something. We were also introduced to the Steven's Transport workman's compensation program. It was a short class-they have opted out of workman's comp, so if you're injured, no matter where in the country you're from, you get to do your rehab at the Howard Johnson's, or you don't get any workman's comp.

I'm not kidding, and I couldn't make this up-that's the deal. You will see their doctors, in Dallas, or you will be cordially invited to go #### yourself. Are you from Vermont? Tough ######. You're rehabbing in Dallas. From Boston? Hope your rehab doesn't take too long, and I hope you like Dallas. By the way, they're not going to make ANY arrangements to board or transport your family, either-so don't get hurt.

If you're curious about this part of the scam, Google 'Steven's Transport Workman's Compensation', and you'll find that they've been sued over this-repeatedly. Once, during arbitration, they lost, and tried to blame their loss on the administrative judge's MIGRAINE Headache! All in order to ###### a hard-working employee who bought into their scam.

Another protion of the orientation involves filling our paperwork to allow Steven's to deduct just about anything they feel like from your check. You'll be paying for an $80.00 meat lock, and two $30.00 load locks before you're allowed off the yard in your own truck, by the way. Yep, another $140.00 out of pocket, and all you've gotten so far is some ###### Mexican food and a room at the Ho Jo's.

Also, if your truck is damaged-even by SOMEONE ELSE, you'll be paying the insurance deductible out of pocket, too. Don't forget to check your load temperature-yep, you guessed it, they can 'fine' you for that, too. Over-rev the truck? Yep, that's right-you're paying for it, even though Steven's is a TRAINING COMPANY. Go out of route? Cha-ching. Over on your fuel? Cha-ching. Miss a fuel stop? Cha-ching. Are you starting to see a pattern here?

One of the portions of the class I thought was especially enlightening was the axle and vehicle weight portion. If you drive for Stevens, you WILL drive over weight-or the dispatchers will black ball you and you'll be waiting-unpaid-for days at a time between loads. Remember, this is a training company, and your replacement is probably already being trained. And, if you quit, it's no skin off their nose-you'll still be on the hook for the six grand, at 19% interest.

One of the employees there at the training center, a big American fella named Eugene, will come in and reassure you that if you get a ticket for being overweight, and you've been told by your dispatcher that you should pull the load despite being overweight, that Stevens will pay the fine. What Eugene won't tell you-even if he's asked directly-is that each commercial driver has a DAC report, on which EVERY VIOLATION he or she commits is logged. That overweight ticket goes on YOUR DAC report-and it WILL prevent you from advancing in the industry.

Also, what Eugene won't tell you is that in some states, you might be ARRESTED for being over gross-which the dispatchers will STILL try to get you to pull-and you're not getting out unless you or Steven's comes up with the fine amount. Nice, eh? And you better make sure that they send you the message in writing on your Qualcomm, or else they're gonna claim that you volunteered to pull an overweight load, and then you're gonna be ### out!

Another detail Stevens leaves out is the fact that profitable trucking jobs require a SPOTLESS DAC. All those overweight tickets that Stevens pays for mean that you're not going to get hired by Wal-Mart, Fed-Ex, or any of the other big-money trucking companies. You're stuck as a bottom feeder forever-for 27 cents per mile.

Oh, and about the 27 cents per mile-did I mention that you're going to pay for every truck-related expense with advances from your pay? Need toll money? Take an advance. Need to pay lumpers to unload the freight? Take an advance. Money for a fine? Take an advance. Windshield wiper fluid, oil, coolant, or any other minor repair? Take an advance. Stevens claims that they'll reimburse you, but remember, they get to decide whether to do that or not after the fact. Your money has already been spent, and now you have to beg them to give it back.

I know some of you are thinking, 'well, I'll just offload my own freight, and take the lumpers out of the equation'. My ### you will. Most of the shippers and recievers I dealt with while in the trainer/trainee OTR phase would not let you on their docks AT ALL, NO MATTER WHAT. Period. No exceptions. And they can be REAL expensive-on trainee pay, the lumpers might cost more that your weekly check for some freight-like Tyson chicken, which is one of the biggest Stevens contracts.

So, provided you're stupid or desperate enough to sign off on all of this (I was...), you'll be assigned to a trainer for the first of two over-the-road training phases, trainer/trainee. I've personally decided to report Stevens to OSHA for the numerous violations I observed, so I can't go into specific detail, but suffice it to say that it is possible for the trainer to use your log book to drive illegaly-and in my experience, he WILL. You'll also need to drive illegally, too, or you'll find yourself out of a job. And don't bother calling Stevens to report it-that's the fast-track to unemployment.

Suffice it to say, if you go ahead and decide to work for Stevens after reading this, you have only yourself to blame. They somehow manage to get these reports edited off of this site and others, but hopefully, you've read this one and can save yourself the scamming I got.
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This post says it all .....
Run away as fast as you can........

jtrnr1951 · Oct 23, 2009

Cactusjack,
Are you presently employed by a trucking company? Just kinda curious. Thanks

Big Don · Oct 23, 2009

The newbies also need to be aware that it is not JUST the "major" companies that will screw the hell out of you. When I was in driver's school, through a state run applied technical college, I was pre-hired by a father son operation. If my memory serves, they had about 40 trucks...

I took one short trip with an "experienced" (read that old alcoholic) driver. A very short trip, from St. George up to Sugar City ID and back. Then I was cut loose on my own. Talk about having to learn the hard way...

I probably made just about every mistake a driver can make, with the exception of forgetting to keep the dirty side down, and the shiny side up!

They made me buy my own load locks, from them, and charged about 60% more than you would pay for them in a truck stop. Being a rookie, I did not know this, I had to buy them before they would hire me. They had no qualcom, and this was before cell phones were so popular. But they provided "phone cards," at what I later found out was an exorbitant rate...

I was due to drop a loaded trailer at their drop yard in Denver one time. When I got there, the security guard told me I needed to call my dispatch. I made the call, and they asked me, very nicely, if I would "do them a favor." It seems that the local driver who was scheduled to meet me and deliver that LTL load had called in "sick." Would I PLEASE go ahead and make those deliveries. Even though I was dead tired, and out of hours. It was eleven drops.

Like an idiot, I agreed to do it for them. Well, I got the deliveries done, and got by without getting busted for it.

But then when payday came, I found that they did not even pay me the normal "drop & pick" fee, that their manual stated they paid. They did not pay me an hourly, for the work. They didn't pay me ANYTHING for it.

I called it to the attention of the bookkeeper, and was told that I needed to see the owner's son about this. He had instructed her to withhold the pay.

So I finally got in to see him. He told me, "we aren't gonna pay you for that, because there was one delivery that you did not make on time."

By this time, I had more than enough of this outfit and quit on the spot. I'm happy to report that this outfit, Farmer's Distributing, out of St. George went out of business a few years later...

I'm just posting this as a reminder that not every chickenschidt company is one of the majors...

cactusjack · Oct 23, 2009

Thanks Big Don,
For sure i will be getting around to the smaller carriers and i do appreciate any helping hand and experiences that any experienced drivers can share about any company.
I thought i would get the big companies out of the way first and then go small....
I totally agree there is an lot of smaller companies that are bad out there and as you pointed out usually the small ones that have bad practices seems to fade away once they are caught up in their b.s..

Big Don · Oct 23, 2009

It's my understanding that the outfit I was talking about had been a good company to work for, before the owner's son came on board. Sound familiar?

cactusjack · Oct 23, 2009

celadon Not good Well I can honestly say it was not a good experience.
1. They do not preplan (no matter how much I asked to get a load before I got to the customer)

2. Many many times this scenario happened
Get a load going to waxahachie, TX their term.. get there and they make you sit for 20 + hours, then try to give you a load that is 200 miles. what they do is have the Mexican drivers bring the load from Mexico to wax then the one you dropped off they take down to laredo.
(Celadon owns a company called Celadon Mexico in Mexico)
another scenario you will see is The Canadian drives dominate down in Laredo, (Celadon owns a Company called Celadon Canada that is out of Canada) So basically they send all of the drivers from Canada down to Laredo then send them all the way back to Canada.
Just freight I would like to see American drivers haul since it is our country.

3. Would end up taking 2 or more 34 hours breaks a week not by choice just cause they make me sit. that would happen at least 2 weeks out of the month.

4. Wasn't the easiest thing to get paid for detention

5. they claim the trucks go 68MPH if you have below a certain Idle time, if you go above that idle time the truck will only go 65. The truth is only the Volvo can read idle time and all of the new Volvo go to TEAMS only. most Volvo's are traded at the end of their lease so most don't get them.
Freightliners and Internationals don't get the 68Mph if you idle below a certain limit.
They go by fuel mileage, and you have to average below 6.5Mph (including idle time) in order to get 68Mph. Anybody knows that an impossible fuel mileage to get with a newer truck. So plan on only going 65Mph
The owner of the company came out during orientation and said , the idle time they have set it at and still allows you to go 68, will be approx 8 hours of Idle a day. A bunch of BS that was.

6. As most companies Celadon maintenance takes forever.
Okay lets see if I can remember it all. 2 week driving for Celadon down in SC the truck started to lose power. Well being an experienced driver usally the first thing you want to do is change the fuel filter and pray that is it. It took me forever to get them to authorize a purchase of a fuel filter, the impression I got was they was concerned I was going to try to sell the dang thing. Well that did not work as I pulled into Indy term I took it to the shop. Truck was down for 8 full days and I had requested a loaner several times cause I needed to run. never got a loaner. had a bad injector is all it was but took 8 days to fix? paid $160 for 8 days
A/C compressor froze up as I went to pull in at Indy term about 3 weeks later, It burned the belt off and I said no way am I going to let Indy fix it so I Bob tailed out and went to the TA to have them do warranty work and replace it. one week later I was back in Indy and A/C had stop working. I a hole in the line where the the idiot from the T/A had stepped down on it and made it rub against the frame when he changed the compressor.
5 days down time to change a A/C line. this is not a joke, 5 full days. paid $160 for 5 days
Truck fan started to make noise shortly after, I new the clutch fan was going out. about the same time I noticed The truck using water. I told them about it they looked at it and said nothing wrong 1 full day downtime.
A few weeks later and several gallons off water It got cold out. I turn the heater on and instantly I knew I had a bad heater core. So I turned off the heater core hoses that went into the dash and just use the bunk heater. (noway could I afford to have this truck back in the shop.)
The heater core most likely was damaged to to one of the Idiots Celadon shop or T/A had applied to much pressure to the A/C system and damaged the heater core. The truck Fan finally went all the way out and It would overheat if I tried to drive it more then a few miles.
Got it to a term Indy and told them to fix it all
2 days $80 paid in 2 days
A few weeks later the starter started would not work. Had to go out and tap on the starter with a hammer to get it to release. Well this worked for about a month and in that month I had told Indy shop to check it out and they said the starter was fine. (it didn't do it all the time but most of the time) So finally one day leaving laredo, TX I pulled up to the loves at
exit 39 to fuel and the dang truck would not start no matter what. They ended up towing it back to laredo and took 1 day to fix. no pay
A month or to later. I went to start the truck and the truck accelerator pedal would not work. I could Idle the truck down the road and shift but at Idle the truck would not go more then 35-40 in 10th gear. They wanted me to drive the truck 50 miles with no accelerator to Indy term threw Indianapolis
(I was north of Indy and the term is South of Indy)
I might add I was at a T/A and the only problem was the accelerator sensor that cost something like $75 + labor.
They would not let T/A fix it (company policy they claimed do to the fact I was close to a term)
I told them that I thought it was unsafe for me to drive back to Indy with no Accelerator And I was not going to do it. They argued with me a little and I told them look its not going to happen. You can fix it here at this T/A or you can tow it. They towed it to INDY? I don't understand the cost effectiveness in that but they did it. 2 days down not paid
Keep in mind with all this going on to the junk truck I had (2005 with 280,000, not old at all but junk) I was requesting another truck that I never got.

7. I had a very nice FM, she was great and always tried her best but the FM are very limited in what they can do unlike some other companies.
Several times she transferred me to her boss to see if we could work something out.
let me give you an example. after 2 bad weeks in a row of having 2200 and a 2100 week. I finally had a good week, I hit like 3600 miles. I was up in St paul Min and was out of hours (i delivered that load early by the way, a full 24 hours early) I took a 34 and during that i had asked to get a preplanned. well again they don't preplan. So, at the beginning of my 34 I had set myself avail at 0500 (when 34 was up) I called at 0700 to ask where my load was at, they said hold on, 1000 i called and asked where is my load, at 1300 they gave me a load that I could not pick up till 0100 that night, well I was not very happy and called in, told them I did not really want to sit there all day and wait for that. The load was going to waxahachie TX and was only like 400+ long. well as already mentioned I know how wax works. I drive 8 hours to wax sit 22 hours and get a 200 mile load. that's how it works when you go to wax. you may get lucky and get a load going down to Laredo but not often, but then that's another 400 miles 8 hr drive then you will have to sit till the next morning to get a load.
I spoke to the FM's manger and told him that I had just took a 34 and now you are making me sit another 20 hours before I can get a load (this was a common thing I might add, sitting) He told me that's all they had and I said fine what about it going to Wax and having to sit 2o+ hours there before I get a load. He said that does not happen. I said well that's funny because it happens to me and about any other driver I talk to down there. Then on top of the 22 hr wait you give us a 200 mile run. He said that does not happen neither. I could not do anything but laugh, I told him then pls look at my past 20 runs to and from wax and tell me that it did not happened. He really didn't say much about that again but the conversation progressed to me saying "You need to look at it from my point of view" His response was "No I don't" well this instantly told me that this COMPANY DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THIER DRIVERS if they allow upper management to think in such away. Not to mention every other word out of his mouth was F*** this and F*** that and 1 more F*** to boot. I personally do not speak that way and surly don't appreciate being spoke to like that, especially in a business manner from somebody that is supposed to be In a professional position/attitude.

My overall experience with this company was a bad one and would not recommend it to anyone.
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I do not know much about if they do have an training program ....
I have heard stories like this over and over again about this company.
I personally would not give them the time of day.

cactusjack · Oct 23, 2009

Big Don said: ↑

It's my understanding that the outfit I was talking about had been a good company to work for, before the owner's son came on board. Sound familiar?
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Yes sir the same old story over and over again....
Either that or dad was an trucker and turned it into an small company everyone was happy until junior graduated college and dad decided to give him an job.
But then again i believe in the old school.

ironpony · Oct 23, 2009

cactusjack said: ↑

Yes sir the same old story over and over again....
Either that or dad was an trucker and turned it into an small company everyone was happy until junior graduated college and dad decided to give him an job.
But then again i believe in the old school.
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Well, I'd agree with you, but the old school started going away as soon as the feds decreed the CDL.

So where does a newb go for training in your opinion? And once obtaining that CDL, most smaller companies insurance preclude new drivers with less than 2 or 3 years driving for them. Where are they supposed to get that experience?

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