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    Quote Originally Posted by snowbegone View Post
    They only care about their money and the only way you will get taken care of there is if you live close to Superior, WI and bend over for them.

    I stand by every comment I made before about this crumbling, sorry excuse for a company, with some more editions.

    Hometime? Unless you are on your dispatchers "good buddy" list, they seem to think you have to go home with a load hanging over your head. This is even more the case if you don't live near the terminal. I used to live right near the I-94 corridor in Black RIver Falls, WI. The only loads they ever wanted to give me to take home would barely give me 34 hours off, and they alaways, ALWAYS went to NJ, NY or some undesireable hellhole that west coast crybabies were too good for. This was true even after I had been on the road over three weeks.

    I started getting smart and simply eating the gas and bought a 2nd car to drive up there, just so I could give them the finger when they lied about not having any freight.

    What especially got on my nerves is my dispatcher would tell me right to my face that i could have 3 or 4 days off (after working my ### of for 3 weeks, laying over twice, getting screwed out of my layover pay, etc). And wouldn't you know it, not even a day at home, and someone who is not even my driver manager ends up calling me on the phone telling me about all these hot east coast loads that need to get there yesterday. But oh, the west coast crybabies can take all the time off they want. They're the Vinje family's special adopted children, after all.

    Fuel and Routing? This is the only outfit I've ever heard of trying to run drivers out of route, not paying them the extra miles, just to get their hands on cheap fuel. They use the same idiotic fuel program that all the big companies use. For example, I took a load one time from Pueblo, CO to Joliet, IL. My first authorized fuel stop was on the far north side of Denver, a total of about 40 or more miles out of paid route. Their genious "fuel and routing" cronie couldn't understand why I demanded a new fuel stop. I simply explained that if he wanted me to fuel there he would have to get dispatch to pay me the extra miles. And this guy used to drive for them?!? For those of you who work for Swift, Werner, or other similar dirtbag outfits, you will notice that usually 80% of your fuel stops are crime infested ratholes with barely enough room to park a pickup truck. I finally got sick of their garbage and expained that their penny pinching is not worth my misery. My fuel stop compliance dropped to near 0% my last few months working there.

    New trucks? Coffins! I'm seeing a lot of new flat top KW's going down the road. Who would seriously want to do long haul in a company truck like this? The Aerocabs they've had for years are bad enough. Same gutless, detuned C13 Cat with too high of an axle ratio to climb hills. Worthless 10 speed. At least give your drivers some room to breathe when they get stranded for days at a time with no load. Now that Monson and Timberline are gone, 80% of the competition is eliminated. They seem to think this gives them the right to treat drivers even more like dirt.

    Don't just walk from these guys, RUN!!!
    I can remember the day when I would have killed for a new KW flat top. sure beats the old f/l cabover I started out driving!

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    Times are changing

    Well I spoke with a Halvor driver yesterday. The reasons for the new flat tops with super singles are this. When Mosnon was wiped out of the picture, a good deal of regional freight opened up out of NuPage and Sappi. Fil-Mor and a few others tried to step in and steal some of Halvors existing freight as well as all of Monson's. So the main reason behind the smaller trucks was to keep from losing probably 3 or more major accounts as well as picking up a lot of regional feight. A small somewhat cramped sleeper is better than being jobless.

    I guess they are actually busy again according to the guy I talked to. Their long distance OTR is a little shaky but regional is going nuts. Makes me wish i would have stuck around there, But I was starving from last November through February.

    You said it yourself, there are far worse places to work. Why not give them the benefit of the doubt and move on if you're so happy with your new job? If you're happy, that is...

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    I saw 2 of HL's new petes today. The T660's have the flattop bunk, but the new petes have both 48" bunks and 70" ultra cabs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diesel_weasel View Post
    Well I spoke with a Halvor driver yesterday. The reasons for the new flat tops with super singles are this. When Mosnon was wiped out of the picture, a good deal of regional freight opened up out of NuPage and Sappi. Fil-Mor and a few others tried to step in and steal some of Halvors existing freight as well as all of Monson's. So the main reason behind the smaller trucks was to keep from losing probably 3 or more major accounts as well as picking up a lot of regional feight. A small somewhat cramped sleeper is better than being jobless.

    I guess they are actually busy again according to the guy I talked to. Their long distance OTR is a little shaky but regional is going nuts. Makes me wish i would have stuck around there, But I was starving from last November through February.

    You said it yourself, there are far worse places to work. Why not give them the benefit of the doubt and move on if you're so happy with your new job? If you're happy, that is...
    There are far worse places to work, and there are also far BETTER if you have any kind of experience.

    So they needed to cut weight to save some big accounts. Where's your excuse for the other idiotic rules and regualtions they have come up with over the past 5 years?

    For trucks set at 65 MPH that turn themselves down to 62 at a moment's notice?

    The idiotic fuel/routing program? I know of outfits twice as big as HL that let their driver's fuel where they want. The office staff keeps growing and growing and they're too lazy to figure out fuel taxes?

    And how about dispatchers that won't let you get decent hometime, and are in one hell of a hurry to send you to the east coast so you can sit for days on end?

    The job market in Duluth/Superior sucks, is always worse than the nation's average. There are no good trucking comapnies left up there, maybe Jeff Foster but that's a stretch. This is the big reason HL has turned into a dirtbag outfit. Unless you talk like you starred in the movie "Fargo" these idiots up here look at you weird, like you're the one with an accent. I guess the brutal cold winter and 2 week summer screws up the wires in the brain.

    Don't just walk from Duluth/Superior, RUN!!!

    Don't just walk from Halvor Lines, RUN!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by diesel_weasel View Post
    When Halvor turned the trucks down to 65 I saw very little if any improvement in MPG when driving the C13. Maybe on the flats a little bit of improvement but if i saw any mountains east or west my fuel mileage was the same as in 2006 when they were set at 68 MPH. I think the reason they went to 65 was to comply with Ontario's speed limiter law, but I believed they used the high fuel prices at the time to cover for it. Just my opinion.

    Later last Summer I hopped into a Cascadia with a 60 series Detroit. The Cascadia was actually a little worse on fuel mileage, but it is a bigger motor and slightly more powerful. One good thing about it was it wasn't subject to that ridiculous Caterpillar program that lowered your top speed if you idled a lot. I could idle that truck forever and it wouldn't slow down. When it was comfortable enough to shut the truck off I would, but I didn't feel I needed to be penalized just to sleep comfortably. One of the big reason i left this outfit, I knew eventually I would end up back in a KW.

    As far as Halvor picking up much of Monson's freight, I think that will be negligable. They will probably be able to pick up much of the slack for Monson's freight out of Sappi (Cloquet) and NuPage (Duluth), but they will be fighting with the other carriers up there for it. Also Bowater shut down, and Halvor hauled some stuff for them too. I'm not sure what the other Canadian mill was that closed. If it was Abitibi in Ft Frances and Thunder Bay, Halvor could really be hurting too. They hauled quite a bit of freight for Abitibi.

    Also USG, one of Halvor's big customers, was deathly slow when I quit. This spring they were down to half the normal level of drop trailers that used to be up there. I hope for their sake that the housing and building construction market picks up soon.

    As far as backhauls to Duluth/Superior, monson didn't have many big dedicated accounts. Their bread and butter was was paper out of Bowater (thunder bay), and Scrap paper back up there (from IL, MN, WI, SD, ND) That is all gone now, and a lot of scrap paper is going overseas to places like china from what I've heard.

    I haul a lot of scrap paper for all over to Green bay with Covenant but the pay is not good so i am looking for somthing better

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    This thread just about describes my experience with Halvor Lines to a T. There are worse companies, but I pity anyone who is stuck up there in the frozen north working for these fools.

    Back when I drove for JB Hunt I heard people rant and rave about how great this company was. 6 months showed me they are nothing more than 65 MPH JB Hunt trucks. The benefits are ok, but the pay and miles are terrible. Not to mention they stuck their trucks into the most God-Awful places to get backhauls out of, in addition to trying to pressure drivers to go to Canada. Sorry HL, I work for a real outfit now that actaully takes care of me. You and your stupid Quallcom can no longer afford me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by veteran_rookie View Post
    This thread just about describes my experience with Halvor Lines to a T. There are worse companies, but I pity anyone who is stuck up there in the frozen north working for these fools.

    Back when I drove for JB Hunt I heard people rant and rave about how great this company was. 6 months showed me they are nothing more than 65 MPH JB Hunt trucks. The benefits are ok, but the pay and miles are terrible. Not to mention they stuck their trucks into the most God-Awful places to get backhauls out of, in addition to trying to pressure drivers to go to Canada. Sorry HL, I work for a real outfit now that actaully takes care of me. You and your stupid Quallcom can no longer afford me.
    And that real outfit is......?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldnewbiegonnabe View Post
    And that real outfit is......?
    Let's just say there's some still some good opportunities for those of us who have good driving records and more than a few years of some experience under our belts. I drive belly dump/end dump for a guy part time and when they get slow I haul produce for another company or take time off if my little heart desires. Both are small companies with under 50 trucks that take care of their drivers, with no idle restrictions, no Quallcomm, and hey, some of the the trucks may be old but at least they can do or exceed the speed limit. I do not want to name names due to the fact that people have called before harassing at least one of them (an insider for JB Hunt I would imagine), trying to find out who is telling the truth about their dirtbag outfit on the internet. But these were my first posts, on THIS forum.

    "And that real outfit is......?" ....not Halvor Lines or JB hunt anymore, thank God for that...

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    halvor has ran downhill and faster than their trucks can go. kreilkamp sound like it cause they actually work with halvor in some way. i picked up a kohls load in wi and they had to check me in thru kreilkamps system somehow. i left halvor cause i was only getting #### short runs and it was vans when i was supposed to be a flatbed driver. they relied to heavy on only one place for their outbound flats and it crashed. halvor thinks they are to good to take some frieght and it forces the drivers to suffer by sitting and waiting. halvor is also afraid to send their drivers far from the yard empty to get a load to run out with. they are looking down their noses to much and they cant see they are running straight towards the ground. smaller trucks, sitting to long, no toll roads, favoratisms, idle times, dumb routing and fueling assignments, its all pointing down hill and they dont want to admit it. their van dispatch is horrible, playing favs to brown nosing drivers, the dispatchers dont communicate with eachother on anything. im already hearing rumors that charter films is gonna drop them cause they are brokering #### out and its not working out. kinda funny they can broker their loads out and they cant keep their own drivers running descent miles. im just glad i ran from them when i did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guardbear View Post
    halvor has ran downhill and faster than their trucks can go. kreilkamp sound like it cause they actually work with halvor in some way. i picked up a kohls load in wi and they had to check me in thru kreilkamps system somehow. i left halvor cause i was only getting #### short runs and it was vans when i was supposed to be a flatbed driver. they relied to heavy on only one place for their outbound flats and it crashed. halvor thinks they are to good to take some frieght and it forces the drivers to suffer by sitting and waiting. halvor is also afraid to send their drivers far from the yard empty to get a load to run out with. they are looking down their noses to much and they cant see they are running straight towards the ground. smaller trucks, sitting to long, no toll roads, favoratisms, idle times, dumb routing and fueling assignments, its all pointing down hill and they dont want to admit it. their van dispatch is horrible, playing favs to brown nosing drivers, the dispatchers dont communicate with eachother on anything. im already hearing rumors that charter films is gonna drop them cause they are brokering #### out and its not working out. kinda funny they can broker their loads out and they cant keep their own drivers running descent miles. im just glad i ran from them when i did.
    You made the right choice by quitting. One of my friends recently quit and told me your story pretty much word for word.

    From what I can see here I'm glad that i ran when I did. When I quit they acted like I was crazy. But for the first time in a long time my annual income actually went way up. Looks like things there at HL keep gettting uglier and uglier. Now they want to get picky with toll roads? Smart, real smart HL. And brokering out loads from Superior while your drivers sit next to jobless, that's a really nice touch too. What goes around comes around

    Van dispatch was indeed on the verge of terrible when i quit. Lack of communication, favoritism, and a love affair with trying to send drivers to Canada. Also a carefree attitude for forcing drivers to sit without freight for days on end. There are indeed many brown nosers who swindle freight away from the drivers who actually work hard and deserve to run. Some of their owner operators will try to cut off company drivers and unload reload first if there's more than one HL truck at the same place.

    Yeah, the whole crew of drivers and office staff seems to be living in some cloud of false bliss that things are not that bad at HL, and things are more rotten everywhere else.

    When this outfit finally crumbles, I hope they have enough integrity to shut down the moral and ethical way and not do what Arrow did.

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