DRD Motorsports Inc. - Mt Clemens, Mi.

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  1. Pur48Ted

    Pur48Ted Road Train Member

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    David Derderian dba DRD Motorsports in Mt Clemens MI is a crook. He badgers drivers to violate HOS and falsify their logbooks to cover-up. He requires drivers to drive far more than their allowed 14 hrs per day ("Every good driver has to average 700 miles or more per day" ~DIRECT QUOTE) He requires drivers to haul OD loads without the necessary permits to do so. If he has a problem (like his credit-card being declined for fuel purchases) he will often call then scream and cuss at happless fuel-clerks who are doing their jobs by refusing the credit card.
    He will scream and cuss at shippers if they are late, receivers if they are late and especially drivers if they are late, no matter their reason. Bad Traffic be ######!
    None of his equipment would pass a good DOT inspection, and the repairs are often slip-shod self done jobs. He only replaces a tire when it blows out, even when the tire has steel belts showing.
    If he fires you (for refusing to violate any law) he will issue a "stop-payment" on the previous check if he can and refuse to pay you the rest of the money he owes. I know, it took me over 14 months to get my money out of him, even after the State of Michigan Department of Labor; Wage and Hour Division ordered him to pay me. When I filed for unemployment, he reported my income as $2200 (which wasn't enough to collect unemployment) but reported over $4400 on my W-2 form.
     
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  3. pro1driver

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    well i did not go to your link, your story seems good enough (for now). with an attitude like his towards his customers, both shippers and recievers, i'll guess he's hurting for customers as much as he's hurting for drivers. he'll be gone soon enough, good ridance.
     
  4. Burky

    Burky Road Train Member

    First, no compny owner can badger drivers to falsify their logbooks and run illegally without the driver consenting to do so. If a driver for this company ran that way, then it was because the driver chose to do so, not for any other valid reason. If any driver at any time feels that he is being pushed and under pressure, then all it takes is a simple stop at any scale or law enforcement facility and the problem can be easily rectified.

    Same thing applies to permits. The driver is responsible for ensuring that he has the appropriate permits and permission to be hauling an oversized load. If there are problems back at the company support end, that's a different issue, but no driver is forced to move a load illegally. Again, any LEO can solve this problem easily. And I find it just about unbelievable that a truck in the condition you described, with an unmarked oversized load, managed to go all the way across the country without drawing any notice. The police aren't perfect, but this was waving a red flag in front of a bull for about 2700 miles or so.

    If a driver pulls out with belts showing on his tires, then again, the driver is responsible since it is his signature on the back of the logbook certifying that he did a complete and proper pre trip inspection. There are checks and balances built into the system to prevent this very thing from happening.

    Now if you drove illegally on hours to meet a schedule, didn't get permits as required to move a load, and accepted a truck with steel cords showing in the tires, then the fault lies just as heavily on you as it does on the owner of the truck.

    My number one question here is this: If these conditions existed, then why did it reach a point where it was needed to fire you, with valid cause or without? Why did you stick around at all in this type of a situation? You sould have been walking out the door long before it reached the levels which you describe.

    Some questions need to be answered before I would accept this story at full face value. And looking over both of your web sites, I come to the conclusion that they are simply "revenge" sites, and that always brings up a lot of questions about the site and the person behind it.

    This may very well be a marginal owner with a lot of problems, but I am a little bit leery of accepting your tale at full value for now. My 02.
     
  5. Pur48Ted

    Pur48Ted Road Train Member

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    Not exactly true, ANY company can badger an employee to falisfy logbooks and run illegally (as I was)and I agree that the driver ultimately has the choice to "violate" or not, but I chose NOT to run illegally. I had continous arguments with David Derderian about this, the last one I recorded (the one where David Derderian fired me in Newburgh NY for refusing to run straight thru to Newark NJ after already driving for 10 hours). I called the Michigan State Police, and all said they would was send Mr Derderian a copy of the law, they REFUSED to surrepticiously listen in on any phone calls. And refused to become involved even after I was fired for refusal to break any (more) laws.

    If you have ever hauled an OVERSIZE boat, you would know that much of the boat is NOT oversize, but only the top edge of the hull, which is 8 to 10 feet off the ground most of the time.
    I had never hauled boats before, and my previous experience with oversize loads was limited to loads that were obviously Over Size, (including 14ft wide machinery from Port Washington NY to San Diego). From the side of the load, it is impossible to tell if the boat is oversize.
    On the FIRST load I hauled, I was NOT informed the boat was oversive (and due to my ignorance of hauling such loads, I was not aware it was oversize) and had hauled the boat from Michigan to Iowa before I got one of those "Oh-by-the-way" phone calls. I should note that I "picked-up" the load (pre-loaded) about 10:30 pm the night before. David Derderian (or his previous driver) had hauled the boat in question from New Hampshire to Michigan with-out oversize permits.
    That particular boat was only about 9 1/2 feet wide and even standing behind the load, it wasn't easy for someone to tell it was oversize. David Derderian stated/bragged (after I knew the load was oversize) that he "NEVER" permits a boat that is less than 10ft wide. (Unless he gets caught)
    While I admit that I did haul that particular boat from IOWA to California without the necessary permits (AFTER I knew it was oversize, much to my dishonor), I refused to do so again from that point on, as well as refuse to violate any HOS regulations, including falsify my log book to cover up those violations.

    In email and phone conversations with two other "ex" employees of DRD Motorsports, they said their experiences were similar to mine, with the exception; one ex employee was not a driver, but only the Secretary who worked in the Office, who at one point was charged with several criminal offences for following David Derderian's "orders".

    David Derderian has been cited in the past for FALSIFYING permits and/or Documents in the State of Ohio and has even spent time in jail there for that. David Derderderian had at one point lost his Authority to haul thru the State of Ohio.


    On the load I took that had steel belts showing, there was only a "half-dollar" sized flat-spot initially on the tire. I noted it on my logs and showed it to David Derderian. He told me to get the tire replaced on the road. When the steel belts started showing, he told me to continue, that the tire would "last" until I got back to Michigan, another thing we argued about in my short employment there (1 month). I finally convinced him to replace the tire in Santa Rosa NM, he instructed me to replace it with a USED tire I purchased at a tire shop next to the TA. That tire blew after 5 miles and caused damage to the boat I was hauling.

    I only worked for him for 1 month, and at the point I was fired, I was going to quit next time I was in Michigan, but as we both know, quitting under load for any reason, justified or not, can put a very dark "BLACK MARK" on your DAC Report that is impossible to explain away. I believe they call it "Abandoning a Load", or something like that.


    Revenge Sites??
    Gripe Sites or "BEWARE" sites, perhaps, but not "Revenge" sites. I have no need to "get" revenge, as people who do business as DRD does, usually get what they are due at their own hands and without someone taking "revenge".

    I have MUCH more information about the "business" practices of David Derderian, but at this point I am not free to discuss because they are important to a civil action being taken by one of DRD Motorsports former customers (who lost a $600,000 boat ~UNINSURED~ due to David Derderian's negligence ~faulty maintenence and falsified recordkeeping~ ), but when that civil matter is adjudicated, I will have access to it. (I can DIVULGE that much because THAT is a matter of Public Record)

    THAT being said, if my website helps in any way to bring David Derderian closer to being out of business, as much as he thumbs his nose at laws we all follow as well as placing the General Public in danger, don't you think it is worth it?

    I certainly do.
     
  6. Pur48Ted

    Pur48Ted Road Train Member

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    Definately NOT your typical "small business owner with problems". David Derderian actively THUMBS his nose at the laws and regulations we all follow. He is a CRIMINAL, a SCOFFLAW. Plain and simple.
     
  7. drdmotorsports

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    Bad Traffic be ######!
    is that your excuse for averaging 37 miles and hour for the average of all trips combined? you were fired for failing to perform. you were required to average 500 miles per day not 700. you told me you could. you delivered two loads damaged. your the driver, your responsible. why , after more than a year must you continue this? let it go, get a life. Your driving skills are poor at best and now you have provided me with an avenue to let all to read. as for your pay, abandoning the truck and trailer is against company policy, return the truck and get paid , its that easy. did you tell the forum that three police agencies had to get involved to recover the truck or did you just forget that? we still have the option to litigate for those recovery efforts. its not out of the question yet.
     
  8. drdmotorsports

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    your website has definitely helped. it has helped to attract more traffic and increase our workload. we are putting on more trucks, more trailers, and more drivers. thank you.
    i have not spent time in jail for falsifying anything, be careful. you may think your the greatest truck driver that ever walked the face of earth but i have yet to see anything that would merit anything worth comendation.
     
  9. Burky

    Burky Road Train Member

    Okay, without taking sides on this one because it looks like there are issues on both sides of the fence, I do have a question for DRD Motorsports. If his site is being productive and bringing you in more work and causing you to put on more trucks and drivers, why do you have lawyers sending him letters to shut down the site? Seems that if it's doing what you say it is, having lawyers sht it down is the last thing you would want to do.
     
  10. TurboTrucker

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    I'm not going to take sides, nor address specific charges here, because that's not going to do a thing but create more charges and arguments.

    I will offer that a check of DRD Motorsport's file, reveals that there is definitely some problem in regard to the company keeping their drivers compliant with hours of service. As of 7/05/06 the OOS rate is 17.8%....quite high. ISS-2 is 87, which could be worse, but apparently this company hasn't been around long enough to fully establish a record that tells all....

    I will tell you this much; Any company that had that kind of OOS rate, wouldn't get a call from me. It tells me enough.
     
  11. Burky

    Burky Road Train Member

    While I agree that 17.8% is high, this being a small outfit with only a few trucks, each incident of placing a driver out of service has a larger effect percentage wise than in a large company where the individual driver is only a small percentage of the fleet. You could place a Swift driver out of service, and the overall numbers would barely reflect it, but place one driver out of 5 out of service, and you are at a 20% rate.

    If his business is growing, then fine and wonderful. If he is growing the business and following the practices his former employee described, then nature will take it's course and it won't last long. A lot of what went on seems to be of the he said/she said variety, and is impossible to make any clear judgement on. Both sides seem to use intemperant tones when addressing the other, which undercuts the arguments on both sides of the story.
     
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