When the Safe 7 is unsafe

Discussion in 'Roehl' started by Preacher Man, May 24, 2014.

  1. Preacher Man

    Preacher Man Road Train Member

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    In case you missed the message from safety, we are now to yield to merging traffic getting on the interstate. We have also been told to stop for green lights if we didn't see it turn green since it is about to change. To a degree what they are saying follows what any good driver should do, but go to the point that doing what they say will actually cause accidents. This is why I would never be a trainer at Roehl, I can't teach someone to follow unsafe practices.

    Let's take a look at what you should do. As far as a stale green you should cover the brake and prepare to stop, if the light continues green when you reach the point you have to go, or stop you should accelerate to get through the intersection as quickly and safely as possible.

    As far as yielding to traffic trying to merge onto a limited access highway some things to keep in mind. First the law never says who has the right of way, it says who must yield the right of way. This is from Illinois' rules of the road publication about right of way.
    My practice is to watch the merging traffic for signs of what they are going to do. If they continue to match my speed I hold my lane and speed. If they speed up, then I let off the throttle to allow them to enter ahead of me. If they slow down then I continue with my speed and hold my lane. If I see that traffic is merging, especially large trucks I try to move over a lane as I approach the on ramp, and if all else fails I start to slow down before I get to the ramp. What you have to keep in mind is that traffic behind you is expecting you to continue and not come to a stop in the middle of a traffic lane so that you can be Mr. Polite. At the end of the day, while you should adjust your speed so that you avoid a collision, it is the job of traffic entering the roadway to merge with you.
     
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  3. NavigatorWife

    NavigatorWife Road Train Member

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    My husband has always wondered how a car could get on a ramp and just stop instead of merging, but after having been in some of the states where they have the metered guard rail up, I have concluded this has led to the problem.

    I looked up info about merging since it seems like so many people have no clue as to what to do. When we were in school it was up to the mergee to get on and polite if the running traffic let them do so. According to what I have found out on the internet, no one is subject to being responsible to give leeway, and this includes on city streets where they have yield signs. I think this has led to more of an aggressive type, its' my space type driving.

    In the case of trucks moving over a lane, there has been debate on here before about it. A lot of times you move over to let the car merge, then as you try to move safely back over, some moron tries skinnying up on your right side as you proceed to move over, you are put in a dangerous situation right there.

    Unless they start getting back to some of the old rules, such as no passing period on the right, or move over to let merging traffic on, there is always going to be a debate. Cars are the ones who really need to be taught this though since they seem to be the ones who violate it most.
     
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  4. tinytim

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    Once you've reached the point of not stopping I don't see any point in accelerating. The fraction of a second sooner you will get through the intersection is less important than the increased reaction and stopping time you will have as your momentum is increasing and your foot is on the go pedal. Cover the brake and coast on through IMO.
     
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  5. 8thnote

    8thnote Road Train Member

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    Most interstate on-ramps do not have yield signs, so technically no one has the right of way. All you can do is be alert and do what is safest on a case by case basis. Just go ahead and assume that the other guy is going to do the dumbest possible thing and be prepared to react accordingly.
     
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  6. Roadmedic

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    Do a search on the laws. I have never seen a ramp with the right of way yet.
     
  7. SHO-TYME

    SHO-TYME Road Train Member

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    Don't you know all trucks are to yield to all 4 wheelers?
     
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  8. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    Thanks to you, some will be thinking they do now.:biggrin_25514:
     
  9. tinytim

    tinytim Road Train Member

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    Merging isn't that complicated. One vehicle is changing lanes, one is not. It goes without saying who is responsible for the safe lane change.
     
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  10. Puppage

    Puppage Road Train Member

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    Because people have NO idea how to merge, period. Then, when they DO finally merge, they do a whopping 20 miles an hour. Do they not know that traffic coming behind them are doing 50+ mph?
     
  11. Scott72

    Scott72 Road Train Member

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    Sometimes you can help them out by changing lanes or reducing speed, sometimes you just can't do anything to help them out and they have to figure it out on their own. That's what I teach.
     
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