Tandem Setting Formula

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  1. X-Country

    X-Country Medium Load Member

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    This was shared to me on Monday by a guy on my new route. So simple, it's unbelievable!


    Tandem Setting Formula


    Each tandem hole = 250 lbs.
    Maximum Gross Weight (Truck/Trailer/Cargo) = 80,000 lbs.
    Maximum Front Steer Axles Weight = 12,000 lbs. (Front Tractor Axles)
    Maximum Drive Axles Weight = 34,000 lbs. (Rear Tractor Axles)
    Maximum Trailer Axles Weight = 34,000 lbs. (Rear Trailer Tandem Axles)

    Example 1
    Gross Weight = 80,000 lbs.
    Front Steers = 11,200 lbs.
    Drive Axles = 36,000 lbs.
    Tandems = 32,800 lbs.

    Your load is not legal. You are 2,000 lbs. overweight on your Drive Axles.

    To figure out where your tandems need to be, use the following formula

    Drive Axles 36,000 lbs.
    Minus Tandems – 32,800 lbs.
    -----------------
    3,200 lbs. (Difference)


    Divide the difference by 2 (2 axles, Drives and Steers)

    3,200 lbs. / 2 = 1,600 lbs. proportioning weight

    Now take the proportioning weight and divide by 250 ( this is the # of lbs. per hole)

    1,600 lbs. / 250 = 6.4 holes

    In this case, your drive axles have too much weight, therefore they are the problem. So to properly proportion your load, you will always SLIDE TOWARDS the problem.

    So you will slide your tandems FORWARD 7 holes (since we can’t technically slide 6.4 holes).


    Example 2

    Gross Weight = 79,400 lbs.
    Front Steers = 11,600 lbs.
    Drive Axles = 30,600 lbs.
    Tandems = 37,200 lbs.

    Your load is not legal. You are 3,200 lbs. overweight on your Trailer Tandem Axles.
    To figure out where your tandems need to be, use the following formula

    Drive Axles 37,200 lbs.
    Minus Tandems – 30,600 lbs.
    -----------------
    6,600 lbs. (Difference)


    Divide the difference by 2 (2 axles, Drives and Steers)

    6,600 lbs. / 2 = 3,300 lbs. proportioning weight

    Now take the proportioning weight and divide by 250 ( this is the # of lbs per hole)

    3,300 lbs. / 250 = 13.2 holes

    In this case, your trailer tandem axles have too much weight, therefore they are the problem. So to properly proportion your load, you will always SLIDE TOWARDS the problem.

    So you will slide your tandems BACKWARDS 14 holes (since we can’t technically slide 13.2 holes).

    Use chalk to mark your tandem holes so you know where to slide and how far.


    Now, if you don’t have enough holes to slide forward or backwards, your load must be re-worked (unloaded and re-loaded and redistributed) by the shipper because you will not be able to get it DOT legal.

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    Last edited: Jul 17, 2014
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  3. Mev

    Mev Road Train Member

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    Wow !.....cool , thanks
     
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    Numb Crusty Curmudgeon

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    I likes it!!!

    some states you're allowed over 34K

    NC 38K for example

    also need remember the "bridge law. king pin to trailer axle distance.

    look in the front pages of the Rand McNalley M/C atlas, all those are in there.

    but I like the way that was laid out. X-Country
     
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  5. purpleprime

    purpleprime Medium Load Member

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    That's a good general rule but depending on how a load is loaded each hole will not always be 250
     
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  6. CrappieJunkie

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    Cool man. Thanks.
     
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  7. X-Country

    X-Country Medium Load Member

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    I've put it in a pdf format so y'all can download it to your laptops and smartphones. Just be sure to download Adobe Reader from app store or the google market to view it on your phones (free to download). It can be downloaded from adobe.com for your laptops for free also.

    View attachment Tandem Setting Formula.pdf
     
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    Numb Crusty Curmudgeon

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    some older trailers with larger holes can be 500 lbs/hole, also.
     
  9. X-Country

    X-Country Medium Load Member

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    yeah, it's just a base formula based on 12,000 steers, 34,000 drives, 34,000 tandems.

    :)
     
  10. STexan

    STexan Road Train Member

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    This will get you into a lot of trouble if you consider 250 lbs/hole the "standard" because it's not. In fact I don't think it's even close to being average and the bigger problem is that it's not so much about hole distance, but it's about load weight distribution in the trailer. Assuming you're loaded all the way to the rear and if the back half of freight is say twice as heavy as the front half, the hole/weight will be significantly more then if the situation is reversed. And on many mixed product loads, it's quite common for freight density numbers to vary considerably to the point many drivers get into trouble making ASSUMPTIONS about a loading sequence they don't have a clue about just by looking at the bills.

    All you need to know is for every pound of weight you add to the trailer tandems, you lighten the drives/steers by a pound (the ratio of steer/drive depends on truck model and tanks placement and 5th wheel setting) and as a general rule, for every 1000 lbs you add to the drives, you probably added 150 to the steers if your 5th wheel is set to it's "optimal position" wherever that sweet spot is.

    Imagine if you have 40,000 lbs loaded to 40 foot on a 53 foot trailer, and you scale the semi and the trailer tandems are at the "california position". Now imagine if you place a 5,000 lb pallet on the very rear of the trailer. What do you suppose is going to happen to the weights? Never mind about the trailer hole position for now ... now consider moving the trailer tandems with the extra heavy pallet on the back, and without and consider how the effect is going to be different between the 2 cases.

    One day I will draw up some meaningful diagrams that will help explain this that I can not find on the web but I'm sure they must exist somewhere
     
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  11. Knucklehead619

    Knucklehead619 Medium Load Member

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    This will get you into trouble because it's wrong. You're overthinking it and its throwing you off. Using your first example you need to move 2000 lbs off of your drives at a minimum. Again, using your numbers at 250 lbs per hole that requires 8 holes to move said 2000 lbs not the 7 your formula suggests. As to your other example, 3200 lbs at 250lbs per hole equals 13 holes (12.8) and your numbers work for the wrong reason.
     
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