Do you know any trucking company that hires people who failed a drug test

Why couldn't he go pee......I find it strange that he just couldn't make water.....I've hit the random test lottery more than once since random testing began ( even had to do it after I returned from a trip once , went to the office where the test was administered and didn't have to "go" right then , they told me to drink a bottle of water and have a seat...... I can't pee as a reason for failure , well , I'm no judge , but that just sounds kinda , sorta , maybe odd........

 

Yeah, I'm with Tony. I sat in a clinic once for 3 hours waiting until I had to tinkle.

Its not a problem unless you pull an Elvis and leave the building, because leaving before the testing can be completed is a automatic failure.

 

Yep , and "if" there is a legitimate medical reason for having a problem going to make water , you're in a place that has the capability to document it....I'm not saying in any way , form or fashion that the OP's husband isn't being factual.....just saying that after several tests of my own , I've never heard of this happening. I mean yourself in an office that usually has a Dr./a PA / a NP , on hand.....someone who you can give an explanation to , be it a medical problem , or a medicinal problem causing the lack of being able to go....sounds like the hand might have just walked out....if that's the case...he messed himself up. Not the regulations....

 

I think what she means he he couldn't "GO" on demand? Sometimes known as "shy bladder", which if I remember correctly, the DOT made some sort of provision (of sorts) with a timed limit to be at the collection site?

I was once at a collection site, had about 2 bottles of water before I got there. I "couldn't go" for a long time. The gal said "you have 2 hours, or it's a failure to provide a sample, and that's the same as a positive result". Just before the 2nd hour, man did I 'GO'.!

Funny too, that job that sent me there? I had quit after all of about 1 week. SO apparently, each collection site dictates the time frame for waiting? If the DOT "gave us" 2 hours(?) maybe the collection sites give a little extra or hold to the DOT time?

You wanna believe that a long time ago I went for a drug screening and was told to strip down to my birthday suit for a pee test? I walked out of there, went to the employer that was going to hire me, told them to shove the job. The test site said it was "regulations by the trucking company". The manager of the company said, BS, we have no such policy, it's the collection site's policy'! I said either way, I'm not stripping for a pee test.

 

Here are the guidelines a collector must go by if the tester has problems going...from DOT's web site...


SECTION 7. SHY BLADDER PROCEDURES The term "shy bladder" refers to a situation when the employee does not provide a sufficient amount of urine (45 mL) for a DOT-required drug test. If an employee tells the collector, upon arrival at the collection site, that he or she cannot provide a specimen, the collector must still begin the collection procedure regardless of the reason given. The collector should tell the employee that most individuals can provide 45 mL of urine, even when they think they cannot urinate, and direct the employee to make the attempt to provide the specimen.
At the point in the collection procedure where the collector and employee unwrap/open a collection container, the collector does the following:
1. The collector requests the employee to go into the rest room and try to provide a specimen.
Note: The employee demonstrates his or her inability to provide a valid specimen when the employee comes out of the rest room with an insufficient quantity of specimen or an empty collection container.

2. If the employee provided an initial insufficient specimen, the collector discards the insufficient specimen. The collector then annotates in the "Remarks" line the time when the employee provided the insufficient specimen. This is the time when the "shy bladder" collection process starts.
Note: If there was actually no specimen provided on an attempt, the same collection container may be used for the next attempt (the employee may keep possession of the container during the waiting period). The collector uses the same CCF and continues to document subsequent collections on the same form.
Note: If the insufficient specimen is also out of temperature range (assuming there was sufficient specimen to activate the temperature strip) or shows evidence of adulteration or tampering, the collector completes the collection process, sends the insufficient specimen (temperature out of range or adulterated) to the laboratory and immediately initiates another collection under direct observation.


3. The collector explains to the employee the process for a shy bladder collection and urges the employee to drink up to 40 ounces of fluids, distributed reasonably through a period of up to three hours, or until the individual has provided a sufficient urine specimen, whichever occurs first. It is not a refusal to test if the employee declines to drink.
Note: Collectors should be sensitive to how frequently they should ask the employee to provide a specimen. For example, asking the employee to provide a specimen every half hour may not produce sufficient specimen, although in total, the amount would have been at least 45 mL. In this case, the collector needs to determine if a longer time is needed for the employee to consume fluids and produce a sufficient volume of specimen. If the employee refuses to drink fluids, this is not considered a refusal to test, although the collector should explain to the employee that not drinking sufficient fluids may result in the employee’s inability to provide a sufficient specimen and would require a medical evaluation. Under no circumstances can a collector "combine" urine collected from separate voids to create one specimen of sufficient volume.

4. If the employee refuses to make the attempt to provide a new urine specimen or leaves the collection site before the collection process is completed, the collector must discontinue the collection, note the fact on the "Remarks" line of the CCF (Step 2), and immediately notify the DER. This is a refusal to test.
5. If the employee has not provided a sufficient specimen within three hours of the first unsuccessful attempt to provide the specimen, the collector must discontinue the collection, note the fact on the "Remarks" line of the CCF (Step 2), and immediately notify the DER.
Note: The collector should maintain a record in the "Remarks" line on the CCF of the time of each attempt, whether there was any specimen provided or the quantity of specimen provided, and the amount of fluids that the employee was given to drink. During the waiting time, the employee must be monitored by the collector (the one conducting the collection or another collector at the site) or by another responsible collection site staff member or a company representative. The collector must specifically tell the employee that he or she is not permitted to leave the collection site and if they do so, that it will be considered a refusal to test.

6. The collector then sends Copy 2 of the CCF to the MRO and Copy 4 to the DER. This is done even if the employee did not provide any specimen in order to notify the MRO and the employer of the problem. The collector must send or fax these copies to the MRO and DER within 24 hours or the next business day.

 

I read up to 3 hours, when I couldn't "go" I was told I only had 2 hours. Maybe we all ought to take a copy of this to the collection site and jam it into the face of the person who says different?

 

Wow been through this already on here he is on meds that make urination difficult he has never failed a drug test. Ever the company had the secretary administer the test she said he couldnt go right then and she said to try not knowing that started the 3 hr clock . He doesnt drink much to keep from having to pee alot (to much of a problem when trying to work and having to go every 5 minutes)so he stays dehydrated he drank several bottles while sitting there and was told to go again he tried and couldnt go to the line. Sat back down drank more water and a soda. The lady came back in the room and said she was leaving at 4:30 he needed to hurry up he couldnt go again and she left. And filled out his paperwork as an incomplete sample. Reported it to dot. As a refusal. He did not refuse he did try. We didnt know then what we know now. We have an attorney and the lawsuit is looking good. But word of advice if pulled in for a random dont "try" and go until you know you can that 3hr clock dont start until you try the first time. 2nd all water sources have to be secured and blue dye in the toilet that wasnt done either so thats just another point for us. 3rd they are suppose to send you to a medical doctor for documentation of the causes if there is one which in our case there was they didnt do that so another point in our favor. They terminated him on the spot . So that was another point in our favor due to protocols not being followed. So the lawsuit is to have them stop reporting this to his record. He offered up a hair sample to by the way and they refused.

 

YES, some meds make it difficult to "go", I know this as I am on meds as well. However, one of my meds, is for the formation of kidney stones, or shall I say, preventing them from forming, as a result, I MUST GO frequently to flush out. But even so, it is very true, urination can be difficult with some meds. Only his doctor can say for sure if he needs to be put on diuretics that ALLOW him or MAKE him urinate frequently. NO ONE here can say that is what he needs, we are NOT doctors. (I am on at least 1 diuretic myself). But the issue of "shy bladder" or "pee on demand" is all too real. When any of us (or some of us) are under pressure to "go", we just can't. It really has to be a relaxed atmosphere and not of urgency for a test.

This is why the DOT came up with the "3 hour ruling". It helps many of us, but there will always be those that still cannot "go" on demand, but what does the collection site do? They have to mark times, comments, etc. Let's be honest, that there are some people out there that try thier level best to stall on purpose, so the ruling came down to hopefully set up a level playing field for all. It is still (at times perhaps to some) not enough of a time frame, but in realistic terms, one cannot stay at the collection site for a full 8 hour shift either.

I would in your husbands situation, have a legal document written up, and notarized in regards to his drug test failure as medical condition. Maybe, just maybe this will have some weight for him in his job searching in the future. He would of course need his doctor's signature on that as well, as any specialist in the field of the urinary system. A long way to go, but hey, if they wanna play hardball, so should he!

 

If they violated that many parts if the collecting protocols they'll have a hard time in court , if it gets that far. Wrongful termination can get really expensive. Good Luck.

 

There's trucking companies that will hire him. He may not like them, but it's a start.
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