OOIDA launches ELD lawsuit....take 2

Discussion in 'ELD Forum | Questions, Answers and Reviews' started by rank, Apr 1, 2016.

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  2. rollin coal

    rollin coal Road Train Member

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    Hopefully they can get some big changes forced into this wrong headed mandate or tossed out altogether. However everything I have read says the people who have put the regulation together are confident that will never happen. But lawyers are sneaky SOB's so we will just have to see who is the craftiest. Hopefully OOIDA has some good ones.
     
  3. rocknroll81

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    I think OOIDA will win, listened to a Landline Now radio show with Jon Osburn talking about this, I guess there Attorneys have been on this for a couple of years now, it seems like they have one heck of a Law firm in D.C.
     
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  4. rank

    rank Road Train Member

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    I would be satisfied if they mandated them for carriers with a record of log violations. If a company has their ship tight and no log violations, why should they be made to spend money on this useless garbage? With not a single log violation in 10 years, this law is anti competition for me.
     
  5. rollin coal

    rollin coal Road Train Member

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    I disagree with that rank. If you will recall it was about 10 or 12 years ago when this idea was floated around - "We only want to put EOBR's on carriers who are habitual offenders". That was just the camel's nose under the tent for the REAL purpose which was to force everyone else to install them as well. The government never stops with these sort of things and any time they are given an inch they will go hundreds of miles beyond.

    The history is that they can never trusted with anything. Where does it end? Why can't they just enforce the regulations as are? Why do these extra cost burdens have to be put off onto ANY carrier? Of course we know there are special interests who really run the show in Washington and those are the people who get laws written the way they want for their own profitability.

    This has never been about safety. That can easily be proven. It was about control. Mandatory EOBR will be a step to making the states next dream task of implementing VMT so much easier. These state and federal governments need obstacles to their destructive, corrupted ways and absolutely not to be allowed to get their nose under the tent with anything.

    I'll put it to you this way. You know the old arguments proponents for draconican legislation always use, like for example: "it's for the children" or "it's for clean air" as if you are against these things because you don't support them? That is the same thing with this, the old - "it's for safety" or "it's only for unsafe carriers". That's nonsense because the truth is it's none of those things.

    I'll take it one step farther, the useful idiots who already have EOBR in their trucks and won't be happy until all the rest of us do who say, "well, you must be for running illegal if you don't want EOBR" which of course is also a ludicrous idea.
     
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  6. gokiddogo

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    Yeah nevermind the big carriers have convinced the fmcsa it is a good idea for everyone to have them because "you will save money on office staff and log monitoring". BS! If that were true why would you want your competitions operating costs to be lower? Since they are such good guys why not really "level the playing field" by somehow allowing the single truck independent the ability to buy equipment and fuel at the same price as the huge company can?
     
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  7. rank

    rank Road Train Member

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    We're all on the same page here. I can't disagree with any thing that you guys have written. But why would governments allow logic to influence law.
     
  8. Long FLD

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    Elog equipped truck drove off a bridge in KS yesterday. I did not. Therefore, in my eyes my non-elog truck is safer.

    And that's how you use numbers to prove your point. It goes both ways.
     
  9. rank

    rank Road Train Member

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    Ohh if only I had the time, I would sooooo love to get all the big truck crash data and determine what percentage had e-logs. I would bet that a disproportionate number of e-log trucks cause accidents.

    Why do I think this? Because we have never heard the following...."87% of all at fault trucks were driven by drivers with paper logs."

    You KNOW those numbers have been crunched by someone and you KNOW e-log trucks are at fault most often or we would have heard about it.

    I am sure the OOIDA will be requesting that the FMCSA disclose all their E-log crash data. Which reminds me, I've been meaning to sign up with OOIDA on principle.
     
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  10. Straight Stacks

    Straight Stacks Paper Cha$er

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    If OOIDA is worth a hill of beans, they'll get this thing stopped dead in its tracks.

    I am a life member.
     
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  11. rank

    rank Road Train Member

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    .....maybe I should get a sticker made up for my door.....

    "THIS DRIVER USES PAPER LOGS AND HAS NEVER HAD A LOG VIOLATION"
     
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