CSA 2010 Stats

Actually YOU DON'T have a CSA score with the FMCSA. Vigalo is a third party company that has come up with their own "point" system. Your company may have hired Vigalo to "score" their drivers, too may be see where they need to improve. You how ever don't have a personal CSA score as far as the FMCSA is conserned. If your company is telling you otherwise they are out right lieing. (imagine that).

Even though there is know offical CSA score for drivers there is nothing that keeps a company from coming up with there own bogus score system.

Also on the crash being added, It has to be a DOT reportable crash before it goes on the companies CSA score. Also If when you got the seatbelt ticket unless you recieved and inspection it WILL NOT go against your companies CSA score and will not appear on your PSP. If you don't believe me just look it up at the FMCSA's web site.

 

Thank you TruckerX1.
I was going to post and say the same thing.
Drivers are not rated under CSA2010. Also the audit finds are not on the drivers PSP record either. That is a company thing as well.
As is drivers being ranked within there company. Does not happen by the FMCSA. That is being done by the company.
FMCSA has been saying outright that Vigalo is a scam and is just taking money from company's without being able to do anything for them.

All that is on a drivers PSP (which is their safety info) is data from roadside and scale house inspections.
Yes, the company has access to this when you work for them, but not before you work for them unless you sign and give them permission.

Where company's are going to screw themselves is by hiring all kinds of newer drivers and getting rid of the experienced ones that have a few points.
This is going to open them up to all kinds of issues over time, and in the long run hurt them more. Since they can get rid of all the drivers they want too, they still will keep the points for 2 years.

 

Don't forget the safestat rating guys. Companies DO go by this. The companies have a score on it too.

 

Safestat will be gone by the end of the year.
That is what CSA2010 is for. A system to replace safestat so that ALL company's will be fully accountable for there safety, and none will be able to fly under the radar anymore, as they do on safestat.

Company's are saying that CSA2010 will make the driver more accountable. In reality it will be making the company more accountable.
The driver has always gotten the worst of it before. Now the company gets it as well.

Sure the driver will have to carry points with them, so that company's will know there records better. Nothing wrong with that.
But company's will not be able to run drivers illegal all the time and get away with it anymore. They will be caught. Sure they may get rid of the drivers. But the company will still keep points. And there record will show over time that they are the cause of the drivers issues. And at that point the company will go down.

 

Don't believe everything you have heard.

If it was to truly make companies accountable at the same as drivers, they should have the same look back period and accounting time of 3 years.

 

While it does have a way of making the company more accountable, it's actually more onerous on the driver now. Get a write up on a roadside inspection regarding a tire or lite on the company trailer, YOU now get those points on your little inspection history (and each violation does have a point value, available at this link http://csa2010.fmcsa.dot.gov/Documents/SMSMethodology.pdf#nameddest=T1 ), which now follows you around like a lovesick puppy.

You can bet your bottom dollar that the insurance carriers will devise a "point" thresh hold where a company either has to fire a current driver or not hire an applicant. Not to mention companies with borderline basics numbers who will jettison those who's inspection history is dragging them down.

 

if no one is "keeping score", why did the FMCSA come up with "point" values for every violation?

If no one is "keeping score", why did the FMCSA create the insanely complicated methodology to assign more "points" to some violations and fewer "points" for others?

If no one is "keeping score", why do drivers "points" stay on our record for 3 years, but only 2 years for the carrier?

If no one is "keeping score", then this ENTIRE PROGRAM WOULD BE POINTLESS!!!

My point is: Obviously, somewhere, somehow, someone is "keeping score"!!!
That information will obviously used against us in the future. Don't be so naive, folks!!!

 

You are exactly right sir! When the company explains to the inspector that they have fired the culprits who got those points they will be cleared because they doing something to make their safety rating better. Also,Why out of 7 basics 6 are about the driver and 1 is about the company?

 

The company gets all the points you do.
Yes, they will fall off the company record in 2 years, and you will keep them for 3.
I will repeat again. ANY POINT YOU RECEIVE THE COMPANY DOES AS WELL.
I know in the point list it says driver and company. That is more to show if the driver will get points as well, or if only the company gets those points.
Yes, I have the list. Saved it onto my computer long ago. And I have updated it several times as they have changed them.

Many company's are setting point limits. In time I think they will raise the limits. Simply because they will realize that the limits they are starting with are unrealistic.
I am not worried about this thing at all. Before I read the full program and listened to hours and hours of FMCSA staff answering questions, I was concerned.
Now that I know what it is all about fully, I will not allow myself to act like a scared child over a program that does not effect me.
Sure I will eventually get a few points here and there.
I am not worried about a few points.
My company maintains equipment very well. I keep my logs and paperwork straight, and I run 98% legal.
Because I am running that way I know that the most I will ever get is a few points here and there. This will never add up to enough to hurt me or my carrier.

On the question about the 6 basics being about the driver.
Who else is it about???
The driver is the one on the road. The driver is the one that runs safe or not safe.
How is a person behind a desk being a safety risk?
They cannot hold a gun to your head and tell you to run illegal or in unsafe equipment. You make that decision.
If they are doing those things it is your job to leave that company.

Also, them firing the ones that are running illegal may help them some to get into compliance when they have an unsat rating. It will not solve the issue they have, and it will not lower the company's points.
It will just work as a good faith gesture to the inspectors. And will carry a little weigh, but not much.