USA drivers that drive in Canada

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by LogsRus, Dec 9, 2006.

  1. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    Ok here is a few things you must know starting 1-1-07, although they are giving you 6 months to comply, if they notice intentional violaters they will fine you! This is a tricky situation, but mostly they will tell you the new rules and give you a warning, and in Canada they will be all computerized so that means, if you get stopped 1 hour and get a warning, it will be entered in the computer so if you get stopped and it isn't corrected they will know to give you a fine!

    You must have the following on the logs:

    1) You must state what cycle you are doing; Cycle 1 ) 7 day/70 hours on duty, if you follow the US regs you will be fine using cycle 1 and Cycle 2 14/120 (I would suggest staying on US regs unless you drive more on the Canadian side.
    2) You must write your odometer readings on your log sheets every day while in US and in Canada so this will be a daily requirment if you "might" go to Canada
    3) You need to write down the odometer reading of any personal use (beginning and ending) and what they will do is ask you what, where, why and all the border questions and more probably of where you was, this is a way for them to find terroist I guess so he lead us all to believe.
    4) You will need a 24 hour consecutive period off (sleeper/off duty) within the previous 14 days. It does not have to be a 1 day period. If you had a 34 or 36 this would count for the 24 hour break.
    5) Canada recognizes a 36 hour restart instead of the 34. If you are a driver who "might" go to Canada you should start taking a 36 hour break to be prepared.

    I can't remember anything else right now, but I will sure let you know!

    Oh yeah the pre-trip/post-trip is changing, hasn't yet, but shortly will

    I know they are going to require all drivers to have an inspection form (140 checks) to be filled out monthly. This 140 checks is things you already do, but the are listed out so you can check them off (kind of like a check list). But it must be on the truck, we have ours placed in the log book itself! You may want to go with more stylish log books (call JJ Keller)
    This way allot of it can be pre-printed if possible!
    If you have any questions please ask, I do know a littel/lot about their HOS regulations,ALTHOUGH I am learning them, I think I have a clear understanding of them! FINALLY!

    I do know you can't drive more than 13 hour in a 24 hour period so if you split break in the USA I believe you can go over the 13 hours of driving at some point, so you definetly can't have your driving time total more than 13 hours, and you must have a 10 hour break in that 24 hour period (their 10 hour break is like our split) It must be 8 in the sleeper and 2 hours, but their 2 hour can be in increments of 30 minutes or more! so you could have 4 increments of 30 minutes and that is your 2 hour break! So nice! There is other tricky stuff you can do!

    I SAY THE EASIEST IS TO STAY UNDER USA REGS SO YOU ARE NOT IN VIOLATION IN CANADA, BUT THERE IS A FEW THINGS NOW THAT CAN CAUSE YOU TO BE IN VIOLATIONS JUST BY FOLLOWING THE USA REGS! :smt036
     
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  3. jcash_fan

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    Ok i just cut from the quote what im now sure about. I wanted to ask about the cycle thing. Do you guys not have cycles in the US?

    One more thing im not too too sure about right now but i can get back to you on in a few hours is that i belive that canada is going with a law so we only get 11 hours rather than 13.
     
  4. jcash_fan

    jcash_fan Bobtail Member

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    Sorry actually I may be wrong on the 11 hour rule. Not too sure though i will still come back when i find out for sure. I am not a driver as of yet so that is why i dont have a definite answer. I just get most of my information from truck mags and whatnot and just trying to help where i can. ​
     
  5. keelady

    keelady Light Load Member

    Wow. And I didn't think anybody could top the US HOS rules when it came to confusion. Once again, I am proved wrong.
     
  6. LogsRus

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    Yeah I know just imagine having to know USA Regs and Canadian Regs. Imagine being a log auditor, I don't have to audit for the Canadian HOS regs at this point, but I do know 3 ladies who do! :smt026
    have a great day
     
  7. LogsRus

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    Please do check to make sure, but US has the 11 hour rule; now if you are allowed to switch rules then you follow the 11 because of USA, but double check to make sure this guy didn't tell us wrong or I may have slept during that discussion :blackeye:! But I believe it is like this 13,14 & 16 hour rule and the cycle rules as discussed above. They may have an 11 hour rule for local, I didn't listen to that part cause I don't deal with the local drivers in Canada I have other ladies do that. Keep me posted in what you learn or any material that might be usefull to me would be greatly appreciated. Thats on US or Canada regs
     
  8. The_Rev

    The_Rev Light Load Member

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    Canada also has a 36 hour reset rule where US has a 34.
     
  9. LogsRus

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    Yeah I forgot to mention that! I will be putting something together and it will state the difference (that everyone needs to know) between USA & Canada. This really bites for those who don't run Canada allot, but may run there, cause of the 34 hour restart (36 in Canada) grrrr. Why couldn't we just agree/them on 2 hour difference to make your guys life much easier!:smt001
     
  10. DanJ

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    Here's the quote out of the Canda Gazette (which is the government publication detailing new laws), which contains all 33 pages of the new HOS laws, in answer to why not harmonization with the US;

     
  11. LogsRus

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    No USA does not have cycles: It all works about the same really. Once we work 11 or 14 we take 10 and start all over! If the 70 hour allows us!

    No Canada has 13 hour driving (can not drive over 13 hours in your work shift) 14 hours (can not drive past the 14 th hour; Unless you take a 2 hour break during your 14 hour period) 16 hour (no driving past 16 hours (if you have the 2 hour break)
    That is a quick (short & sweet version)
     
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