A pretrip and a postrip are essentially the same thing.It covers the same items
If you are on the same truck and trailer all of the time, it is almost redundant, but it is still required. It is just a matter of paperwork. If you drop and hook equipment, you are supposed to make a pretrip insp. on every trailer that you hook to.
I log a pretrip on my log page, at sometime during my day. I know of no regulation that states that it "has" to be done at the start of my day. (I am an O/O with the same equipment all of the time). At the end of my day I fill out the inspection sheet on the back side of my log page, noting any discrepencies and or repairs made during the day. As of yet, I have not problem doing it this way.
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Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by LogsRus, Jan 4, 2007.
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§392.7 Equipment, inspection and use. No commercial motor vehicle shall be driven unless the driver is satisfied that the following parts
It states no commercial vehicle shall be "driven" unless the driver has satisfied that the following parts (blah blah). SO before you get behind the wheel you should check the equipment, I would hate for something to be wrong and you get 1 mile down the road and something bad happens to you. You are an o/op so you have more to lose than a company drivers. What I can't do is change your ways unless you see what I have posted, which is fine with me I am just here to try and help drivers out. Doing the post-trip on line 4 saves (most times) your 14 hour clock, because you can be on line 4 past your 14 hour, so doing a thorough post-trip save you time/money, in many cases the truck can be getting repaired while you are taking your 10 hour break. That is my theory, I don't care if you are o/op or company. I do feel you have more to lose becuase it is you truck etc. -
Being an O/O I I in total control of my equipment. I know at any given time what is wrong with it. I do a constant "pretrip" as the day progresses Checking under the hood at fuel stops and other times when I am sitting waiting for one reason or another. Checking tires and visual inspection everytime I stop.... It is a continuous "pretrip.
How can I use line 4 for a psot when my 14 hours are up??? Does this not violate the 14 hour rule as it is on duty time?? I am curious about that one -
The thing is to drive right up to your 14 hour, you must be able to have some where to stop @ that 14 hour mark. Regardless though you ARE allowed to be on line 4 past your 14 hour.
Now does this mean line 4 doesn't count against your 14 (NO IT COUNTS)
Lines 1,2,3 & 4 count against your 14 (as I showed above when your 14 hour ends) but after the 14th hour DOT does not want you to drive a commercial motor vehicle and risk killing a car full of kids etc. With that said he doesn't care if you break a leg fueling your truck .
I have an example of the 11 & 14 and my example shows being on line 4 past the 14 hour so you can see a picture/explination.
If you want I can copy & paste the reg also. Sorry so long winded,but I want to make sure you understand although you are saying right now she is full of ****. (I am learning LUV ) -
This link should take you to several examples of the 11 & 14 hour rule. The sample # 2 shows where the driver is on line 4 past the 14th hour. Notice on day 2 the driver is in violation of their 11 hour, that came after his 10 hour break that cleared the prior day. This sample he drove 12 hours straight BAD DRIVER:
Sample 3: He was on line 4 past the 14th hour which was fine, but he took off driving. He should have stayed on line 4 or taken his 10 before he drove.
There is about 8 examples.
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Going back to the original topic, one of my customer's almost got an unsatisfactory rating because 1 driver did not perform a post trip inspection. That was 1 driver out of 14 drivers. BTW, all drivers were owner operators using my customer's operating authority, most of us know DOT does not care who's the actual owner of the vehicle but my customer did not understand this and never checked for a post trip inspection.
OTR drivers that go into Canada need to do both, post and pre trip inspections. Pre trip for Canadian authorities, post trips for US authorities. -
My former company had a policy of flagging the pre-trip and logging 15 minutes for the post trip. My logs were checked every month and the inspections were always in compliance, I suspect that in the US at least, logging an inspection during a day if you are actually driving satisfies the regulators that you at least did inspect your equipment. In six months of hauling live birds on heavy spread axle trailers, I have had one tire failure, that I did catch pre-trip, but was over-ruled by the shop on fixing it before departing. I had another on a tandem trailer that I didn't catch pre-trip, but that tire was properly inflated and simply failed. I had a nail in a drive tire that I caught before going out with it. I have not lost wheels or had any bearings fail while on the road.
Lights can be trouble, especially where they use that liquid salt as preventative on the roads in the upper mid-west.
I was also instructed to log the post trip during fueling operations, as I usually fueled close to the end of the trip. This was done to save time so I had more time left to drive later in the eight days.
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I haven't gotten a straight answer due to they haven't changed the requirments yet. I don't know what they are changing at that!
Glad to hear someone else is on the same page about the pre & post! :smt023 I think we are anyhow? -
Doing your post-trip when you stop for fuel isn't really the proper way, it is supposed to be done @ the completion of the day. But usually DOT(on the road) just looks for it to be on the log during a 24 hour period, which isn't what they should be doing. When DOT does an internal audit they want to see them right before you get behind the wheel and right when you stop driving at the end of the day. Also saving time while you fuel, the rule is when you fuel your truck you are supposed to be standing with the pump the whole time; therefore you can't be doing a post & fuel in 15 minutes, it would take at least 30 minutes (remember this isn't affecting your 14 hour if done at the END of the day, however it will still be counted towards your 70 hour). I am sure if you have gotten by with it, most will let you, but when it gets to the nitty gritty you may not get by with it??? AT least you are doing your inspections!!!! -
So how about leaving at 2345, is flagging a pre-trip enough, or do I need to log a quarter hour or more?
AJ
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