Comments on SNPRM about eobrs

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Tazz, May 12, 2012.

  1. revelation1911

    revelation1911 Heavy Load Member

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    I find that anything thats intrusive to me needs to made unintrusive and try to accomplish thta everytime I get a chance.
    Those who bend over will only get screwed more.
    I very seldon every drive ever get my eleven hours in a day.
    It don't stop me form seeing the real big picture and trying to take action before hand. I'm bothered by these people cause they try and emforce what they don't legally and lawfully claim to be doing.
    Like the pots calling kettles black?
     
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  3. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    No simpleton. The USC does not" trump" anything. Alll laws,rules and regulations must be written in compliancce with the USC.

    Oh we have several that come and go that even with financial penalties for recieving log book violations just will not do their job. My vote was we fire them, my boss however feels just placing them on elogs to avoid the 85% of our fatigued citations. Those being form and manner for missing info, and the huge one log book not current. Our biggest spike came as we closed another company and folded their drivers into ours. They kinda thought like you do. Most of them aare no longer here but their records remain with us.

    So to answer your question no not a poster boy. We probably have a core group of 175 to 200 that are up to speed, 50 that just slog through but fill a space for us and 50 roll overs that just do not get the program.

    What your issues contain is irrelevant. You iknew the laws and regs when you asked for your authority. Now you choose to attempt to circumvent them. That is duplicity or lying if you will.You are basically demanding someone provide you a road and refusing to pay full price for it. You knew 395 was there, you knew compliance was mandatory. A lie of omission is still a lie especially as the regulations specifically name the information you must maintain and release upon demand. So yeah your "I do not have to incriminate myself" argument holds no water as it pertains to 395 including whatever number the EOBR regualtion takes.
     
  4. revelation1911

    revelation1911 Heavy Load Member

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    Thats a stupid statement laws are written all the time that are unconstitutional and the USC does trump them when they are tossed. You have said the samething I already said just reversing words. The eobr issue has been kicked once already.
    You want to fire everyone who doesn't share your same ideas and dreams of the trucking industry, you'd really make a good king ray-ray lahood employee. History is filled with people that are like minded with you that will go along with anything, ones that come to mind are the 6,000,000 that went to hitlers barbque debacle. I like to think people like mined with my way of thinking are those who will erect plaques in memory of those like you.


    First an ommision isn't a lie, you need to look it up if in doubt. Forgetting or leaving something out isn't circumventing either it's just not there, plain and simple. You keep making it seem like it's in the rules it's not. or not yet.
    The only judicual rulling the issue has had already it was tossed on harrassement issues. Even ooida has made it known and filed on 4th and 5th issues too. Only you can't see it. Let me make it real simple for you to understand. It would be like having to write a report to the police stating you're going to rob the local bank before doing so, thats self incrimination.
    You sound like someone who has to use one of these great marvels(eobr) and think everyone should join in your misery?
     
  5. texan007

    texan007 Medium Load Member

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    TAZZ apparently you just like, like I have stated before on here, like big government! Some of us fully understand what this does to freedom and we don't like it! Simpleton! Really? You can act like a patriot but you are not.
    Our Constitution IS NOT SOMETHING that should not/ is not fluid, ever changing.

    But once again because someone disagrees with you you do what every liberal does....take the higher moral ground and DARE someone to disagree, right? CHEAP CHILDISH TACTICS.

    This is how it always goes with people of your type! Your simple one of the people who would rather have someone make decisions FOR YOU. Lazy, careless, drivers who cannot pay attention long enough to write their own name is who needs these regs. Now will they benefit many other smart, careful, good intentioned drivers sure. Do they rape everybody in the process, absolutely.

    Almost every country when it gets large enough turns towards socialism, why because enough people with low wages, no real ambition, education or knowledge of WORLD HISTORY are easily "brainwashed"(as Eric Holder put it) into believing that everyone with any money is UNFAIRLY profiting off them.

    I will not engage in name calling because apparently this is reserved for you, is it not, or is this just me being a simpleton?

    The fact that you are happy to be tracked, not trusted, your privacy not just invaded but gone,think that everyone who disagrees with you is a cheat, criminal and untrustworthy TO ME says no only did you drink the kool-aid you MADE IT.

    This is a blatant abuse of authority, a disgrace to our constitution, an insult to the right of presumption of innocence! As others have stated our founding fathers would have surely seen this as the beginning of the end. If you cannot see this your most likely OK with the Communist Manafesto,
    If not then your, at the very least, just a confused citizen.

    Where your from maybe this sort of "nanny state legislation" is acceptable. Here it is not!

    Since the VAST majority of citizens have no clue about trucking laws and regs I took some of the harder to digest laws to church with me one Sunday. We were having a discussion about another topic obviously but I wanted to get the opinions of reasonable people in my area, only one of which had anything to do with trucking. They used the following words(yes I wrote them down) "flabbergasted", "scary", 'wow I had no idea there was even a problem", "your joking right", "I fought against this in WW II", "I'm afraid we are about take that plunge over the cliff", "WONDER WHO IS NEXT"

    The last comment is indeed the real question "(I) WONDER WHO IS NEXT" So you may think MOST people agree with you but no matter how many people tell you otherwise your gonna stick to your higher moral ground and not listen to us.

    Its OK with people like you if this country changes into something scary, socialist, communist or worse because in your distorted view of things YOUR THE GOOD GUY, YOU GO ALONG.

    AFTER our last discussion on the topic I realized something my problem is much less with the laws and regs than it is with you, and your kind. Its people like you molding this country into something you view as UTOPIA. You chasing an UNREALISTIC GOAL.

    Your VISION of a UTOPIA where everybody does what they are told, NO ONE ever gets hurt, never breaks the laws, pays enough in taxes that EVERYBODY gets healthcare and bla,bla,bla,bla WILL NEVER HAPPEN.


    IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!

    YOU just don't get it and never will what comes next is terrifying, if enough people like you continue to vote for all this nonsense YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE.

    I do fell for you Tazz, I wish there was something I could do to help but alas this is a road you and the cronies will need to walk with each other.

    I just PRAY that in your lifetime you develop enough self -actualization to think for yourself become a real man and think "WHAT THE HECK HAVE I/WE DONE!"

    I'm sure you'll blast me with your PSEUDO INTELLECTUALISM, and come back with all you can which is the weak "well if you were not doing anything wrong..etc" waaaaaa waaaaaa waaaa

    You think our side is whinnying, criminals, who WANT TO GO OUT AND ENDANGER LIVES AND CHEAT.

    In reality our MINDSET is what BUILT this country what made it GREAT we are REPRESENTATIVE of was this country STOOD FOR in the very conception,thereof.

    You attemping to change this great country into your view of UTOPIA is like a disease to freedom, a cancer and yes it is spreading like wildfire because it ALWAYS does! It turns a people against one another, makes them feel as though they have been cheated.....why because something as powerful as freedom CAN NEVER be faced HEAD ON. It must be eroded from within!

    I'm sure there are large numbers of governments through the world who are delighted in your efforts because as Doris lessing stated "I was taken around and shown things as a "Useful idiot"....that's what my role was. I can't understand why I was so gullible"

    Your being led around to your own demise and you like it! That is the scary thing...you like it! Why because the propaganda works on many people some wake up others do not.

    It must be great feeling to the MOST HONORABLE, HONEST, TRUSTWORTHY, RESPECTFUL, INTELLIGENT GROUP IN TRUCKING.....wow y'all are changing the world...yeeeepeeee

    Enjoy it while it lasts......your so "USEFUL' .......right. You enjoy being the ANTAGONIST, stoking the fire, making fun of other drivers.

    Y'all give me another infraction if you want just remember this MEMBER posted these comments SIMPLY to make fun of his fellow driver.....even though he must view himself as LOOKING DOWN AT THE SIUATION......he is still but a driver.

    Most of the gentlemen who disagree with you, if you noticed, are INDEPENDENT BUSINESS OWNERS, so they have A LOT MORE AT STAKE than you I'm betting and a deeper understanding of what is means to be FREE.

    I could go on all day spitting on your grandiose, self righteousness, oppressive, appalling attempts to CHASTISE AND ANNOY your peers but I shall end my tirade here with these words from

    THOMAS JEFFERSON
    "What country can preserve it liberties if its rulers are not warned that their people preserve the spirit of resistance"
    'I am not a friend of a very energetic government. Its always oppressive."

    Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, should we soon want bread!"

    And for this set of regs.

    'TIMID MEN PREFER THE CALM OF DESPOTISM TO THE TEMPESTUOUS SEA OF LIBERTY"

    This is a founding father.......who are yall
     
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  6. revelation1911

    revelation1911 Heavy Load Member

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    I think you nailed it, he's just a driver and not a business owner and the big companies would rather raise profits than hiring drivers that can form complete thoughts. This is why we are seeing more and more regulations, the pilots and wal marts gobbling up the small business and the demise of the truly independent business owner.
     
  7. texan007

    texan007 Medium Load Member

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    This is what I see also and many really will one day step back, or be PUSHED BACK, and think BECAUSE THAT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SAY IT OUT LOUD " What have we done"

    Till then they can just keep pointing fingers and saying "he did it"
     
  8. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    Sure am glad you two can do my thinking for me.

    First there is no utopia, nor am I seeking one. Quite funny in fact to be accused of this by people openly confessing they believe the fantasies of reaching one in their quaint fairy tales. But I digress.

    I know it is all in vogue with the spectacle of elections coming up to wrap your beleaguered little thoughts in grandiose sayings from the past. But they are irrelevant. Oh I am sure you gave a one sided question to bolster your beliefs. People in general gravitate to individuals sharing their views because free thought is scary to those needing reassurance for their thoughts. The entire basis for all religions is behind that fact but that is for another discussion.


    Here are some simple facts.

    It is within the governments scope to build, maintain, and regulate use of the roads we use. There are varying levels of oversight and use. We (the people operating CMV) fall into our own separate category. You ask to be part of that category and in doing so agree to abide the rules set forth.

    Words mean things so saying the USC trumps something is false. It is false because it is an oversimplification. The USC is a frame work the government must operate within(they do not but I'll discuss that later). When they write a law or regulation it can be challenged for it's constitutionality but it is not arbitrarily trumped simply because the USC exists. Regardless the FMCSR's are found to be within that framework including part 395 and RODS. Now since an EOBR is a newer technology harder to cheat RODS(Yes yes not impossible but harder) and are being mandated to increase compliance with an existing FMCSR they too fall into the framework of the USC.

    Now if you have a better way of doing that job put it out there. If you feel a law or regulation is in violation feel free to file a suit.


    Now let's poke a few holes in the rest of that bilge.

    I want an immediate repeal of all social programs. These are to include Government School's, Social Security, Medical Programs(Medicare, Medicaid, DEPT of Health, Planned Parenthood), Food Stamps, WIC, Price Supports, The Entire FDA, 90% of the USDA, AFDC(or whatever the new buzz word for welfare payments is), and SSDI.

    All of those force at the point of a gun value from one person to give to another. That is a true immorality of forced servitude.

    I want a truly "fair" tax system. That would be the simple non-graduated tax system of taking the "Bill" for running this country and dividing between any one reaching the age of majority and each paying their share of that. Now when I address that taxation I am referring to federal taxes of course. Local Municipalities would be responsible for financing whatever services they wish but local issues such as police,fire, hospitals, parks, surface roads would no longer receive any federal funding.


    I want an immediate end to all these insipid wars. No not the defense of this country I am referring to the War on Drugs(That is a personal choice if people want to use let them), The War on Illiteracy(Really if people are to ignorant to educate themselves seems like their problem), The War on Terror(Most fools do not see the Patriot Act for the piece of trash it is), The War on Teenage Pregnancy(Well just allowing them to face their consequences would be cruel huh?), The War on Breast Cancer(No I am not making that one up. How the **** do you declare war on a disease?) The War on Prostate Cancer(See before!!), The War on Poverty ( I got nothing for this one except "JUST ####")............................

    Oh people designate all kinds of insipid movements "Wars" to build support. If you want to use it as a marketing campaign fine. Wasting my governments time having them declare a war earns my ire.

    I want an immediate repeal of the 17th amendment. It is a farce that the Government of Peru has an official representative in Washington DC and The Great State of Tennessee does not. The basis for the Senate was a check against becoming a defacto democracy.

    An end to the Federal Reserve. Heck if I am gonna come up with a wish list that is very near the top. The only thing Jackson got right was his disbanding of them.

    Get us out of all international agencies(UN, NATO, WFO, G8,G12,G24.......(Whatever number they have achieved))

    Yes are government is tasked with international treaties with Congressional and State Over-site. However worrying with others internal conflicts, regulating others scientific research (eg: Iran right now), drought, famine, plague.............Nope not defined as our responsibility.


    Am I still a liberal? A conservative? Marxist? Jack Booted Thug or Tye Dyed Hippie Liberal?

    How about a man who simply applies the fading craft of logic?

    Do yourselves a favor as your limiting your mental capacity searching for labels, think. Quit trying to pigeon hole people into some group.
     
  9. Stump

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    EOBR's are a joke! When i was leased onto a major carrier i had one. They did more cheating on that EOBR so i could get loads picked up then i ever did on a paper log. So if you are one of those clowns that want one, great, go work somewhere that has them. But EOBR's don't have one thing to do with saftey. They are just a cattle prod for companys to bug you while your sleeping.

    This is just the truth from someone who had one, but now gets more rest without that stupid thing in my truck now.
     
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  10. texan007

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    So your idea is to allow them to increase their power in one area and take away others!

    Who is applying logic?! If you give them more power they take it and run with it. Almost every thing you spoke of I 100% agree with but your just NOT APLLYING LOGIC if you think for ONE SECOND they would stop. With the FMCSA haven't you figured out yet WE ARE ALWAYS THE BETA TEST!

    They try it one us if they get away with it they turn to EVERYONE ELSE and start taking their freedoms. Trucks allow almost every dreamed up control system our government can make up and apply!

    When we don't stop our trucks and say THAT IS IT....BOOM PANDORIA'S BOX

    Give them total control over us and SOON VERY SOON everybody gets to play the game!

    All the systems you stated started, almost all, off small and then expanded into something ALL POWERFUL.

    Giving the government more control is NOT THE ANSWER. Its just not logical!

    Tazz really YOU THINK ABOUT IT.

    The men who founded our country are meaningless....wow! Powerful words ....right back to square one.

    You are a scary dude Tazz, everyone is who has the mindset....just keep making laws as long as they benefit ME, that's exactly how we got here.

    Your completely unreasonable! Think son, think!

    INCREASING POWER UNLEASHES THE BEAST

    WE ARE THE BETA TEST....FROM HERE IT GROWS.

    Now I agree with much of what you say and if you actually have those views then THIS TOPIC should be easy for you too see, but your blinded by yourself.

    I'm being logical here think about it every other thing you listed is just like this .......government out of control.

    Are you just uoset because o/o don't have this devices in their trucks yet and your saying "waaaa waaaaa they don't have to have eobr's but i don't its not fair( even though the EXACT INFO IS RECORDED), I'm taking my toys and going home"

    This is what it sounds like. But the very fact that you attack us and call us stupid is what makes me so upset. So if i don't think like you I'm JUST NOT EVOLVED, SMART.....again cheap, childish....and I'm beginning to think your NOT that guy.

    If you ACTUALLY BELIEVE ALL THE OTHERS THINGS YOU STATED ........JUST USE LOGIC THIS IS NO DIFFERENT.

    SPIT OUT THE KOOL-AID YOUR ALMOST THERE DRIVER.

    Maybe go out and buy a truck then think about it!

    WE AGREED TO GO BY FMCSA RULES WHEN WE GOT OUR AUTHORITY.......NOT ANYTHING THEY COULD DREAM UP....
     
  11. Meltom

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    If a company is going to harass your they're going to harass you. It doesn't matter what kind of technology they use.
     
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