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    Link to log book examples on new hours of service! Goes into effect 7/1/2013

    Click on the below link or copy and paste into browser.
    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/

    Click on "hours of service" or there is also the below you can click on
    New Hours-of-Service Final Rule
    Effective Date: February 27, 2012
    Compliance Date for Selected Provisions:
    July 1, 2013

    to the right, you will see Questions and Answers (always highly suggested to read those!)
    then you can see log book examples.

    Do not read "Passenger carrying" one's if you are not carrying passengers! Many drivers make that mistake and that's why they get in trouble with DOT l.o.l.


    The examples will go through the original 11,14,70 and the new regulations.
    which if you click below you will see the basic changes without detail information

    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul.../hos/index.htm

    Please ask questions if you have them!
    I wanted to start a new thread on this since it's new and some drivers are not aware! Start reading, studying and asking questions now!
    Be ready! Plus you will help me think of questions I may need to be prepared to answer to drivers l.o.l.

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    To read only the new changes:

    5 through 15 on the examples!

    This link will also show you split breaking. Which due to the 30 minute break, I feel you should split break.
    Take another 1.5 hr break, then when you are due your 10 hour break all you do is take an 8 hr SLEEPER break, then you can drive again.
    run those hours then take another 2 hr break.
    If you do the 10 consecutive, you will now be taking 10.5 hr breaks instead of 10.

    Just my 2 cents but hey I have preached split breaking is best for a driver anyhow.
    why? Because you drive a little, take a 2 hour break, drive a little take an 8 hr break, drive a little take a 2 hr break and so on and on.
    You are getting a break (more than 30) from the crazy 4 wheelers like me

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    I've also used split breaking effectively, but find it confuses most drivers. I've even worked at large companies where the people in charge of monitoring logs and teaching qualcomm entry did not understand it !!

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    okay, I have a question on the new "one 34 hour restart per week rule". let's say you work somewhere that is OTR or regional but generally gets you home every weekend. However, one week you do not get home til Saturday afternoon at 3 pm.

    No problem, you go off duty at 3 pm Saturday, you remain off duty through the 1am to 5 am period Sunday morning as well as the 1 am to 5 am period Monday morning and then you start at 7 am Monday with a fresh 70 hour clock. that part is fine.

    However, the following weekend you get home on friday night. Now, can you take a 34 hour break using the 1am to 5am periods Sat morning and Sun morning to qualify ? Remember, only one restart per week. Since this would technically be 6 days and not 7, does it work ? Or do you have to wait til Monday morning again to get the restart ?

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    i think i got a headache from trying to read all these new rules and trying to decipher them (but then im a local guy, so i never knew them to begin with lol)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannythetrucker View Post
    okay, I have a question on the new "one 34 hour restart per week rule". let's say you work somewhere that is OTR or regional but generally gets you home every weekend. However, one week you do not get home til Saturday afternoon at 3 pm.

    No problem, you go off duty at 3 pm Saturday, you remain off duty through the 1am to 5 am period Sunday morning as well as the 1 am to 5 am period Monday morning and then you start at 7 am Monday with a fresh 70 hour clock. that part is fine.

    However, the following weekend you get home on friday night. Now, can you take a 34 hour break using the 1am to 5am periods Sat morning and Sun morning to qualify ? Remember, only one restart per week. Since this would technically be 6 days and not 7, does it work ? Or do you have to wait til Monday morning again to get the restart ?
    You'd have to wait til 168 hrs after the start of the last restart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sublime View Post
    You'd have to wait til 168 hrs after the start of the last restart.
    the first restart period began at 3pm on a Saturday. 168 hrs later is also Saturday at 3pm. So this is when you can begin another restart period ?

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    Ok so no matter what you MUST take 30mi off duty not driving Within the first 8 hours it can be at anytime before the first 8

    So if I'm on duty driving for 1 hour than take 3 hours off duty not driving before I pull out I can take 30min off duty than pull out and I'm good until I run out of time 11/14?

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    Well it can confuse some, however it does not confuse me l.o.l. It's very very very easy!
    If you are on e-logs, the summary tab will tell you how many hours you have to drive/work.
    If it doesn't change after a 2 hour break, then you can look after you get 8 hours IN THE SLEEPER!

    8 hours will extend the 14 hour clock ( 8 hour break must be in the sleeper, do not use off duty driving during the 8 hr sleeper brk)
    2 hours will not extend the 14 hour clock but works with any 8 hours in the sleeper. 2 hour break can be
    1) off duty 2 hour
    2) sleeper 2 hours
    3) off duty/sleeper combination for 2 hours

    if you do an 8 & 2 hour break, the driving/working time prior to the last 8/2 hr break is still counting against you or for you.
    If you have a 2 & 8 hr break, then go to the end of the 2 hour break, count over 22 hours. That's when your 14 hour clock ends.
    If you have a 8 & 2 hr break, then go to the end of the 8 hour break, count over 14 hours. That's when your 14 hour clock ends.

    Now driving time:
    Add up driving time in between the 8 & 2

    do this math
    11-(above answer)=driving hours you can do before the 14th hour you calculated above.
    that simple.

    split breaking is extending your 14 hour clock by 8 hours or more: So if you sleep 8.5 hours, then you actually count over 22.5 hours from the end of the previous 2 hour break.

    Study split breaking, draw pictures or do it real life and see how much you understand and when you do, you will realize, wow it's so easy .

    Just saying . I agree most auditors won't learn or explain (laziness I must say is the most part)

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    Your example is confussing me. If you start working @ 10:00 am, your 14 ends @ 12:00 am.
    If I drive 1 hour, break for 3 hours (30 minutes or more of a break so that's a 30 minute break) total of 4 hours now, you can not drive 10 hours because now you will have driven more than 8 hours without a 30 minute break. I would have to stop driving some where in there in take a 30 minute break. You wouldn't be in violation of the 11/14 but you would on the rest break

    Good example! If you take that 30 minute break to soon, you may need another 30 minute break! Thanks I hope my brain is working properly.

    Point is, they don't want a driver driving the truck without a 30 minute break after working/driving for 8 hours.

    So if I was on-duty for 6 hours, drove 3 hours, I would be in violation as well because after 8 hours I need a 30 minute brk. Kind of like a lunch break most companies require. See example 1. Driver didn't drive 8 hours but he/she worked/drove a total of 8 hours, then needed the 30 minute break, they didn't take the 30 minute break therefore they are in violation.

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