Fatigued Professional Drivers... and Their Enforcers

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Sharps5090, Jan 12, 2014.

  1. Sharps5090

    Sharps5090 Light Load Member

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    The 1am - 5am thing was created by bureaucrats that needed to have position justification. I mean after all, everyone knows that you get your best sleep at night, right?

    I'm waiting for law enforcement officers to have the same rules instituted. I can guarantee you there are just as many badly fatigued police officers as there are truckers - especially on departments that work their people on 12 hour shifts. This thread is not intended to spark a debate on law enforcement, only to raise discussion re: the disparity of regulation on one group and those tasked with enforcing the regulations... Cops have a dangerous and risk filled profession. They are responsible for making split second decisions that could affect the lives of others, with the expectation that the decisions they make will be correct, 100% of the time. Should they fail to make those decisions correctly people could, and probably will, die. Sounds kind of like lines from the J.J. Keller "Professional Driver" training video series, doesn't it?


    Think of it this way: presume that you area a police officer that works night shift on a 12 hour schedule. You wake up at 4:30pm for a 6pm shift start, get something to eat, drive to work (30 minutes), hit roll call, and then on the road (Cumulative 1.5 Hours). Work 12 hours (Cumulative 13.5). Drop off paperwork, change out of uniform, kibbitz for a couple minutes at the station - say 15 minutes. (Cumulative 13.75 hours). Drive home (cumulative 14.25 hours). That's before any sleep cycle starts. Now put that guy or gal into court for 4 hours during the day, before they go back to work. The 14.25 magically becomes 18 or more hours of time awake before they go back for their next work cycle - with limited time available for sleep. Oh, and by the way - their shifts are scheduled and hard cast, not often they can say "Hey, Sarge / Lt - I need to get my 10 hour break in before I can go back on duty. You'll just need to hold those calls for a while..." That's considered a bold career move... :)


    Patiently waiting for someone in DC to institute the LEO Log Book requirements. But I won't be holding my breath...
     
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  3. Chinatown

    Chinatown Road Train Member

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    There will always be time to harass truckers, especially with quotas and so many towns needing money in these hard economic times. Truckers are cash cows so there will always be time for them.
     
  4. mickeyrat

    mickeyrat Road Train Member

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    I understand your point but your formula is wrong in regards to court time, that time takes the place of "onduty" time during thier shift. But I would add if they were on a call at the end of shift, THAT would have to be extended to complete paperwork etc....


    I see very poor driving habits from LEO's around trucks and others.

    I believe there should be a major section of testing/knowledge/skill about operating around trucks before license issuance for all drivers.
     
  5. Jokingypsy

    Jokingypsy Medium Load Member

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    They tell us we can't use a cellphone while we drive, and they use laptop computers while they do! They drive aggressively, and alot of them are raging alcoholics. They should have to keep log books just like we do. When they wreck the company ride, they should be fired like e are. I do beleive they have to take ransoms at least. Most of the police I have met have been really great people, but when you meet one that's an a-hole, I guess it makes you stereotype them all, not unlike us truckers.
     
  6. jbatmick

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    I would like to see the accidents per million miles of LEO officers, both on and off duty, compared to ours. Some have very poor driving habits, especially not using turn signals.
     
  7. Starboyjim

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    I believe that "one size fits all" rules are bound to be unfair. How many drivers make a living driving in the early morning, open roads, little or no traffic issues, and don't have a problem scheduling their rest periods for a time when everybody else is driving? I guess a driver could schedule his 34hr clock so he could roll over and keep driving. I do. Most of the time, so the 1-5am rule is only occasionally a pain.
     
  8. TwinStickPeterbilt

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    I agree with everything said so far. They try to crawl up my steer to pull over some one, it's horrible they can't drive. I like how if he jumps in front of me and locks them up it's my fault I went over top of him and crushed him. I remember one came off the ramp and got infront of me and I lost him under the hood of that Pete. I never backed out of I was just hoping he would tap the brakes. He eventually got off, probably giving me the finger.


    for clarification I never hit him but I was really close.
     
  9. cabwrecker

    cabwrecker The clutch wrecker

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    (Prepare for a large dose of sarcasm)

    HOW DARE YOU INSULT LAW ENFORCEMENT, THEY'RE JOB IS TO PROTECT US, NOT TO BOTHER US- NOT TO HASSLE US. I LOVE LAW ENFORCEMENT, I LOVE THE GOVERNMENT, WITHOUT A LEO EYEBALLING ME EVERY 4,000 MILES IN A SCALEHOUSE WHAT WOULD I DO?! ARE YOU INSINUATING THAT I MIGHT ACTUALLY GET MY JOB DONE BETTER!?
    AND ANOTHER THING, COP'S DON'T GET TIRED- THAT'S RIGHT, AND ACCORDINGLY THEY SHOULDN'T BE SUBJECT TO DOT LAWS BECAUSE THEY'RE THE LAW ONTO THEMSELVES.

    In all seriousness, LEO's need to be bound by the same laws we are. This crap with speeding and talking on the cell phones while driving (But don't forget! they have special training that allows them to talk while driving! :biggrin_2554:) needs to end. I've seen cops driving down the road that genuinely make me wonder if they have a bottle of whiskey in their hands. Something needs to be done, I don't want a fatigued LEO running off the interstate and slamming into my house which is conveniently located next to a major thoroughfare.
     
  10. Mev

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    According to preliminary statistics released today by the FBI, 47 law enforcement officers were feloniously killed in the line of duty in 2012. The total number of officers killed is 25 fewer than the 72 officers who died in 2011. By region, 22 officers were killed as a result of criminal acts that occurred in the South, eight officers in the West, six officers in the Northeast, five officers died due to incidents in the Midwest, and six officers were killed in the U.S. territories of Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands.


    By circumstance, 12 officers died from injuries inflicted while investigating suspicious persons or circumstances, eight who died were conducting traffic pursuits or stops, five were engaged in tactical situations, and five officers were killed as a result of ambushes (four due to entrapment/premeditated situations and one during an unprovoked attack). Four officers’ deaths occurred as a result of answering disturbance calls (two of which were domestic disturbance calls) and three officers were transporting, handling, or maintaining custody of prisoners. Two of the fallen officers sustained fatal injuries during drug-related matters, two were attempting to make other arrests, and two were performing investigative activities. Two officers were responding to robberies in progress, one was responding to a burglary in progress, and one officer was killed as a result of handling a person with a mental illness.


    Offenders used firearms in 43 of the 47 felonious deaths. These included 30 incidents with handguns, seven incidents with rifles, and three incidents with shotguns. The type of firearm was not reported in three of the incidents. Two victim officers were killed with vehicles used as weapons; one was killed with a knife; and one officer died from injuries inflicted with personal weapons, such as hands, fists, or feet.


    Twenty of the slain officers were wearing body armor at the times of the incidents. Six of the officers fired their own weapons and two officers attempted to fire their service weapons. Three victim officers had their weapons stolen; however, none of the officers were killed with their own weapons.


    The 47 victim officers died from injuries sustained in 44 separate incidents. Forty-two of those incidents have been cleared by arrest or exceptional means.


    An additional 45 officers were accidentally killed in the line of duty in 2012. This total represents eight fewer officers who died in accidents when compared with the 53 officers who were accidentally killed during the same time period in 2011. By region, 27 officers died due to accidents in the South, eight in the Northeast, seven in the West, and three in the Midwest.


    Of the officers who died as a result of accidents, 22 died due to automobile accidents, 10 were struck by vehicles, and six officers were in motorcycle accidents. Three of the officers were killed due to aircraft accidents, two in accidental shootings, one from a fall, and one officer died as a result of an ATV accident.


    Final statistics and complete details will be available in the Uniform Crime Reporting Program’s publication, Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted, 2012, which will be published on the FBI’s Internet site in the fall.

    Additional stats detailed vehicle accident stats...PDF document

    http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811411.pdf
     
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  11. CargoWahgo

    CargoWahgo Road Train Member

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    Paramedics & EMTs have "sleep time"

    That is if you are at work and don't make a run in between 9 pm and 6 am

    You get paid 0$ ....but you still have to be at the depot.

    Why I left and joined trucking atleast you get paid something....even if it isn't minimum wage.

    My back has thanked me from lifting so many obese Americans who I now pay more taxes for.

    Think police are pure salary in Louisville but the medics were by the hour.

    (Suppose I should mention that if you did make a run you got paid x1.5....otherwise no would've shown up...long live the west side lol keep on killing each other)
     
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