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    Smile do you need hazmat endorsement to haul motor oil in a dry van.

    do you need hazmat to haul a dry van load of motor oils. some say yes,company says no. let me know what it really is,thks.


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    Probably not if its a couple cases of it. For example Wal Mart loads all kinds of stuff on their trailers going to the stores from the DC. There is usually a little haz on all of them, but below the amount required to have a haz endorsement. But if you are hauling a full load then yes you do have to have the endorsement.

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    From a shipping stand point its a no. I actually had to break out my 49CFR to find this answer, according to 173.150, I assumed it was petro oil, pg 3. Unless shipped by aircraft they are exempt from packaging requirements, as long as they meet this requirement, they are in a container of less than 1.3 gallons each, consisting of a strong outer packaging. And each box cannot excede the weight of 66 pounds each. And as far as I know, no hazmat declaration, no hazmat endorsement needed.

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    thanks,I found the answer to be no by my company and the shipper and drivers that load these things everyday at citco petro co,I have 5 gallon buckets,one whole load of lubricating oil,does not fall under hazmat,I believe in the old days it used to be. No x or placards required. Thanks for the info.

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    So for your question in the future, if its a consumer commodity(what you would buy in a store), you do not need hazmat. Only bulk shipments. And next time give us a proper shipping name so I can find the right info.

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    But he was referring to "MOTOR" oil. I could look for it in my ERG but I believe motor oil is considered flammable (Class 3). Packaging wouldn't matter, whether it's in 1 quart bottles, 5 gallon buckets, or 55 gallon drums. ANY hazmat that's part of the load has to be noted on the Bill of Lading, and ANY amount whatsoever will require the endorsement to have it on the truck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MACK E-6 View Post
    But he was referring to "MOTOR" oil. I could look for it in my ERG but I believe motor oil is considered flammable (Class 3). Packaging wouldn't matter, whether it's in 1 quart bottles, 5 gallon buckets, or 55 gallon drums. ANY hazmat that's part of the load has to be noted on the Bill of Lading, and ANY amount whatsoever will require the endorsement to have it on the truck.

    You're wrong. Please become familiar with the 49 CFR. As it was my warehouse job to prepare BOL's, and I was trained by the government I may know what I speak of.

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    Doesn't matter if it's a full load or not...it's not considered hazmat.

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    USA hazmat

    All hazmat types have a reportable quanity. if it is below the RQ you dont need a hazmat endorsment or placard to haul it. if the hazmat cargo is above the RQ it is the shippers responsibility to notify the driver, supply all proper documentation and labeling also the driver must have a hazmat license.

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    Non-Hazardous...

    I haul 5,000 gallons of new, and used, petroleum based lubrication, and hydraulic oils in tankers on many occasions. It is non-hazardous per the regulations.

    Yes, it will burn, but the flash points are so high it is almost considered inert. One machining factory I service has a mote around the the production area specifically to catch the oil used to cool the metal cutting process. They store the stuff until their tanks get full, then I show up with a vac-tanker and remove it from the tanks, and vacuum out the mote. The machinist smoke on the job and there are cigarette butts in the oil. I'm satisfied it is hard to ignite.

    I'll then haul it to a pit where it is solidified with sawdust. After that occurs we haul it in a dump trailer to a alternatively fueled power generation plant where it is burned as fuel. During this ride it is classified as a class 9 hazard, UN3077.

    Much of the material classifications are determined by the producers, or generators. If they declare a substance, that they define the characteristics of, "non-hazardous", then the carrier can only proceed under the assumption that it is non-hazardous. I mean if I go to a shipper and get loaded with a clear liquid, and the shipper's paperwork states it is water, then I proceed based on the assumption it is water. Who knows? It might be alcohol, or nitroglycerin.

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