Elogs for Mexicans and Canadians

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Studebaker Hawk, Apr 8, 2014.

  1. Studebaker Hawk

    Studebaker Hawk Road Train Member

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    Just musing here. Both Mexican and Canadian drivers have to follow our HOS regulations when here. If those regulations specify an ELOG device, are Canada and Mexico going to adopt exactly the same required devices at the same time as the US? If they don't, how are they going to program the device for the prior 7 days record?
    The drivers in question probably wouldn't know when they would be dispatched to the US, so no record of duty status would be in the machine.

    Or are they going to give them an exemption and allow them to continue to use paper logs for the 7 days prior, effectively neutralizing the reason for ELOG's. Would that be cause for legal objections from say the OOIDA or the National Association of Small Trucking Companies?
    Haven't read anything about it, so just some speculation going on here...
     
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  3. WitchingHour

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    Aren't we already paying for EOBR's on Mexican trucks?
     
  4. gokiddogo

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    I think I remember reading something about Canada is waiting for the full mandate from the US before we mandate it up here .... that may have changed ... but yes, if you require it down there, then we will have to have one in our truck, or be in violation as soon as we enter the USA...
     
  5. WitchingHour

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    'Murica, baby! Why screw up one trucking industry when you can do it to multiple trucking industries?
     
  6. Johny41

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    I'm working for Celadon Canada, we are working on elog since last year; it's simple to set the device, we have the option to switch to US or Canada every time we cross the border ,the qualcom eobr is updating the hours every time we cross borfrr :here in Canada we got more flexible HOS rules , we can drive 13 hour in 16 hours window, vs 11 in 14 hours window in USA, also in Canada are allowed 70 hours on duty in 7 days vs 70 hours in 8 !! days in USA/ the 30 min break every 8 hours was not introduced here
     
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  7. Studebaker Hawk

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    Companies that are using elogs now are not the problem.
    One scenario: Smith Trucking in London On takes occasional loads to US. Has the elog, but isn't recording or using device in Canada where it is not required. Takes load, crosses border switches machine on, but no 7 day record. Or is he going to operate it at a perceived disadvantage while in Canada.
    Do you think Mexican drivers are going to have an elog recording while in Mexico, when they don't even have driver records down there?
    Don't know how the 80% of the industry not using elogs now are going to square with this stuff.
     
  8. Pound Puppy

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    Regardless when they cross the border they have to have the previous 8 days of logs either elog or paper. Same as if your elog broke, you have to have your last 8days faxed to you and do your paper log until it is fixed. Yes there is room for abuse. But Canada has thier speed limiter rule in the eastern provinces that we have to abide by. So they must comply with ours. Plus all Mexican carriers operating here are mandated to have elogs, which were payed for with our tax money. The elog will not stop recording unless it is unplugged from the power source.
     
  9. Roadmedic

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    Where do you get the idea of 80%.

    Almost every company truck I pass anymore has the emblem for electronic logs on board.
     
  10. Studebaker Hawk

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    The 80% number is from the ATA. And it was industry wide, not just ATA members. It is that number that they want to change so their members(large companies)are no longer at a perceived disadvantage. The regulations published don't allow paper logs unless the unit is not operating, then only temporarily until it is repaired. These machines are extremely reliable, using paper logs will surely invite much scrutiny. "The dog ate my homework" excuse.
    I think the elog requirement for Mexican trucks was vacated by the courts in 2010 at the same time as the elog requirement for "bad" carriers in the US because if the harassment issue.
     
  11. Roadmedic

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    Just wondered if there was a link.

    I have seen different numbers from other sources that are not as high. 71%.

    But, consider that many are adding their numbers to the elogs each month.

    I have noticed more and more of them in the truckstops and such.
     
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