CDL Permit

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by JHaulingS, Jul 17, 2014.

  1. JHaulingS

    JHaulingS Bobtail Member

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    I have my CDL permit, if I go on a run with a CDL driver, does the time I'll be driving count as hours he's behind the wheel? In other words, can we actually team drive until I pass my driving test? Can I drive my approx max hours in 24 hrs & then he the same? Or are are they going to say he's suppose to be awake & in the passenger seat whenever I'm driving, so therefore, he can't possibly drive after being awake while I've been driving?
     
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  3. TomOfTx

    TomOfTx Road Train Member

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    CDL holder's time in passenger seat would be logged as Line 4 On Duty-Not Driving while the CLP holder is driving. CDL holder accompanying you would need to be in the passenger seat and awake at all times while you are driving. It is possible the CDL holder could switch places and drive a few hours until he reached the 14 hours On Duty that day, but this would use up hours on his 70 faster than you and ultimately run out of hours faster because a CLP holder could log up to 2 hours of time in the passenger seat as Line 1 Off Duty as part of a 10 hour break. The CDL holder could still exceed the 70 hours if he is only logging time on Line 4 On Duty-Not Driving while you are driving. With a CLP, you cannot transport a hazardous materials load, even with a CDL holder in the seat next to you.

    You didn't list your location, so be advised each state can have additional rules pertaining to a CLP.
     
  4. turnanburn

    turnanburn Medium Load Member

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    Commercial learner's permit (CLP).
    (a) A CLP is considered a valid CDL for purposes of behind-the-wheel training on public roads or highways, if all of the following minimum conditions are met:

    (1) The CLP holder is at all times accompanied by the holder of a valid CDL who has the proper CDL group and endorsement(s) necessary to operate the CMV. The CDL holder must at all times be physically present in the front seat of the vehicle next to the CLP holder or, in the case of a passenger vehicle, directly behind or in the first row behind the driver and must have the CLP holder under observation and direct supervision.
    (2) The CLP holder holds a valid driver's license issued by the same jurisdiction that issued the CLP.
    (3) The CLP holder must have taken and passed a general knowledge test that meets the Federal standards contained in subparts F, G, and H of this part for the commercial motor vehicle that person operates or expects to operate.
    (4) The CLP holder must be 18 years of age or older.
    (5) Endorsements:
    (i) A CLP holder with a passenger (P) endorsement must have taken and passed the P endorsement knowledge test. A CLP holder with a P endorsement is prohibited from operating a CMV carrying passengers, other than Federal/State auditors and inspectors, test examiners, other trainees, and the CDL holder accompanying the CLP holder as prescribed by paragraph (a)(1) of this section. The P endorsement must be class specific.
    (ii) A CLP holder with a school bus (S) endorsement must have taken and passed the S endorsement knowledge test. A CLP holder with an S endorsement is prohibited from operating a school bus with passengers other than Federal/State auditors and inspectors, test examiners, other trainees, and the CDL holder accompanying the CLP holder as prescribed by paragraph (a)(1) of this section.
    (iii) A CLP holder with a tank vehicle (N) endorsement must have taken and passed the N endorsement knowledge test. A CLP holder with an N endorsement may only operate an empty tank vehicle and is prohibited from operating any tank vehicle that previously contained hazardous materials that has not been purged of any residue.
    (iv) All other Federal endorsements are prohibited on a CLP.
    (6) The CLP holder does not operate a commercial motor vehicle transporting hazardous materials as defined in § 383.5.
    (b) The CLP must be a separate document from the CDL or non-CDL.
    (c) The CLP must be valid for no more than 180 days from the date of issuance. The State may renew the CLP for an additional 180 days without requiring the CLP holder to retake the general and endorsement knowledge tests.
    (d) The issuance of a CLP is a precondition to the initial issuance of a CDL. The issuance of a CLP is also a precondition to the upgrade of a CDL if the upgrade requires a skills test.
    (e) The CLP holder is not eligible to take the CDL skills test in the first 14 days after initial issuance of the CLP.
    [76 FR 26879, May 9, 2011]
     
  5. JHaulingS

    JHaulingS Bobtail Member

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    Thanks, that's just what I was looking for but couldn't find it.
     
  6. whitewings

    whitewings Light Load Member

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    I do not believe the licensed driver can she two hours off duty in passenger seat cause he must be on duty well permit driver is driving the 2 hour rule only works for 2 licensing driver's
     
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