On a Saturday or Sunday, the company asks a drive to come in to move material between 2 warehouses. One is on the left side of the road, the other is on the right. The Fleet manager is requiring the driver to complete a log, saying he drive for 5 hours, but went a total of 6 miles.
Reality is, hook up trailer, drive .2 miles on public road, pull in, drop trailer. Pick up a different trailer, drive .2 miles on public road, pull in, drop trailer, and on, and on, and on.. for 5 hours.\
During the week driver goes 200-300 miles out and back, across state lines, etc... so logs are required, and really, log is required for the random Saturday or Sunday.
Question is, what is the appropriate way to note the .2 miles... if I put on Duty and get into an accident on the .2 miles on public road, I will be in violation...
comments?
Log question
Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by flwo, Oct 27, 2014.
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Fleet manager is requiring the driver to cheat.Thats a 15 minute jog on your logs.Then all the drop and hooks made is 15 minute each plus the time to pretrip the trailer.In reality log it as you do it which a 6 mile drive is roughly 15 minutes.Tell FM to not tell you how to log.
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If all you are doing is crossing the road from one building to another it is all on duty !
No need for drive time at all .
It is the same for multiple drops in the same town .double yellow Thanks this. -
You are running local that day, and when I did that, we figured out how much time was spent actually driving and subtracted that from total time on duty to get on duty not driving, (line 4). There obviously wouldn't be all that much driving, but a considerable amount of on duty time. You are also not changing location in your remarks, but you would have lots of duty changes if you went from driving to on-duty and back again many times in a day.
It's akin to the sleeper berth /off duty debate, in that it counts towards your 70(or 60), but you aren't going to exceed the 11 hours driving for that day going less than half a mile at a time.(round trip?). We used to just log the on duty time all on line 4 for that reason, but that was long ago(early 2006). Occasionally, we logged driving time to move trucks several hundred miles to be used locally elsewhere. Maybe Scalemaster would chime in on this, or someone else involved in enforcement. We were using the logbook instead of a time clock, so that was another reason for doing it that way.
I would imagine some e-logs would record the drive time, and others would never trip up to that, depending on set parameters for changing the duty status.Meltom Thanks this. -
What you could do, since all the stops are in the same city/town, is aggregate the total driving time and show that as one solid block, and the total on duty time for the drops/hooks and show that as one block. Then just make a note of what you did in the remarks section. The previous poster saying every time you moved on the public road it should be a 15 minute of drive time is incorrect as that would give you FAR more drive time on your log then would be correct and would make your log false. If you don't want to move all the drive time together what you would do is simply flag each move across the public road with the activity and the amount of time it took, as well as the location of course.
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I'd mark it all on duty but each trailer drop/hook note it on the log.
Your basically a shag driver/lot mule/ yard dog, however you wanna say it. -
I said that because 15 minutes is the lowest you can log and also said log as you do it.Everybody drives differently it would only take me 15 minutes at most to drive to the next warehouse if only 2 miles.Also I never said log 15 min everytime..I assume you're talking about me.But I do like your answer on how you would log it.Makes the log book look less messy.
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I've heard log it as a block and log it as it happened.
When I did local relay setups like this it I logged it as 15-minute chunks and at the end of the day had a sawtooth pattern in the logbook.
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Pool6710 Thanks this.
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Log on duty not driving for full work day, not to exceed 12 hours. Only flag pti's and fuel in comment section write local driver. Notate the end of day and start of day cities. That is all you need to do.
you can write in miles driven.
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