Registered weight - what impacts does it have?

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Bdog, Jan 1, 2015.

  1. Bdog

    Bdog Road Train Member

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    I have a DOT number and run interstate in pickups and trailers over 10k but under 26k. This means we get to follow all the lovely rules like log books, UCR, med cards, etc but do not need CDLs.

    I know for a fact if either your actual weight or weight rating from the vin tag is over 10k then the rules apply but what if your registered weight is over but neither your gross weight or weight rating is?

    I have been told by several DOT cops that they don't care what the rated vehicle weight is and that they are only concerned with us not being over our registered weight or our tire capacities.

    Let me give an example.

    F-250 truck with 10k GVWR. Gooseneck trailer with 14k GVWR. My combo actual weight might be 23k but due to the pin weight on the truck it may scale over 10k. I register the trailer for 14k and the truck for 12k. I am under tire capacity on all tires, under the 26k limit, and not over my registered weight on the truck or trailer. All is good when towing.

    My question is once I drop the trailer and am in an empty truck can I drive around unregulated since my actual weight and manufacturer weight rating are both not over 10k or do I still fall under the rules because my truck is registered for over 10k?
     
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  3. FuzzFace2

    FuzzFace2 Medium Load Member

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    I do not have an answer but if you are not pulling a trailer and bed is empty how would they know you need to follow any rules, un-less you have signs on the truck? Think of it as your buddy next door has the same truck but does not use it like you do for money.
    When making money I would think first it goes by registered weight for everything and then make sure you are not over weight for truck/trailer/equipment.

    Now the other question that may have an out come on the answer is are you on the clock making money when empty or off the clock using the truck as personal transport? ie. person bobtailing to pick up a trailer "down the road" would be on the clock and log book rules but if he was bobtailing to/from home for a reset he would be off the log if I have it right.
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  4. Bdog

    Bdog Road Train Member

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    Thanks for the reply. The trucks have the company name, dot number, etc on them and are very obviously work trucks with flatness, tools, etc.

    We don't really haul things for money we haul or own equipment to our jobs. Our company specifically buys f-250's because they are not over 10k and thus not regulated unless they have a trailer. This allows us to work long hours and drive back and forth to the job site.

    A typical job might be drive 500 miles to job location with trailers full of equipment under dot regs and logging. We get to jobsite and stay in a local motel for 2-3 weeks working 12 hour days. We need to drive around in the work trucks during the course of the job but it is no problem with Hours because the truck without a trailer is not over 10k and thus not regulated.

    My question is if I registered this truck for say 12k even though it has a manufacturer GVWR of 10k, and probably only weighs 8k would I fall under the dot regs just because of the registered weight?
     
  5. stadingfarms

    stadingfarms Bobtail Member

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    I was told they go by the gvw doesn't matter what it's registered as. That came from a MN dot cop. Also my understanding is that you do need a cdl with what you are doing at least in Illinois you do.
     
  6. keitht

    keitht Light Load Member

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    Bdog:

    There has recently been some changes in the way states are putting vehicles into the Federal Regs.

    I'm off duty in a few minutes so I do not have time to really fully answer you questions. (Perhaps when I get back)

    But the main question you want to know is if you drop your trailer, are you under the Fed regs? The answer is NO. Not unless your weight threw you in.

    The Feds now use 3 methods to throw you into the Fed regs:
    GVWR
    CGVWR
    Actual weight

    The rules differ depending upon whether you are intrastate or interstate. Up until recently, we did not count the actual weight of the vehicle as a determiner of what regs you fell under. Now we do. Note also that a lot depends upon if you are intrastate or interstate. Intrastate the rules apply if you are 26001 or more. Interstate apply when you are 10,001 or more. So if your single vehicle is no more than 10,000 gvw, you should be fine.


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  7. Ezrider_48501

    Ezrider_48501 Road Train Member

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    over 10k lbs your required to have a medical card log books ect
    under 26k no cdl required
    over 26k with a trailer under 10k class b cdl required
    over 26k with a trailer over 10k class A cdl required

    power unit must be registered for the gross combined vehicle weight rating. so if your truck is rated for 10k and your trailer rated for 10k you register your truck at
    20k

    for example in a standard tractor 5 axle combination you are allowed 12k on the steer 34 on drive axle group and 34k on the trailer group so you register the power unit at 80k
     
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