Hello everyone,
I'm having a bit of an issue over here. There is a client of ours who runs a flatbed delivery truck in the state of LA that has not been keeping mileage records- or probably any records for that matter. They rarely travel outside of a 100 mile radius which I hear may not require logs, but they did travel across state lines a few times. The audit is coming from the IRP I believe. I would like for anyone to chime in on what I should inform the client on to do. They seem to have enough paperwork to compile logs for the audit period, however, it is a 3 year period. If anyone could help with providing laws in code or what fines they may be facing I would appreciate it
For the last few years they have been using an estimated mileage - the same each year
Thanks in advance!
No mileage log for a truck/drivers
Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Question123, Jan 9, 2015.
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IRP audit; The State where the truck is based will have a booklet and its required forms. Logs do not have to be included for the IRP, you may use Maps to show trip routing.
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The Web link is to an Online Supplier whom is focused to this side of the business...irp, ifta. (they are only open during normal work hours, mon-fri. for tutorial help, it will be needed first timers...they allow you to buy a one month subscription.) www.promiles.com/pmo.asp
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Thanks. I'll look into it
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you aren't supposed to use estimated mileage after the first year. they can go back and with something like streets and trips and find the mileage. but if they only go out of state a couple times a year, why don't the dummies use reg tags and just buy temp permits the few times they do go out of state???? it would be much cheaper.
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This IRP Audit is not demanding: Just get the IRP book & read thru it.
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For the millionth time, state lines ain't got nothin' to do with the 100 air-mile radius exemption from the RODS requirements. The 100 air-mile radius is just that, 100 air-mile radius. An air mile is equal to a nautical mile, which is different than a statute mile. The 100 air-mile radius is actually 115 & change statute miles. State lines don't matter, because the FMCSA regs only apply to intERstate commerce, not intRAstate. IntRAstate is governed by STATE regs, not the feds. IntERstate REQUIRES the occasional crossing of state lines. That being the case, common sense would tell you that a regulation in the FMCSA book of regs, which exempts drivers operating inside of a 100 air-mile radius from having to keep a RODS, wouldn't have anything to do with whether or not state lines were crossed. Heck, where I'm at, my 100 air-mile radius has the potential for me to be in 6 different states! As long as I stay inside that 100 air-mile radius and get back within 12 hours, it doesn't matter if I stay in my home state or do the circle tour and hit all 6. The 100 air-mile radius is a 100 air-mile radius. Period. End of sentence.
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Question123, do your client a favor, insist they recreate mileage logs using a mapping program before the audit, for all trips, and have their driver start using an actual mileage log immediately, otherwise the fines the face will be based on other operations out of state mileage which will be significantly higher than what their actual mileage and fees would be, plus they run the risk of having their IRP account suspended, meaning they will not be allowed to run out of state for a period of time.
Do not confuse mileage record keeping (logs) with DOT hours of service logs, they are two different things, one simply shows compliance with the hours of service regulations, which is not required if they stay within the 100 mile radius and 12 hour tour of duty, leave from and return to the same place, etc,(time card or similar records satisfy this requirement) but the other, state line mileage logs or some other for of tracking miles driven in each state on your IRP cab card, and the fuel purchased with date, location, and gallons on the receipt, that is required even within the 100 mile radius if you cross a state line. Further, some states require the same records even if you do not leave the state, my home state of Pennsylvania has a in state fuel tax decal and requires the same record keeping and reporting of mileage and fuel purchases for intrastate trucks as they do for interstate trucks.Last edited: Jan 11, 2015
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