Motor carrier exemption to overtime pay! Petition

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Joe83, Jan 30, 2015.

  1. joseph1135

    joseph1135 Papa Murphy

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    No it's not. The quality is due to the carriers just putting barely warm bodies in a seat. I make great money. If drivers would stop job hopping whenever they don't get their way and actually stay somewhere long enough to get a raise, they'll mske better money. Instead they're entitled and think things should be handed to them.
     
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  3. bubbagumpshrimp

    bubbagumpshrimp Medium Load Member

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    Yup. A good portion of truckers (I'm going to guess 15-20% or so...based on the 40+ people I interacted with at my CDL school) are people that had a marginal work history to begin with. By marginal work history... I'm talking about people that already job hopped and measured their employment tenure in weeks or months...not years. That's not going to improve just because you stick them in a big rig.
     
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  4. Pedigreed Bulldog

    Pedigreed Bulldog Road Train Member

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    That is the difference between static and dynamic scoring by the CBO. Static scoring assumes everybody will just bend over and take whatever new taxes are proposed, and won't take advantage of tax cuts...so tax hikes increase revenue, and tax cuts reduce revenue. EXTREMELY juvenile way of thinking. Dynamic scoring, just adopted by the house in their new rules package, rightly assumes that people are influenced by policy changes...that if you tax an activity, you get less of it...and if you reduce the cost of an activity by lowering the tax on it, you get more of it. Passed on a party line vote. Go figure.

    Getting back to the OP, though, good companies will pay OT if they pay by the hour. If you are paid by the load or by the mile, time really doesn't factor into the official pay scale. Your "hourly" wage in those instances is just an average...which can change day to day, week to week, load to load...so there is really no way to calculate what "time and a half" should be when there is no value for "time". And a lot of the drivers I've seen, I wouldn't pay them on a per-hour basis. Sure, there are some real go-getters...but even they do better on percent or mileage (performance-based) pay structures. Time-based encourages laziness, as you can get paid more to do the same amount of work by taking longer to do it. There are already too many lazy people in this industry, and hourly pay w/ overtime would only attract more.
     
  5. Victor_V

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    We can disagree. Truckload carriers hire who they can get and abuse them. There's a 'ticket-level' to driver pay. A year's experience gets you into Gordon, two-years into the kinds of jobs I've had since Gordon and goes up from there and usually pay goes along with it.

    My run tomorrow starts 0900 in Bloomington (IN), comes back from KY tomorrow and time to do some shopping in Bloomington before heading home and to bed. $220.

    joseph likes being the company hero and that's fine. That's joseph. Run hard, stay out as long as possible and the music loud and thundering inside the cab. There's an industry around us that flat churns drivers who have little clue what's ahead. Poor pay and 100% turnover.

    If everyone were like joseph, joseph wouldn't be special, now would he?

    LTL has less than 10% turnover.
     
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  6. joseph1135

    joseph1135 Papa Murphy

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    I'm not special. Anyone can do what I do. Even you, victor. It's not rocket science. It's trucking. Im lazy. I'm the laziest person I know I can make a great living by doing this. I'm not at an LTL carrier. I don't get the highest cpm in the industry. I do my job. And if these crybabies would do theirs, they'd be making bank too. I don't feel sorry or bad for anyone out here. You cut your own deal, just like I did. If they can't do that because their lack of motivation and education prevents them from doing it, then that's their problem and trucking isn't the only job they've had that sucks.
     
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  7. Victor_V

    Victor_V Road Train Member

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    Sometimes, joseph, you seem to just hate other drivers. Get over it. Now, consider who hired those drivers and why. They were recruited with promises of great pay, BIG money. Their money's neither big nor consistent. No pay for breakdowns, waiting for a dispatch, yada, yada.

    Out West, California courts are tagging carriers with big settlements for stealing driver pay contrary to State law. Gordon, Swift, Con-way have all announced pay increases.

    Gordon's now paying detention after one hour.

    And not out of the goodness of Mike Gerdin's heart (pun intended--does come out of Heartland, doesn't it!), either.
     
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  8. joseph1135

    joseph1135 Papa Murphy

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    I don't hate anyone. I just have no time for stupidity. It's not my fault if people aren't smart enough.
     
  9. double yellow

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    Seems to self-regulate just fine to me. Job doesn't pay what you're worth? Do something that does. When enough drivers decide to do something else, the industry raises pay on its own (like last year).

    There has never been an example of successful sustained centrally planned wage and price controls.


    Quick, better fix that!
     
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  10. Victor_V

    Victor_V Road Train Member

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    Ha ha. That's called a lack of self-knowledge on your part, joseph, blaming 'their' stupidity. In the time you've been trucking, you should have done what Double Yellow and Blair are doing and have done it long ago. Have your own rig. Kiss that employer goodbye, claim your freedom.

    Really makes no sense to knock other drivers.

    There's something rotten in Denmark and it's OTR truckload pay.
     
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  11. Victor_V

    Victor_V Road Train Member

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    Pay increases (such as Gordon, Con-way, Swift) had a lot to do with a hard winter as drivers left companies for greener pastures (including joseph and Bright One) and HOS (mandatory 30 minute). Carriers decided to compete for each others' drivers, not just unemployed drivers.

    JB emails me at least once a week and makes robo calls to my phone.

    Sheesh!


    //I see my better-looking, smarter younger brother finally rousted. Taller? For sure has a copy of Ayn Rand on the truck. Greenspan disavowed much of that... yes, without a regulatory fence the fox WILL raid the chicken coop.
     
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