Follow Up when regulations matter

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Pattycak, Jun 21, 2008.

  1. Pattycak

    Pattycak Bobtail Member

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    Hello Everyone, hope everyone is running safe. I am fairly new to this post board and sometimes have problems navagating around but wanted to give everyone a follow up with my past posts.

    Let me go back...2003, my husband was a owner operator and was sent for a random drug screening. He was sent to a lab 45 minutes before they closed and could not provide a sample. The employer fired him because he "refused" a drug test. The employer placed on his DAC record the same. The lab never sent a copy of his refusal to the company, however they reported it to DAC anyway. He was black balled, and to make a very long story short, he was forced to sell his rig and his career as a driver was over, not to mention we ended up bankrupt and lost everything.

    Back in 12/07, the Judge dismissed our complaint against the company stating he felt the company did nothing wrong, despite deposition stating there was no copy of the CCF form. Yes, you read correctly..NO COPY. The lab mysteriously lost it. Now, if your as familiar as we have become with Federal law, you will note that there must be a copy of the CCF form on file for I believe to be 5 years, whether passed, failed or refused.

    However, the case against the lab was still open. During our 12/07 brief with the Judge, he had asked for more clarification on one paragraph. He was suppose to render a decision by the end of March, 2008.

    On 6/6/08, the Judge finally ruled in our favor. July 15, 2008 the Judge will set our trial date, and I strongly feel we will finally get justice for such a horrible wrong doing.

    What I really wanted to touch on in this post, is not so much what has happened to us thus far, but the hell we went though. I must have contacted a hundred people at FMCA with the same response...good luck. Not even as much as an investigation by them into the mishandling of a sensitive drug testing or the errors made by the employer (despite the Judge saying the employer did nothing wrong).

    Seems to me all these regulations are for you, the driver. Trust me, they are not interested in when a lab or an employer screws up, just the driver.

    I will post again once this trial is over. This case is not just about what happened to my husband, but its for everyone who holds a CDL. This time this driver was right and they were wrong. My husband isn't the first that had some horrible nightmare regarding a drug test that went wrong, and unfortunately probably won't be the last. I am hoping this case makes a difference for future drug testing on the drivers behalf.

    Stay safe! Enjoy your summer!

    Pattycak
     
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  3. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    That's a horrible outcome when they were obviously in the wrong. It's a very good example on how the driver or O/O can get screwed. Everyone should know that the FMCSA is there to establish rules and regulations and NOT there to protect you. You need a good lawyer that knows how to use the FMCSA's rules and regulations to protect you in court.

    I do not know all the details in this case but if your husband started the test and was unable to provide a sample it's very clear that they did not follow the regulation §40.193 (b) (2). It reads that he has up to 3 hours to provide the specimen and if he can't then it's not a refusal and they have to make on the CCF what happened and inform the employee of the time when the 3 hour time started and ended. If he just left then that's a different story but I don't believe any lab can call it a refusal just because they are closing. And it sounds like they did not follow many of the regulations.

    Even the courts at times will not have any clue on how the FMCSA works. That's why a good truck lawyer is needed.

    I'm sorry that your life was turned upside down.
     
  4. telcobilly

    telcobilly Medium Load Member

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    I can't even put in words how mad this makes me!! I had no idea how much of a raw deal truckers get until I entered this industry! Would really like to hear an update on this!
     
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  5. Mike_MD

    Mike_MD Medium Load Member

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    Perhaps a clinic, I doubt he was sent to a laboratory. Clinics send samples to labs via over night carriers.

    Technically the employer didn't do anything wrong. The collection site was in error not the employer.

    Whose deposition? A representative of the clinic or the employer? Who took the deposition? Your attorney or ????

    Where was you husband's copy? The CCF form is a five part carbonless form. FYI, there is no record retention requirements for the clinic, laboratory, or MRO. Part 40 and 382 requires the employer to retain the records.


    It appears you have mis construed the regulations. Only positive results must be maintained for five years. Negative test have to be kept for one year.

    Unless the employer collected the urine sample, the employer made no mistake. The clinic made the mistake.

    Did you ever make a written complaint? All complaints must be in writting or to the DOT safety line at 1-888-DOT-SAFT. Once a complaint has been filed the FMCSA has 90 days to investigate. Numerous MRO's, urine collectors, and breath collectors have been investigated.

    Did you call your congressman/woman? Did you call OOIDA?

    Once you felt you were being brushed aside you should have stepped up the process a knotch or three. The key is written complaint, not a phone call. Phone calls are hearsay and cannot be used in court.

    Not true, employers are penalized frequently for D & A testing:


    There has probably been occassions when things went wrong and drivers were victims of circumstance. However, the number of drivers removed from the highway who deserved to be removed is significant.

    It appears you neglected to use all of the resources available to challenge what you considered to be a mishandled test. There are many legal services offered pro-bono, our elected official are here to serve, letters are viable proof a request was made especially when sent registered mail.

    I understand your duress; however, other drivers would be better advised on what steps you missed and not to repeat your mistakes.

    Be safe.
     
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