I posted this on another site, but I wanted to check here as well.
I know Canada has a 244" wb restriction but they've allowed over length permits to be bought for trucks over that wheelbase as long as the total length was under 75'6". I recently called to set up permits and the lady on the phone said that Ontario no longer sells permits and no longer allows anything over 244" wb at all, yet I know of trucks up there longer than 244". She did say that other provinces still allow permits. Does anyone know if the permit lady I spoke with is wrong, or has Ontario gotten more restrictive on length along with their 62 mph limiter law?
Ontario Canada WB Question
Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by BobbyTTour, Apr 30, 2011.
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You better forget about going to Canada if your truck WB longer then 244''. I live in NW and considered taking loads to Canada and I am still licensed for BC and AB. If your WB is 244 or shorter the legal overall lenght in Canada is 23 meters. If longer then 244 you can buy a permit to go to BC for example but your overall lenght (bumper to bumper) must be around 20 meters. In case you pull 53' van or reefer there is no way you can make it legal. I am not sure if 48' van can make an overall lenght legal. In my case with a 270'' WB my legal overall lenght is 20 meters or 65.5 feet. So as you can see if you want to go to Canada best way to buy a truck with a WB not exeeding 244''.
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This gives me another valid reason to not go to Canada!
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Basically if your truck was built in 2005 or earlier your wheel base can be as long as you want, but the overall length of the truck still can't exceed the 75 feet. If your truck was built in 2006 or later your maximum wheel base for the truck is 244 inches.
As for permits, she is kinda right. If you are just an average Joe with a big truck that exceeds 244" and it is newer than 2006 hauling a normal load, no you can't come into Ontario, sorry. Ontario does recognize "special" carriers because of past contracts/hauling relations and will issue permits for special moves. You can still get permits, but you really have to be hauling something out of the ordinary and mechanically need a truck with a wheel base over 244". You have to prove it prior.
Here is what I found;
"Long Wheelbase Tractors Ontario Regulation 413/05 have reaffirmed Ontario's preference in restricting the wheelbase of tractor units to the 6.20 metre national standard. The wheelbase dimension is measured from the centre of the steer axle to the centre of the drive axle group (typically the middle of the drive axles). Carriers specialized in the transportation of oversize/overweight (O/O) indivisible loads will frequently operate overlength tractors to accommodate additional axles, heavier duty suspensions, and/or sliding fifth wheel assemblies for proper weight distribution. These requirements are generally acknowledged by our Ministry, and these carriers are routinely authorized to operate this fleet of specialized vehicles for routine "permitted" transportation of lighter O/O loads. This accommodation, however, is not intended to inadvertently authorize operation of overlength tractors equipped with large sleeper berths or living quarters, frequently utilized in other jurisdictions.
Permit issuing staff have been instructed to verify tractor wheelbase dimensions and should they suspect that a carrier is unnecessarily utilizing an overlength tractor, they are to ask for clarification and/or support documentation defining the requirements for the overlength tractor. Rationale such as on-board generators are frequently unjustified due to their compact size and abundant availability of portable rental units suitable for most applications. Carriers should expect to provide a photograph of the combination in support of their justification."
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/trucks/oversize/guide.shtml#tractor
http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/regs/english/elaws_regs_050413_e.htm#BK70 -
Well hell... I've been running Ab, Sk, Mb On, Qc and NB for 2 1/2 years with a 270 in w/b but I pull a 42 ft DD and am right at 64ft 6in.
I have w/b permits for Ab, Sk, Mb and Qc. I guess I better find out what On has to say about that....I've been through On scales quite a bit, even got a Level 1 in Sk and they didn't even ask for my permit. -
What year is your truck? I see 03 379 in your sig, so 2003?. If your truck is under a 2005 you can be longer than 244! Unless the inspector at the scales wants to get out and measure the wheel base they probably see your well under max length and don't care.
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From my understanding, in BC if you had longer than a 244" wb then your kingpin to center of the rear axles was limited to 38' or 39', but I wasn't aware of a shorter overall length.
As I said, I know guys that have run up there pulling 53' trailers and have 280"+ wb. I guess they're either unaware of the changes and have been lucky, or being cowboys and don't care.
Thanks for the confirmation Heavyd. -
Ontario and BC laws are different, even though it is all Canada. Gets confusing pretty quickly.
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