TRW Steering Box

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by 04 LowMax, Sep 12, 2013.

  1. 04 LowMax

    04 LowMax Medium Load Member

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    As part of my annual inspection, my local shop changed out my steering box, said the old one was leaking oil (could not have been major because I didn't notice it).
    It was steering fine, did have a bit of play but not enough to be concerned. Anyway, after getting back on the road, and expecting the truck to steer much better, was
    disappointed to find it actually much worse with the "new" (rebuilt) trw box on it. I have 3-4" of freeplay on the steering wheel. The play, is all happening in the box, between the input and output shaft. Everything else, tie rods, u-joint, etc. are all good. I took it back to the shop and complained. The head mechanic looked at it, said he could do a small adjustment, but that you don't want it too tight because it will wear the gears prematurely. Huh? It seems to me that in a precision system such as a steering, you need all components to be tight (within reason of course) in order to work properly. Anyway he had a junior mechanic do a minor adjust on it, then told me to
    try it. When it was done, he asked the junior mech how much he had set it, was told 1/4 to 1/2 a turn, then he tells him that you can actually turn them all the way in to stop, and back them off just a bit. Why he didn't tell him this in the first place I don't know. Anyway they sent me on my way to "see how it goes". Well, maybe a slight bit better, but not much. I will have to take it back to them, but I just wanted some input here on, first of all, does anyone agree with me that a rebuilt box should have only
    a tiny bit of play between input and output shaft (so that you could maybe rock the shaft about 1/16 of an inch, not 1/2 to 3/4? I told the shop I questioned whether the truck would pass a roadside dot inspection and was told you can have up to a quarter of a turn in the steering wheel before they would be concerned! I don't think so! And does anyone know the part about setting up these boxes as far as the turning in all the way and then back off a bit? I want as much knowledge as I can get before I go back there. To me there are 2 things here that are unacceptable, that a rebuilt box would come this way, and second that this shop more or less scoffed at my concern and were reluctant to do much. There are 2 things on a truck that I will not tolerate, vibration-shaking, and wandering-steering. Feedback please.
     
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  3. rollin coal

    rollin coal Road Train Member

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    Maybe the pitman arm is loose, that will cause excessive steering wheel play. Raise the hood, grab hold of the steering shaft and twist it back and forth keeping close eye on the splines inside the pitman arm. There should be no looseness there at all, if there is grab a couple of wrenches and tighten it.
     
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  4. topcat1974

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    I wrench??? How about a impact that's wat I had to use
     
  5. rollin coal

    rollin coal Road Train Member

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    2 big wrenches and one cheater pipe same difference. Nice to have a helper to hold one side. Don't get too crazy with it....
     
  6. Ridgeline

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    Seriously sounds like a bunch of part changers who are clueless. Sounds like a scam.

    I would go back and tell them to either adjust it right, show you why there is play when there wasn't or you will take it to a dealer who will do the work right and send them the bill.

    Just because it is leaking doesn't mean the box needs to be changed, I would have asked for the original one back to inspect it. They make seal kits for all these boxes, it takes a bit more time to change the seals on the box than it does replacing it.

    Adjusting the box is easy, it takes 15 minutes to properly do and any mechanic should know the basics.

    I have to add that the comment "The head mechanic looked at it, said he could do a small adjustment, but that you don't want it too tight because it will wear the gears prematurely." would have me very worried that he has no clue what he is doing in the first place.
     
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  7. 04 LowMax

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    Well said ridgeline, but here's the thing, this guy, a mechanic for 40 years, and the owner of the only local shop with a really good reputation, normally is very good, and has looked after me many times over the years. Including on the road service, as well as rescue (coming out and loading my unit up and hauling it in after it died on the road). I am willing to cut him a little slack on this one, but what I really am hoping for, is specific info on these boxes. Am I right in my assesment of the situation, and, should it be possible to tighten this box right up to specs.? Those are the two questions I really need to address prior to taking action? And rollin coal, thanks, but it's not the pitman. It's internal in the box itself.
     
  8. cetanediesel

    cetanediesel Medium Load Member

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    Unacceptable period! It should feel like a new truck after that kind of bill. If it is WORSE than the old one then, how is that fixed. He just charged you to put on worse parts. Do as others have said, stick it to him, and if they dont do what makes YOU feel good about the steering of your 80,000 lbs. truck have it looked at somewhere else.
     
  9. Ridgeline

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    I understand but you are the customer. I worked around a lot of mechanics and know that even if they have 60 years (I worked for one that was in business for 62 when I was hired), does not mean they are all that great. If he is concern with keeping you as a customer, then he should adjust the bill or eat the costs completely.

    As I said, the box didn't need to be changed out, anyone can change the seals in it for less than a $100.

    so I think you are right in your assessment.

    It is possible to adjust the box, it should have been done right when it was put on.

    TRW has a book on their site - TRW800.pdf - that will give you a one page description of how to adjust the box. Yes it can be done, you have to drop the cross link off the pitman arm and then have a torque wrench and other tools to do it right.
     
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  10. beltrans

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    Sector Shaft Adjustment
    Tools Required Materials Required
    Screwdriver
    3⁄4" Socket
    3⁄4" Open end wrench
    This adjustment can only be completed on the vehicle if
    the adjusting screw jam nut is accessible. This nut is
    located on the side cover.
    Photos in this section were taken on a mock frame rail for
    clarity.
    Center the sector
    shaft
    1. With the engine on, rotate the steering wheel (input
    shaft) until the timing mark on the sector shaft lines
    up with the mark on the housing. The line on the
    sector shaft should be at a 90° angle from the input
    shaft. The sector shaft is now on its "center of
    travel". Turn the vehicle off.
    Remove the drag
    link
    2. Remove the drag link from the pitman arm.
    To avoid resetting the poppets, do
    not rotate the input shaft more than
    11⁄2 turns from the "center of travel" position while the
    drag link is disconnected.
    Check for sector
    shaft lash
    Loosen jam nut
    3. From the "center of travel" position, grasp the
    pitman arm and gently try to rotate it back and forth.
    If looseness or lash is felt at this point, the sector
    shaft is out of adjustment.
    4. Loosen the jam nut.
    3⁄4" Socket If the gear is removed from the
    vehicle to adjust the lash:
    • Leave the pitman arm connected to the gear.
    • Best option is to follow the Final Adjustment
    procedure on page 67.
    • Alternate option is to continue with step 5 of this
    procedure.
    Position adjusting
    screw
    Adjust shaft
    5. If no lash was detected in step 3, turn the shaft
    adjusting screw counterclockwise until you feel lash
    at the output shaft.
    6. Slowly turn the shaft adjusting screw clockwise until
    you feel no lash at the output shaft without using
    more than 10 lbf•ft (14 N•m) of torque. From this
    position, turn the screw clockwise 1⁄8 to 3⁄16 of a turn
    more. Hold the adjusting screw in place, and
    tighten the jam nut. Final jam nut torque 43 lbf•ft (58
    N•m).
    Screwdriver
    Screwdriver
    3⁄4" Open end
    wrench
    Recheck for lash
    Connect drag link
    7. Turn the steering wheel 1⁄4 turn each side of center,
    then back to center and recheck the pitman arm for
    lash. You should feel no lash; if there is lash, repeat
    steps 4, 6 and 7.
    8. Reconnect the drag link to the pitman arm according
    to manufacturer's specifications.
    Maintain grease in the sector shaft
    bearing through the grease fitting
    in the housing using only a hand operated grease gun.
    Add grease until it begins to extrude past the dirt and
    water seal. Do not use a power grease gun because it
    will supply grease too fast; this could adversely affect
    the high pressure seal and contaminate the hydraulic
    fluid.
     
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  11. Automatic adam

    Automatic adam Bobtail Member

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    I replace my trw gear box today. When sitting the poppets I noticed when I turned the wheel all the way right towards the end of the turn the steering wheel kept moving about 1in but not the wheels. Took it out on a sets drive I can make a left turn with ease but when turning to the right there is play before the wheels start turning. Can some one tell me what I did wrong or need to do?
     
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