13 speed...TOAST?? Any ideas...

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  1. Trcknwolf

    Trcknwolf Light Load Member

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    '99 Pete 379EXHD, 500 Detroit w/a REMAN 16713A. Approx 300K on trans. Coming from my downtown area I entered the on ramp to the freeway in 5th gear & went up through 12th gear with no problems. Went to shift into 13th...nothing (NOT GOOD!!!) I didn't hear any grinding noise either...HMMMMMMMM. Shifted back to 12th, everything fine. Tried 13th again, nada. Drove 5 more miles to my exit, and using jake to slow, I downshifted thru the gears to 5th then stopped. Everything acted/sounded fine. Turned right starting in 3rd gear, all good. Shift to 4th gear also fine as was the lever shift & range change into 5th. Button shifted into 6th, nope (still did NOT hear any grinding noise or any noise for that matter). Back to 5th, fine. Gave her a little fuel & skip shifted up to 7th. All good. Tried 8th, nothing. Went back to 7th, now its gone too!! Tried 6th & 5th gears, nope. Had to slow & stop @ the next stop light that I can't make before it turns red (was hoping to get around the corner & pull off onto the shoulder to get out of traffic), now I'm sitting in the left turn lane with NO transmission. This isn't an air problem as the range lever & gear selector button still moved the shift forks internally. I could hear that. The clutch was just adjusted last weekend & was working fine. The foot force needed to disengage the clutch using the pedal never changed. While sitting @ the stop light, I could shift the stick into & out of all 6 holes WITH the clutch engaged with no effort or resistance... In the 7 mile drive from downtown to breakdown, I never once heard any "bad" noises, or bucking, jolting, grinding or anything else to indicate this was coming! I've roached a few transmissions before & I know what that sounds like before it goes @ 75 mph. This also isn't a rear end problem either. Just for ##### & giggles I tried the power divider, no help. I've also chunked a few rears in my day & know what those sound like going out too. Called my mechanic & explained the problem. After some brief Q&A, he had me do a quick test--with the brakes set, engine off & trans in neutral, see if I could turn the drive shaft any. He said I shouldn't be able to turn it at all because of the rears & brakes being set. Well, I was able to turn it nearly a full 1/4 turn. That's NOT what he wanted to hear! Had truck towed to our mechanic. After some more Q&A, he's not sure what to think. It may possibly be the back box, or it could be the drive gear up front. May have even rounded off 1 or both of the side gear sets. He doesn't think I broke the main shaft but then again he's not sure from what I described to him. He's going to drain the trans oil 1st & see what/how much "stuff" comes out.... GREAT. So I post this with the hopes that anybody reading this may have a few ideas for me. GOTTA LOVE OWNING A TRUCK HUH....:biggrin_25516::biggrin_25513::biggrin_25523:
     
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  3. 04 LowMax

    04 LowMax Medium Load Member

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    Well you have done good diagnostics and a good description. I think you know the answer already, but were hoping somebody out there had a magic answer. Final question, yes, owning a truck sometimes has associated bills, but, it also has freedom and independence that you don`t find in any regular job with a boss or a supervisor. Bite the bullet, pencil out a trans rebuild, get er done, and back on the road. Good luck! And, most of all, enjoy being your own boss (within the confines of dispatched loads, etc.)
     
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  4. Alberta-Mechanic

    Alberta-Mechanic Light Load Member

    it is ither front diff threw shaft or rear diff ###### it coujld hopefully be a rear axel im guesing its got two rear axels also check if when you spin drive shaft dose the short shaf inbetween diffs turn if it dose not it is most likely the threw shaft have some one put transmission in gear and watch if out put shaft spins if it dose its in rear but the way you explain loosing certain gears one at a time sounds like transmission but the fact you can spin that shaft means forsure in rear it should not spin unless threw shaft in front diff broken or rear diff broken or axel broken. but once again no nosie messed up man. so what I would do is those first checks I talked about then if still not sure drain transmission and both diffs look for metal chunks on magnetic plug small shaveings are normal unless excesive amount if you do all these checks you will find witch one is your issue. I promise I change a lot of diffs and transmissions my friend
     
  5. OldHasBeen

    OldHasBeen Road Train Member

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    Wow, in all my driving days in yesterday years never had a transmission, engine, nor rear-end go out on me.
     
  6. Alberta-Mechanic

    Alberta-Mechanic Light Load Member

    get some off that off road truckin in it will destroy your truck lol that's the stuff I fix plus Alberta oilfield so it attracts all the wage chasers so we get a lot of young guys 21 year olds and what not its to the point up here a driver doesn't even know how to wash. I keep trying to explain to the they are responsible if anything falls apart and hurts some one but they think because im a journey man of our company shop im the one in troublei keep telling them if dispatch asks you to go to work with something half broken they have to think they are responsible and have the rite of refusle they don't get it lol o well it sure makes for a really hard fleet to fix 15 trucks 30 trailers one mechanic lol I should be at work now lol
     
  7. 55_cans

    55_cans Light Load Member

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    Sounds like the diff needs some work, but think you lost your clutch adjustment. Maybe your clutch is at the end of its life or was adjusted wrong - won't hold adjustment. If the free play is minimal you'll lose higher gears first.

    Did you check free play, push the clutch pedal with your hand, does it move 1-2" down before any resistance is felt?
     
  8. notsonewb

    notsonewb Light Load Member

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    Seems like more than quaincidence that you had "adjusted" clutch and now trouble , why did the clutch need adjusting ' how much adjusting ect? A clutch that was out would also not hold in high gears first then eventually at all , let us know what u end up replacing , thanks.
     
  9. Alberta-Mechanic

    Alberta-Mechanic Light Load Member

    Regardless of all transmission problems you should never be Abel to turn drive shaft wich I can assure you means there is problems in rear diff front diff or front diff threw shaft or axel broken.
     
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  10. Alberta-Mechanic

    Alberta-Mechanic Light Load Member

    Ibet it's front diff threw shaft
     
  11. Alberta-Mechanic

    Alberta-Mechanic Light Load Member

    I've also seen yoke in front diff over heat because the oil was not getting that high and the yoke and splines melted rite off of course that happened because there was such low oil in diff
     
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