Uber has suspended their self-driving vehicle programs, including self-driving trucks, after one of their autonomous vehicles struck and killed a woman over the weekend. This is the first known incident of a pedestrian being killed by a vehicle in autonomous mode.
At approximately 10pm on March 18th, 49-year-old Elaine Herzberg was crossing a street in Tempe, Arizona. She was walking her bicycle across a section of the road without a pedestrian crosswalk and was struck by one of Uber’s self-driving Volvo XC90s. She was taken to the hospital where she died the next day from her injuries.
The Tempe police have released dash cam footage of the accident which you can see below. It does not show the moment of impact, but the footage may be disturbing.
In it, you can see that the Uber safety driver appeared to be distracted, looking down at her lap instead of at the road in front of her. She looks up just before the video feed stops, presumably at the moment of impact.
The accident is under investigation, but as of right now it is unclear what exactly happened. Despite being outfitted with radar, cameras, and laser sensors, neither the vehicle nor the safety driver applied the brakes before the accident occurred. It is not clear if an attentive human driver could have reacted in time to avoid the accident or mitigate the damage done by it.
Uber has said that it is cooperating fully with the investigation and have grounded their autonomous vehicles temporarily.
Source: truckinginfo, overdrive, ttnews, ttnews, popularmechanics, bloomberg, forbes, usatoday, tempepolice
Eyewitnesses say it was the safest fatality they have ever seen. GOOOO technology!
Don’t even mention the driver Uber. You made your autonomous bed now sleep in it!
A human paying attention could have clearly avoided this but the self driving car that’s supposed to be safer than a human looks like that is false all these cars should be banned from operation just think when a uber or tesla semi that’s CPU operated slams into a traffic jam how many people will be injured or killed
Did you even watch the video? If so, please tell us at what time in the video you can see the woman, and how much time there was from that point to impact.
The point of autonomous technology is that the radars and sensors “see” what you wouldn’t so your question of when you see the person to the point of impact is null and void.
This is volvo’s fault for once again trying to cheat their way into keeping up..Their self driving technology is still in it’s infancy and should have never been deployed as it is..Thing is tho this clearly looks like a 4 lane highway 45mph+ so pedestrians shouldnt have been on it especially at night most states have outlawed pedestrians on their highways not to mention crossing without a cross walk is jaywalking and illegal so the pedestrian is at fault period…If she was going to be crossing the road at night she should have been wearing reflective gear instead of black which makes them near impossible to see that is also the law in most states..Here bicycles at night are required to have working lights if they are to be in operation period..headlight and taillight
It’s fair to say that we did not see her until fairly late into the incident, but an attentive driver had enough time to react, if an inattentive drive had enough time to make a face. The accident might not have been prevented, but any braking would have been better than none. Moreover, an attentive human driver would have been unlikely to be driving that fast, under the visibility conditions shown in the video. At the very least, a human driver would have been likely to put in high beam headlights, before going that fast.
Not that human drivers aren’t inclined to make mistakes, or that they never do anything stupid, but this would clearly have had a better chance of avoiding a fatality, had the driver been paying attention.
MrYowler, did you really just say that an attentive driver wouldn’t have been driving that fast?
I didn’t catch the street name of the accident, but it’s not unreasonable to assume that 40 mph was the speed limit for the road, given that it’s a common speed limit in Tempe.
And idk what planet you live on, but nobody drives the speed limit. So, it’s actually more likely that an attentive driver would’ve been going about 10mph over (very common for Tempe/Phoenix/Chandler/Mesa area). And at the increased speed, the attentive driver would’ve had even less time to react, if any at all.
I do, however, agree that an attentive driver doing the same speed (40) would’ve been able to react enough to at least lessen the severity.
Change your attitude or get off my roads. This was a residential neighbourhood and people who are not sociopaths don’t speed in them.
check the dark clothing on the cyclist. crossing in a dark/contrasting headlight lighting situation. Yet, the “safety driver ” is not doing her
job.
If you are in the drivers seat…the first priority is to DRIVE!
These are test vehicles and the driver is in a test situation, and
clearly, as this ‘safety driver’ is being paid, she is on duty!
This is a Darwin Award….
God Bless the Lady who was hit.
The Lawyers will bless her family.
I was a vehicle evaluator for Roush,Inc through Christmas, as temp job, on CDL vehicles, Class A for 40 years now, no charge-ables or
preventables, clean CSA/PSP/MVR. Many drivers come and go from Roush, as a vehicle evaluator is told every morning when they start work, what to do to be safe, what will get them fired. It is depressing to start your day off like that at 4:00am, but a lot of the hires are asleep at the wheel, and can’t follow simple instructions.
I feel blessed to not have harmed anyone, yet know this can happen anytime,to ANYONE.
That driver certainly wasn’t alert and not at all seeing the big picture.
Not tooting my own horn here…saying it is irresponsible on the part of the safety driver not to be alert and ready.
The video shows the results.
“IDK what planet you live on, but nobody drives the speed limit”.
I have NEVER gone more than 5 miles over the Speed Limit IN ANY STATE ON ANY ROAD. And I’ve been driving over 30 years.
Never had an accident or a ticket.
Just because YOU don’t believe the laws in place apply to you does not mean that ‘nobody drives the Speed Limit’. I have met many Drivers that obey the law.
I do agree that an attentive Driver would’ve likely been able to mitigate or eliminate the risk, provided they were actually driving defensively/safely.
If a human were driving (at 10+mph over posted Speed Limit), he/she is automatically at fault. Period. Ask any cop. Ask any judge.
ANY attentive Driver, driving conscientiously, would’ve had enough presence to prevent this accident entirely.
Autonomous vehicles are not perfect, but Humans are less so- especially those who believe, “Well, everybody else is doing it”.
“Evil always thinks it’s doing right”.
To quote a tired axiom: “If your best friend jumped off a bridge, would you?”
This was an unfortunate incident and I pray for the family affected. It just shows that the technology isn’t ‘there’ yet.
Everybody is freaking out, fearing this technology will supplant Humans in this industry, putting them out of a job.
Everybody said the same thing about computers in the ’80s- didn’t happen then, not gonna happen now.
The only reason this technology is even being considered is because the current generation of ‘Professional Drivers’ care more about money than safety.
In my 30+ years of driving, I have never failed to pay my bills. Unless weather and roads prevent, I have never delivered a load late.
I do not fear this ‘autonomous’ technology: it will never replace conscientious, safety-centric Drivers.
Those who place their paycheck above the safety of others have a right to panic- y’all are gonna be out of work…
I agree. Unfortunately it seems that drivers of these vehicles will not pay attention properly. It looked like the driver was on Facebook or something.
Re MrYowler:
I don’t care how attentive you are, if that was me behind the wheel, I would have hit her for sure. UNLESS I had the high beams on- which in the case of on coming traffic, wouldn’t have been on. OTOH, the sensors were supposed to pick her up. My ONGARD probably wouldn’t have picked her up until it was too late because she was virtually
stationary and not moving fwd.
Dude! Eyes are not a camera. We don’t see pixilated images through tiny lenses like a camera. Our eyes are FAR more capable than the cheap dash cam you’re watching in the vid. We don’t kill people all the time. It’s called keeping your eyes on the road and paying attention.
A whole 4 seconds. It should have tapped brakes & swerved.
Pretty stupid place to j-walk tho.
The other thing is just because that’s all you could see in the video doesn’t mean you couldn’t see her earlier in person.
So everything goes automated, more people get killed. Just imagine the majority of vehicles and big trucks now drive themselves.(in the near future) Will the vehicles be shut down then, Crippling the U.S.A. …
I Think not, this would be TOO BIG TO FAIL. When have we heard this before?
I’ll bet when the first “car” accident happened there were people saying….SEE! I’m never getting one of those death machines, No Sir! I’m sticking to my old horse and buggy! For all those against Technology, this is what you sound like.
it doesn’t matter that we sound like Luddites, we are saying it is foolish to trust people’s lives with this technology.
You know why?
The”safety driver ” was immersed in texting, NOT taking
care of the first order of business….priority is to DRIVE.
Humans do what is prudent for themselves.
So prudence aside, the cyclist is dead because you wish to trust a robot to do the job that was entrusted to a human to do,” be the safety driver” ,or is that just a title for the lawyers to define?
Stupid is as Stupid does
and Millennials (the cliche’ coverall word for any one other than a baby boomer) are taught to think “tribalism” ,be obedient to the machine, the technology, the tablet, the cell phone, “think how we tell you to think”,
live in a humanist society where you have this perfect and upcoming society , Utopia Planetia.
The Utopia requires a strong spiritual leader with a conscience,
yet the lies of today allow you to have a hard conscience, which dismisses responsibility for your actions.
That bicycle rider was taking her own life in her hands, see any reflectors but her light colored shoes??.
Unlit crossing..no crosswalk.
So what happened to the vorad/lidar/infra-red motion detectors on the robot vehicle?
Incompetent engineering…a human decision to say the vehicle is safe
and safe to operate with an”incompetent “safety driver”…
And you wish to trust Technology and all it’s accompanying lies
and promises to save Humanity…. the fault here starts with humans and ends with humans…with all our attendant weaknesses and vices.
It’s not about being against tech, it’s about being against needless trinket junk we don’t really need. With all the different problems we have in this world we got bigger fish to fry on the innovation front- or is the greed of the nahnah land computer obsessed techy’s too important?
Sorry for her and her family loss, if you all stop trying to replace humans with robots and taking over jobs away. It’s already hard enough to get a job in America, then to be replaced
This is why these cars/semi should NEVER EVER be allowed!!!! THE “SAFETY DRIVER” was clearly on the phone NOT giving a damn about “SAFETY”…. People DO NOT pay attention now & can’t stay off their phone when they have to drive the car…… THEY DO NOT NEED ANOTHER REASON to be on their phones even more while behind the wheel driving or “safety driving” as they would make you believe they are doing….. SUE THE HELL OUT OF UBER & THE MAKERS OF THE TECHNOLOGY!!!!!!!!!!! Make them pay BIG TIME!!!!!!
First of All. That woman was NOt visable Until moment of impact. And, That women crossing a street – clearly Did Not have the Right of Way. She had No business crossing a street AT Night (no Less) where traffic is traveling that faster Than Her. She was In the Wrong. Crazy. This Happens A Lot. Ppl are arrogantly & Ignorantly crossing Roads – Roads Designated For Cars to Drive UPON. Use Common Sense!!
autonomous bus crash in Vegas, truck driver involved immediately blamed…. California Tesla driver with car in autonomous mode, truck
in intersection in right of way with light, trucker was partly blamed by authorities(many experts here) for his speed through intersection.
Tesla driver watching video and trailer low topped him as autonomous mode Tesla ran the light.
This is third reported accident/incident.
A pedestrian ALWAYS has the right of way. You strike a pedestrian with a vehicle, you are ALWAYS 100% at fault. Those are the rules of the road. I don’t see why we must change them for AI.
The AI had about 3 to 4 seconds since the pedestrian was lit by the headlamps. Safety driver needs some jail time.
Boohoo
Now the autonomous vehicle must contend with what a human driver has to
🙁
Poor robot!
I knew this would eventually happen. Just think if it was a big truck. Even if it is a semi atonamis vehicle people don’t have the discipline to stay alert without driving.
So the machine takes the wrap because the human with the bike was killed. What in the world was she crossing with no crosswalk in the dark and didn’t appear to even look. Impaired? If not why wasn’t she riding the bike? All this focus on the machine, look who really was at fault here. I’m sorry this happened but fact is fact.
Pedestrians always have the right of way, even when they are stupid or suicidal. The AI can’t go to jail. It has no skin in the game. It shouldn’t be trusted. Driving is a privilege to humans, not machines. Machines have no rights. That pedestrian had the right to live, even if she was impaired or mentally defective.
The machine is suppose to do better regardless- and low and behold…… It CANT!
Looked to me like the pedestrian was not at a crosswalk, but crossing in the dark in the middle of nowhere. Pedestrian also has some culpability here, shouldn’t just walk out infront of traffic at night (anytime).
My best guess is driver was looking at phone judging by glow. Could be glow from dash lights but I think she was glancing up occassionally while focusing mainly on whatever was in her lap. If it was simply the dash it would more likely be the other way round, glancing down but focusing more on the road. But phone records will show.
That being said, it’s hard to tell anything from this short nighttime video. I could be way off.
a mentor will train a driver to keep their eyes moving, not to be fixed
on any thing in the cab of a vehicle. Turn your head, be aware of your surroundings, gauges, mirrors, look often.
This is clearly texting. The “safety driver might not have as much culpability here if she were sitting in the passenger seat texting,
with an emergency stop button to react, but clearly the article
relates “safety driver” and she was not doing her job, dead cyclist or not.
She had to be assuming from UBER authorities that this was a safe operation, and clearly ignored that she was being video recorded.
Stupid is as Stupid does…..
So charles, what is this new coming technology worth against a human life?
Let’s see if UBER or any one can write a large enough check for that??
must be some key word here that upset the monitors..
going to censor me again.
Oh come on guys, do you REALLY believe that you would be able to avoid someone in dark clothing, in between street lights, who walks out in front of you on a 45 mph+ road??!?
The only way you might have been able to get warning is if you happened to see her silhouette against the taillights ahead of you, and that is iffy.
And no, you can’t use high beams, there is traffic ahead, so you would be on low beams.
This is one of those accidents that the driver is not going to be able to avoid 99% of the time, even if you are a Supertrucker.
And also remember that the autonomous vehicles are still being trained and refined, and so all of the companies are going to be studying this accident and figuring out how to detect a person walking out in front of a car like that, so in the future they will be even safer than humans, as the computers learn to recognize and avoid this type of situation.
Stop defending faulty technology.
Come on Tuck! They will program every conceivable scenario in there and no one will ever wreck again!
Exactly!
As others have stated, a human driving would have applied the brakes sooner, and therefore the bodily impact lessened. Also, if a human is in my path and I am under speed, I will swerve to avoid as much as possible striking a person. That clearly did not even factor in here. And I think that at the end of the day our reliance on technology will be our downfall, after all it is only a machine.
if you have driven or had driven the bendix onguard braking system,
you would know that the autonomous override from this type of
system would have detected the cyclists movement and braked,
and it did not.
This system on board the vehicle did not work, the vorad/lidar
did not work(did it not detect a reflected signal of radar/infrared?)
and the safety driver totally fails here.
Did she buy into the engineering sales pitch that this system was safe on this vehicle? How much professional driver training did she have.
The first priority when driving is to DRIVE!
SEE the mitchell1 site for a definition of FCAM and other similiar
collision avoidance braking systems.
This is a major engineering screw up.
Ya you’re right. Just a human guinea pig dead.
at what cost Technology??
gotta love the “supertrucker” label people
people place on truckers who speak with experience.
The “safety driver” relied on tech AI robot to do
her job..
Where was the “DRIVER TEXTING ” active alert and
automatic shutdown of the system, pulling the vehicle to a stop
with warning flashers for other vehicles?
OOOPS.
That won’t be installed until Tuesday, for you Techies.
Yikes
The lawyers are just salivating over this one. Uber better be prepared to pay. I’m hoping the liability will be too much for these companies.
are you hero,s really that worried about your jobs,, its sad but according to video no machine or 10 people in car could have avoided this, its tragic but odds are she was on cell phone when she walked into street
I would have avoided it easily!
I would have expected a device with electronic response times (very quick) to have avoided this easily! This is part of the problem with automated systems! Put some rain or overspray or snow or blowing snow or super potholes into the picture and pray that you are far away from these automated vehicles when the unexpected happens!
doubt it…pushing a bicycle, not riding it, usually takes both hands,
especially in the dark.
not talking heroes here…talking about the value of a human
life reduced to a commodity, so that greedy, cold- hearted corporate
stockholder values can be enhanced to the maximum.
Dear Professional Drivers: please see the value in taking your hard earned money and investing in the Trillion plus dollar technology. While waiting for your bank account returns to show on your statements, you can pluck a five dollar bunch of flowers and place
it on this ladies grave.
Dear professional nobody: when Skinet comes it is not just going to put you out of business, its going to put you out of your missery. Even Elon Musk is affraid of unleashing the demon.
If you 4wheelers with an average commute time to work of 25min and are soooo phucking lazy & stupid that can’t focus on driving and kill someone while bull$hittin on your phones you deserve the book thrown at you.
if you have driven or had driven the bendix onguard braking system,
you would know that the autonomous override from this type of
system would have detected the cyclists movement and braked,
and it did not.
This system on board the vehicle did not work, the vorad/lidar
did not work(did it not detect a reflected signal of radar/infrared?)
and the safety driver totally fails here.
Did she buy into the engineering sales pitch that this system was safe on this vehicle? How much professional driver training did she have.
The first priority when driving is to DRIVE!
SEE the mitchell1 site for a definition of FCAM and other similiar
collision avoidance braking systems.
This is a major engineering screw up.
but there are plenty of engineers and investors out there
willing to kill you to make a killing on this killer technology!
From the viewpoint of the camera ,I don’t think that could have been avoided even if the driver was alert. But……cameras dont actually present a version that is quite real, do they? It’s apparently so dark out you can’t see anything except the limited amount the headlights show and then kapow! So the automated car was overdriving it’s sensor range?? THAT is something a human driver should have noticed the first time that abomination was driven at night. The driver shouldn’t be put in jail for committing manslaughter, they should be jailed for being idiotic enough to get in that monstrosity to begin with. Only a moron would surrender complete control to a machine and then take the blame for it when it kills someone. Mindless machines cannot drive a vehicle,except on a battlefield or in a coal mine. I can prove it, there is an airline that will give you a free ticket to your wildest vacation dreamscape you can imagine, the only catch is there isn’t a pilot onboard , it’s totally automated. Do you go? Airplanes that are totally automated are actually safer than automated cars so what’s the problem? Yes, the car still had a driver in it, but we know that drivers are not going to pay any attention to what’s going on around them if it’s just hours and endless hours of observation interspersed with momentary life or death decisions the driver will fail every time. You have to be engaged in driving to be engaged in driving, period. I look forward to a day when these machines are ruling the landscape because when that day comes I’m going to do my best to put the accursed things into the wall.
the plane flying from South America to Europe lost it’s speed
pitot sensors. The Captain of the flight was resting, tried to get to the cockpit in time to save the flight and the people, but was thrown around
by the in-expert actions of the flight crew, who could not tell if the nose of the plane was up or down..experienced people relying on the computers…which had failed due to some failed sensors.
Took a while to find the black boxes and figure out the scene…
many people dead either way…they trusted the machine to do that
which should remain in the domain of human control….
the pilots did not know how to fly the plane…
they found their level of incompetence.
Clearly shown in this video of the crash the robot car and dead cyclist.
Royce…investigate the beam width/forward detection range of the available
collision avoidance systems…..the auto braking should have detected the movement….
the weather is clear…possible the system could not detect the low surface area of the bicycle and the rf ping was absorbed by the
cyclist’s body….yet bendix has added vehicle on the side of road
detection and braking…
whomever’s system…it did not work, and the override was the safety driver, and that system failed mightily.
rest the lady in peace
More Power to her Lawyers
I watched the video. There was time to react if the driver had been paying attention. Also to be fair the women crossing the road was not paying attention either. So what you get with the driver and the padestrian not paying attention is a recipe for disaster.
I do not want to share the road with any automated vehicle! Too many people are motivated by more profit to take shortcuts and that cannot happen on our highways! This needs to be stopped now!
Nobody is talking about how poorly lit this road was
So what? The car has lasers… it doesn’t matter if it’s dark. The fact is, it doesn’t frigging work and it killed someone.
70 gigahertz lidar (radar)
possibly infrared sensors..etc…
NONE of it worked.
Neither did the “safety driver”….this remains in the
provenance of the driver to do their jobs , and when you drive,
ROBOT or not, driving is your first priority.
BE safe ya all
Hey John that’s a bit of a stretch! You can see she is holding the handle bars with both hands! On the other hand I’m pretty sure that the Driver wasn’t looking at her knees! But more likely at the instruments or her cellphone!
Hey, cmon, a couple lines of code will fix that. Only a thousand more situations to go until the perfect vehicle. It’s all about the algorithm.
I’ll bet those bits of code won’t be able to dig a big enough hole
to bury all the people who were promised…wait for it…
SAFETY!
The is no such thing as perfect safety…but for all you techies out there
who would use this cliched and way over used word to perfect a robot without a soul or a conscience…to tell the rest of us what is safe.
Shame everlasting to you.
Everyone seems to forget that the only claims being made about autonomous vehicles is that they will make the roads safer. Safer is not the same as 100% safe. I don’t think anyone with a dog in this race is claiming autonomous vehicles will eliminate 100% of all accidents or vehicle deaths. We lose 37,000 lives every year in the US alone. If autonomous vehicles take that number to 3700 lives a year it makes the roads much safer, but we will still see 3700 people die at because of autonomous vehicles every year. Any rational person would see the value in that. But those who don’t understand math will just bitch every time an accident happens that these vehicles make the roads more dangerous even though 90% of those who would’ve died each year are still alive because of them.
I would rather rely on people than computers. They are man made they will FAIL. Personally I don’t want one anywhere around me.
You guys are acting like people have never accidentally hit people.
Typical super truckers.
yep Gary, people do have accidents, and the justice system
is unbalanced..just see how many drunk drivers have more than one violation and keep driving….
How many strikes to the robot car before we realize the folly
of this?
No AI is sentient with a conscience for good or bad.
Will the AI be prosecuted.??
The video clearly shows the “safety driver” not doing the job
of safe driving.
This is not an “accident”…Period.
The tone of this more recent article is dire. Experts are thinking that the “eyes” of the vehicle malfunctioned.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/451420002
quote”The report said Uber’s self-driving Volvos were disengaging from autonomous mode at a far greater rate than rivals, which suggests the technology was having problems negotiating its environment and frequently handing control back to safety drivers — and sometimes those safety drivers were found to not be paying attention.”
ouch!
Does that mean that possibly the robot had handed off control to
this driver? and this driver was unaware…that par is obvious.
quote …”http://mitchell1.com/shopconnection/aeb-invades-trucking-industry/”
here is how the system is “supposed” to work.
I have experience that says NO.
The national report released March 1 shows Arizona had the highest rate of pedestrian fatalities per 100,000 population based on data for the first six months of 2017….This was BEFORE Uber incident…:(
The only way I see driverless technology actually working and killing the least number of people is in dedicated lanes that are barricaded (or maybe elevated) off from any other traffic – and that are not accessible to pedestrians. Otherwise, Overall, my opinion is that this is one of the stupidest technologies to be developed in my lifetime. There is no way you will EVER make these sorts of vehicles 100% safe, and people will continue to be killed.
The porpose of automated vehicals are so a driver DOESN’T have to be totally attentive. Writing the story like the driver did something wrong is BS. If human lives have to die so Uber and others can test out automated vehicles, then they should pay.
but in this case…this is a test vehicle…with a Paid, supposedly
professional ,”safety driver”. Culpability is ,first, going to the driver,
and equal or greater to volvo/uber.
Drop the texting .
A person is dead.
People are basing there responses on what the camera recorded. Low light I can see better than my home security camera. They base there commen t on a vary narrow field of view. I would have been scanning the road ahead and to the sides in micro seconds. I would have used predictability knowledge to anticipate something like this. AND be prepared. Just because the speed limit is 40..it is only a suggested MAXIMUM. It doesn’t appear she jumped out of nowhere. She is coming from the left where there are already lanes. Of course she has some fault. Accidents are not ever one single cause. It is a series of events. But that does not negate her life. I Search Identify Predict Decide and Execute life saving manuevers every single day. Something no machine yet can promise to do. Google doesn’t even predict or know traffic patterns. Don’t discount her life in your Kool Aid drunkeness. Next time some careless, mindless, irresponsible techno buddy may just run your butt down too.
I have a feeling some BOTS are posting on here hyping up this technology. Part of mainstream media’s attempt to force it down our throats. If any of you techno geeks think you can get an autonomous truck to do what I do, put your money where your mouth is. You best be willing to program that truck to get within inches of hitting things every day. Stick to video games, let men do real work.
That camera and recording are Ubers and pro autonomous techs get out of jail ticket. It is not a true depiction of the actual visibility or time frame leading up to the event. The camera is weak. But it will be introduced as The Evidence. I am not against technology at all. Just quit forcing it down our throats as (1) It is currently better than what it really is. (2) That is is perfect. (3) And quit trying to apply it as a one size fits all or is capable of.
quote…..”https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/451420002″
here is the reported failures of the particular systems…..
why is this system not still relegated to the closed test track
with target dummies ??
Am I the only one that knew this was going to happen?
It appears she wasn’t crossing at a pedestrian crosswalk, nd she’s wearing dark clothes at night. It also appears there are no reflectors and/or lights on her bike. She’s on a poorly lit road.
quote…”https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/451420002″
engineers under pressure by company to produce results of
robotic superiority….
This smacks of Shareholder/Investor maximum return values
and greed is at the bottom of this trend.
Gary,
Actually I focus on both the forward and rear cameras and counting the time sequence of the Streetlights and it seems witnin 2-3 seconds they are accelerating quickly leading me to believe the possibility she judged the speed of the oncoming vehicle as safe to get across but then the Uber car accelerated dramatically into the impact. Yes those are street lights. Just proves my point above about how this video is not even close to the clearness and how easily it would be for normal human eye , paying attention to have seen the bicyclist well in advance.
The term safety monitor of an autonomous vehicle is an oxymoron. If their job is to ensure the car does not hit anything…why the heck don’t they just get paid to drive ? Leaves a total false sense of security and safety. Safety monitor porbably averaging the Uber driver $3.73 per hour.
Im sure it’s only a glitch…
https://youtu.be/mrXfh4hENKs
was that the heads of volvo and uber???
I see two things. The pedestrian is crossing in the dark instead of the light, not even looking at oncoming traffic. The Uber driver is not watching the road at all.. Both are guilty of not “paying attention”..!!!
https://www.tucsonaz.gov/files/bicycle/sharingtheroadwithpeds2011.pdf
A pedestrian crossing a roadway at a point where a
pedestrian tunnel or overhead pedestrian crossing
has been provided shall yield the right-of-way to all
vehicles on the roadway.Arizona law
Honestly…..i watched this over And over….. I put blame on the lady with bicycle.
1. Not a ped xing
2. Ped had dark clothes and no light on bike.
3. As far as i can tell, the computer followed the rules of the road….while on the other hand. The last waking across the road did not.
She saw the car coming and continued to walk.
She hit the car….not the car hit her.
Thanks troll!
”https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/451420002″
QUOTE.”
quote …”http://mitchell1.com/shopconnection/aeb-invades-trucking-industry/”
here is how the system is “supposed” to work.
I have experience that says NO.”
This is shareholder/CEO/investor pressure
to make the tech work and maximize return value on investment…
Greedy people..
UBER stole a lot of tech, emails made public when they hired their
technology wiz away from the competition…they are being sued
more info being mined by the court involved to show theft of
technology being transferred…
If a valid license holder is required to be in the the driver seat while in operation what is the point of self driving vehicles? Sure it is a nice display of technology but at the same time its a huge risk, one I will never take, would you get in a plane and let it fly itself?
the planes do fly themselves… the autopilot flies the majority
of the flight on airlines…landing and take offs are routinely done by the flight crews…from take off to flight level..think triangle from ground…
then to landing, at flight level in a jet at 35 to 41,000 feet, the engines cut back, saves fuel, basically gliding/coasting to landing, where flight
crew takes over(hopefully, hats off to the human pilots), yet auto take off and landing are available.
I hope you guys plan to issue a correction on this, so much false information here. Turns out it wasn’t preventable, the speed limit and how fast the vehicle was traveling are not even accurate. Pedestrian was at fault here.
Jozehiah…
please see these quotes”
”https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/451420002″
QUOTE.”
quote …”http://mitchell1.com/shopconnection/aeb-invades-trucking-industry/”
here is how the system is “supposed” to work.
I have experience that says NO.”
the volvo system or other system with fcam/similar should have detected the cyclist well down range of the location of the vehicle.
The current reporting and understanding of how the system is supposed to work and the video says vorad/lidar failed and should have handed over control to the driver.
Perhaps the system detected the driver was “TEXTING” and overrode the hand off???
Still, that would mean failure of the system and the system should have pulled the vehicle to the side of the road with warning flashers on and locked down the operation as an emergency stop/no safety driver available.
This is stupid engineering.
Hopefully what you are saying was “UN-preventable” is quoted from
some industry insider trying to protect this as yet very untried/untrue
and most UN-reliable AI tech.
Someone is dead because the engineers were incompetent and culpable and failed to add a”Texting Monitor” fail-safe on a robot vehicle in a TEST situation, and the driver was incompetent, owing to the fact she was TEXTING, and not doing her job.
Be safe out… when You drive..be the Driver.
The saddest scariest part of this scenario is that there are people
justifying people dying so this AI tech can take over the job that
people should always do…
That is: The first Priority when driving is to DRIVE, and Drive Safely
as Possible!
You people give your opinion like you all know it all , but not one person in this entire world has constantly kept their eyes on the road at all times, Every single person sometime or another while driving looks away looks down and the best one yet is look at their phone… may God be with the family……
After reviewing the video I must say- I saw them crossing nearly as soon as the tape started rolling
A quick brake and swerve would have prevented death.
The camera showed down the road about a quarter of a mile but it being night with no cross walk and no reflectors it would have been tough for any attentive driver to see the cyclist at that speed however the driver might have noticed a person if she was focused down the road and at least applied the brakes I’m sorry for the pedestrian but all three subjects need to step it up a little