It’s been years since trucker Hours Of Service (HOS) regulations were redone in 2013. And amended in 2016. And amended again just a few months ago with a major overhaul. And yet there’s still confusion about what is and is not considered a ‘yard move’ for HOS purposes. Now FMCSA has issued a proposal which could both clarify and broaden the definition of a yard move.
The distinction between what is and is not considered a ‘yard move’ is one of those HOS problems that became a much larger issue when ELDs became mandatory. A yard move is on-duty, non-driving time. Part of the 14-hour day, but not part of the 11-hour drive time.
FMCSA is proposing to clarify that moving a truck will count as a yard move “only if the movement of the CMV occurs in a confined area on private property (or intermodal facility or briefly on public roads, as described below).”
But not all private property. And only sometimes on public roads. According to the proposed guidance, “Examples of properties that may qualify as yards include, but are not limited to:
- An intermodal yard or port facility.
- A motor carrier’s place of business.
- A shipper’s privately-owned parking lot.
- A public road, but only if and while public access to the road is restricted through traffic control measures such as lights, gates, flaggers or other means. For example, if a driver must operate on a public road briefly to reach different parts of a private property, the movement may be considered a yard move if public access is restricted during the move.
(b) Examples of properties that do not qualify as yards, include, but are not limited to:
- A public road without the traffic control measures in paragraph (a)(4) above.
- Public rest areas.”
Thanks, FMCSA. Real clear.
Source: truckinginfo, fleetowner
DG says
HOS needs to be done away with. Why is it i can get in my pickup and drive straight thru from MI to CA and its not even a thing but in a semi daddy dot has to tell me no? Its stupid and does nothing but limit my income.
Gary says
It’s a no-brainer…Fatigue and 80,000 pounds versus (maybe) 2,000 pounds. It’s all in the name of “safety”.
VD says
Why we have more truck incidents now then before on paper log?
My guess is drivers were more responsible versus now fighting for existence and trying to use limited time as much as possible.
Marek says
Bunch of new young drivers + stupidly designed new truck models.
John says
Exactly . On paper,you could park and nap if you were tired. If traffic was backed up you could pull over and rest a couple hrs. When it cleared continue your day. Not so today. Drive when your sleepy. Sit in traffic burning your day. Then have to speed to try to get what you can out of your day.
Souldog says
Understood but why can federal and local law enforcement work all the hours they want not understanding that they income is not cut short and the get fatigued ijs
MrYowler says
4-wheeler drivers are just as capable of causing a tractor-trailer wreck as tractor-trailer drivers. Any rule that applies to us, to address driver fatigue, should also apply to them.
If the argument revolves around our status as professionals, then other professionals (such as lawyers, doctors, and legislators) should be subject to similar logging, medical, substance, and surveillance measures – and regulatory penalties. If it’s about public safety, then anyone whose work affects the safety of others should be subject to these same requirements and penalties. Where do I go to look up the ten-year history of courtroom performance of my lawyer? The bi-annual urine test results of a candidate for Senate? The amount of sleep that my surgeon got, last night, or over the past eight days?
Incarcerated prisoners are (arguably) not monitored or regulated as closely as truck drivers. It’s not done because it’s necessary – it’s done because we have no power to stop it.
Max says
Be careful what you ask for. The government has shown it’s desire to control the populace by any means possible. We want LESS control, not more!
MrYowler says
If the government applied these measures to everyone, there would be a political revolt. Let someone tell a legislator that he must yeild his seat because his neck is too fat and he won’t wear his sleep apnea vacuum cleaner at night, and changes will soon follow.
cj58 says
Boy people can really get off topic. They’re just trying to find ammendments to the yard move regulations and anyway our industry is totally governed by the insurance industry. Any of you ever bother to notice the giant billboards along the interstate that advertise these lawyers getting money for these accidents involving trucks
Dennis Chapman says
And again, on the other side of this issue, well said!
JEFFREY S PERKINS says
its a cash cow for them
James McCurdy says
Gentlemen! There is a section of this whole hour of service that is not talked about and is caused by the drivers themselves. We have a set of rules to go by for the otr drivers, however, the drivers who work local think they should have different rules for them because they drive a little then sit for a while, then drive again and sit again. Why should a driver who works local be required to take a lunch break when he or she is sitting a spell at each stop or at one-stop load, they can eat while they are sitting on-duty not driving. You see this is where the problems arise for the FMCSA, they can not figure out a simple rule to cover all drivers. It is not their fault and it is not the drivers fault, it is the fault of both, because they set the rules but you as a driver whether it be local or OTR think the rules should be different him or her, so this makes it very confusing for them to set rules.
Dennis Chapman says
Well said!
Plinio Silva says
But if that 2000 pounds car lose control or fall sleep on the Road and this end up causing a semi truck to crash , then what???? We all share the road and should do our part to be responsible for our and others safety on the roads
Dennis Chapman says
Excellent point! Lets just all sign up for the connection to the Matrix and stop wringing our hands over this issue!
Samuel Capel says
I know it’s still a small amount though my pickup truck weighs 6,000 lbs alone. Now if I attache to my RV trailer fully loaded I weigh almost 36,000 lbs. and I still have no log books to run. Make little sense to me.
Donald Baker says
Because you’re not carrying 80,000 lb and something that can easily get away and kill dozens of people in the right situation as a pickup truck that weighs 5 or 6,000 lb
Dale Schaefer says
You must of missed the facts in there somewhere. 80 percent of all semi accidents are the result of an autos action. They are 80 pecent of the problem. So if 2000lb car causes 80000lb semi to wreck 80 percent of the time who does that make the problem.
matski says
If you are driving that pickup commercially, you have to follow the HOS rules just like a semi.
Abel B. says
Not only that, why someone can work for 12hrs in a warehouse and then drive their car or pick up for as long as they want to go home or just run around doing their own thing ?
Mike says
There supposed to but no one is enforcing it or others that pull trailers doing more than 85 mph
Scott gammon says
I do not agree with HOS rules as they generally do not comply with the way I most comfortably drive safely, but doing away with them is a horrible idea!
Driving a truck is NOT like driving a car!!
And people who equate the two should not have a CDL. Without HOS drivers “not truckers” will push too hard and drive tired!!
Franklin Richardson says
Drivers drive tired now possibly more than paper logs. We could stop and take a nap then. Now we are fighting the 14 hour clock and the 10 hour break afterward. Always got to keep going because the clock is counting down. I do day trips. If I dont keep going, my 10 hour break keeps me from making it to the next days delievery.
Dennis Chapman says
This logic is BS. Prior to the original re-write of the HOS rules drivers could have the flexibility to pull off and sleep when needed. There are more fatigue related accidents now than back then & personally I have never been as fatigued as I am under the re-wright.
Matt brown says
Really?
The damage caused by semi costs millions of dollars vs the pickup truck.
It costs $50 to pullout a car from ditch vs a semi truck which costs in thousands. The customer don’t want damaged products so there goes your cargo claim… hence we need strong regulations around trucking.
MrYowler says
This assumes that the vehicle goes into a ditch. A pickup truck can just as easily hit a semi, causing all of the same problems as a semi going into a ditch on his own. Or a semi can opt for the ditch to avoid killing the guy in the pickup, when he does something stupid. A 4-wheeler is perfectly capable of causing a truck to wreck, and when both types of vehicles are involved in an accident, it is usually caused by the 4-wheeler.
Hence the need to regulate car drivers in the same way as truck drivers. If you think that is too invasive for the rest of the motoring public, then it must also be too invasive for professional drivers. There are plenty of pickup truck drivers that haul commercial freight and are already regulated this way.
There is no difference between them, and the 20-something driving his knobby-tires and lifted suspension home from the bar where he tried to impress someone he wanted to date – except that he can have a drink or two, before he drives home, and stay under the legal limit of 0.08% blood alcohol. The professional driver may not be able to swish and spit mouthwash, and reliably blow less than the 0.02% limit, which applies to him.
Really.
James McCurdy says
Matt Brown! Have you ever given it a thought as to how many of those costly damaged vehicles and loads were cause by a four-wheeler whose driver was doing something other than paying attention to his or her driving? What about drivers who drive in heavy rain or fog without their lights on and get run over by a big truck, it surely was not the fault of the truck driver because he could not see you, it was you who caused the accident however the police will blame the truck driver and then the lawyers will sue the company and you the cause of the accident will get millions for you unlawful act running with no lights on in the fog or rain.
Truck 77 says
That could possibly be the stupidest comment I’ve ever read on here. If you can’t figure out why there should be HOS rules then maybe you should find a new line of work.
John Kingsley says
As has always been the case. They make a rule change designed to help the driver and make them more productive, then come back and find ways to take back the extra time given, and then some.
Samuel Gallezzo says
I know that these proposed rule changes might seem like more freedom for drivers but it’s just more ways for companies to take advantage. Companies are making drivers fuel during break and advance loads in personal conveyance. I’m working more and making less. Wake up people!
Joe says
The company cant “make” you do anything. The choice to do that garbage is yours. Id say you need to find a better company and stop agreeing to work more and accept less. Respect yourself.
Juan Robledo says
That’s true, you’re the one behind the wheel, you need to CYA, the company won’t cover for your mistakes, they want a body to be in that truck, drivers are a dime a dozen, if you decide to leave for a better job, just make sure you leave in good standing
JEFFREY S PERKINS says
yes..dont comply
MrYowler says
Most drivers leave the industry before they have enough experience to have their pick and choose of employers, and most of the jobs are at training carriers who *say* that you’re the captain of your own ship, but that’s just their way of laying responsibility at your feet. Incentives and penalties overwhelmingly contradict this illusion of executive authority. If I’m “captain of my ship”, why is there a thing called “forced dispatch”? Take some time off to go look at the Grand Canyon while you’re under a load, and you’ll soon be disabused of the notion that you are in control of your own time. Oh, you can go – but consequences designed to dissuade you, will follow. Your truck may not even be there when you come back.
Joe says
I never went to a “training” company for a job. There are plenty of other options. Again, if you’re not willing to stand up for yourself and set limits on how you allow any company to treat you, then who’s fault is that? Personally, I have quit many,many a job because of “forced” dispatch and the office telling how to drive. When they won’t send you the demand via email or whatever your communication system, tell them to pound sand. Get the safety dept involved if necessary. There are options. Simple as that. The poor planning of others does not and never will constitute an emergency on my end.
Jeff Taylor says
Job hoppers are not the ones we hire! Trucking requires a special breed of person. If you don’t like long hours and being told when and where to be somewhere then maybe it’s not the job for you! In the end quitting one after another will get you nowhere!
James McCurdy says
Amen! Joe.
Joe says
For Jeff, Ive been doing this since ‘95, “job hopping” early on is how I got to know the bs in this industry. In fact, not once in my personal experience, did it negatively affect my getting another job. Got out for a few years and came back with a plan to get where Im at now. I run entertainment these days, usually out 10 months overall a year. I may know a little about long hours and having to get bleep done. Job hopping is often necessary in this business, unfortunately. If you dont set limits on how you allow others to treat you and live in fear of the dreaded “job hopper” label, well then thats ones choice. Never was mine was all I was saying. In anything really, if its broke, fix it. Anyone can do it.
Dennis Chapman says
@Jeff Taylor-Either you are an absolute morron or you happen to have the best driving job in the country. By the sound of your answer my bet is you dont drive!
James McCurdy says
I agree 100% of that, You are the driver and you are responsible to get the load to its destination in a safe manner, and being on time is important, however, if it does not allow you the proper time to stop and get the required rest, then it is your responsibility to refuse the load or just take it and drive legal and get it there when you can. I personally will not drive for a company that wants to push me to do something that is not safe.
Mike says
Sam, you need to learn to tell your company or dispatcher “no”. Being able to acrue a 30 minute non driving period while fueling does not mean that you MUST.
It’s simply an option for those who, like me, hated sitting necessarily for 30 minutes when “lunch” is a snickers bar or a 5 minute sandwich.
If your dispatcher had you running from customer to customer on a tight schedule and told you that you didn’t have time to take a shower, you’d tell him, “no” (hopefully). Do the same thing for your desired lunch break.
If you see a load won’t have enough time for you to REASONABLY run it or the carrier isn’t offering extra compensation that suits you for extra effort, tell them “no” BEFORE accepting the load and why.
People treat you the way you allow them to. Often, giving extra effort simply gets you stuck with more work to make up for someone else who did put their foot down or someone who (usually) was lazy or inept.
YOU are allowing your company to work you extra hard. They aren’t forcing you to do anything.
I’m a contractor. I do get paid by the mile or the hour. That fkn 30 minute break was the most frustrating part of my day. It was lost time that I was uncompensated for and WAS forced upon me by the regs.
I believe in running legal. A man shouldn’t have to cheat or lie to earn a living. I am also glad to have flexibility back that was present under the old rules. Our customers, the entire freight industry, simply doesn’t operate on a 10 and 14 cycle.
Mike says
Call chp and have them call dispatch and tell them your taking your mandatory 30 minutes of not sitting in cab and eating your lunch.
Kevin Mulligan says
WE ARE SHEEP!
Brad says
I use to work for a non union LTL company (Salsa), that micro managed every second of every hour available to drivers, if you took your break before your route was finished the Manager would ad more pickups on an already impossible daily task. now with the union job I have I’m required to take a 30 minute break before the 8th hour of on duty service.. as it should be.
Robin says
One size does not fit all and it sounds like there treating us like babies. It’s okay to move the truck up there is no traffic… Really?
Today, especially with ELDs that flag you if you move, and limited parking including reserved parking you need to be able to move the truck not only during your on-duty not driving status but even sometimes (unfortunately) when your off-duty.
E.g. somebody with a badge comes and knocks on your door and says move that truck or other reasons where you have to move it from one parking spot to another.
These guys need to stop treating truck driving like a 9 to 5 job.
Brad says
I agree, I was a lease driver over the summer while in between jobs.. One thing I found is there is absolutely not enough available secure parking. with the over flux of foreign drivers camping out in parking lots and drivers who never learned how to properly park finding a spot in the 11th hour is craziness.
MrYowler says
That will not happen while the people who make up the rules work 9-5 jobs.
James McCurdy says
I think most of the eld’s have a mileage limit as to when it kicks in like anything over 4 miles an hour or whatever it is set at. So if you have to move you just tell them it will take a while because you will not go over that limit just to move your truck. I go to Publix in Orlando and sometimes I see guys moving in the parking very slow and that is what they are doing as they do not want to kick in the eld.
Patsy Doriot says
I recently had to deal with the same situation. I was on my 10 hour break when a plow driver banged on my door in a private parking lot. He said,” lf you don’t move this truck, l will plow you in!” I crawled to the next lot, but the truck still showed motion. My company flagged me as a dot violation. This is crazy! What a freeking dictatorship! Safety my butt!
Patsy ED says
I do agreed that no person under 21 should drive a commercial vehicle. It is too risky for children in control of 40 tons of equipment. Maturity takes time.
Fred Malito says
Makes perfect sense to me, and I look forward to it if this is what they decide. I don’t have any idea what everyone is complaining about. This will help me plenty of other drivers immensely!
Phillip Nickerson says
Will FMCSA even exist when Autonomous trucks are operating at full capacity?
MrYowler says
Absolutely. Most commercial aircraft are capable of operating under automation, with only minimal direction from the flight crew – but the FAA isn’t getting any smaller…
Alex c says
All bs, chicken necks wife resigned now new,dude taking over,lets,see what ex mayor can do or what he knows about transportation or trucking
MrYowler says
As usual, he knows nothing. His qualifications are that he is a progressive democrat, and Biden hasn’t done enough so far, to mollify the progressive wing of his party. Like Chao, this is a political appointment, not a practical one, and if Mayor Pete had any professional integrity, he would turn it down on the basis that he is woefully underqualified and ill-equipped to do the job.
James says
Be nice if they stop messing with truck driver just trying to make a living &turn their attention to the 4 wheelers. They are the ones that need baby seating not us .
Travelwithdan says
Yard move is ridiculous at best
What you do on private property is none of the tyrant governments damn business. Government has overstepped it’s authority. The reason attack on Washington DC is just a sign that people are fed up with government corruption and control. Laissez Faire baby!
Charlene Brewster says
Been a Truck Driver many many years. An ex mayor has no idea what they are going to do. So Mr Biden Give me the job. I know what helps Drivers.
Adams says
There is always some type of loop holes to line someone’s pockets other than the driver’s. And believe me companies will use them yard moved and barely pay you and all it really accomplishes is taking some of your rest time and saving them money. It’s all bull.
They should have left it alone period
Scott gammon says
Yard move should NOT be a part of HOS.
The truck should be allowed to to do 20mph.
Example: you parked to await a PM or minor repair. You could switch to yard move to get your truck in and out of the shop without it affecting your HOS. waiting for repairs should not be a part of HOS; neither is waiting for then having to move your truck in someone’s yard!
Andrew H says
“Yard Move” is loosely defined as…
“How far you can drive before your E-log catches you.”
I could technically cross the state as long as I don’t do over 15.
MGE Dawn says
Don’t most ELDs trip at 5mph, though? Because I could’ve sworn we lost the 15mph trick once we were no longer able to use AOBRDs…
MrYowler says
Each one is different, and most are programmable, Dawn. There is usually a database of rules, exceptions, and thresholds, for fleets, trucks, and drivers – so two drivers in the same fleet on the same system may get dropped to the drive line at different speeds. Some systems are configurable by location, so that yard moves are limited only to customer facility locations, or to permit more distance at locations that are known to have larger yards. Almost all limit yard movement to a certain amount of time, movement, and/or distance from either a customer facility, or the location that you started your yard move from.
Ron Miller says
Wish I could go that fast my ELD goes off at 5 mph
Drifter says
How bout just doing away with the 14 hour rule. You CAN ONLY drive 11 hours in ANY 24 hour period without taking a 10 hour break. There, wasn’t that a practical, easy fix.
MrYowler says
When does a “24-hour period” begin or end? When I start driving? Midnight? What time zone? Can I start driving again without taking a ten-hour break, if I wait for the next “24-hour period”? Does that mean that I can drive 22 hours straight, as long as I drive from 1pm until 11am? Can I work at my other job, not driving, but also not resting, and then come back to work at my first job and drive?
Lawyers and bureaucrats can make anything complicated – and will. *They* get paid by the hour, to do so – and they aren’t limited to 11/14 hour a day, or 60/70 hours a week.
James McCurdy says
Yes, that would be perfect as long as the truck was programmed not to move after the 11 hours, because there are a lot of drivers who would drive more than 11 hours, and those are the drivers the FMCSA are trying to regulate.
JEFFREY S PERKINS says
do away with the clearinghouse, its a 8 billion dollar a year industry, if your not using during or before driving, they shouldnt be allowed to use urine or hair to see if you smoked weed on your own time
Benjamin Atwater says
We have the trial lawyers to thank for all these restrictive rules and regulations.
It’s really that simple.
BTW. All the state’s need to pass a law saying NO hand held devices while driving, with Huge fines!
When that happens, the roads will be much safer for All of us, and watch accident rates come Way down!
Adam says
This makes it so much easier to understand. Thanks for the clarification.
J Ossowski says
“… the movement may be considered a yard move if public access is restricted during the move.” Does that mean that all other traffic must be stopped or detoured during the move? Try that with shuttles at most auto plants. This makes as much sense as anything else coming out of the Swamp during the last 50 years. THAT is the sad and sorry part of all these rule changes.
Trevor says
Public access is restricted during the move just means that you’re not crossing a public road or driving on one.
James McCurdy says
You are actually allowed to drive 13.5 hours in a 24 hr period, but doing this day after day would put you in the sheep group. Companies need to assure drivers a good wage and safe routing with the proper time for rest and fueling.
Sean Logan says
A yard move can be done after the 14 runs outs so it’s not quite accurate to say it’s part of the 14 day. A yard move could mark the beginning of your 14 but isn’t a violation at the end of your day after the 14 has run out.
TT says
If Driving an 18 wheeler “fatigues” you, maybe you should find another occupation.
MrYowler says
Fatigue affects everyone, eventually. Even couch potatoes watching television must eventually sleep. If they ignore fatigue, couch potatoes have the advantage of putting no one at risk besides (possibly) themselves, but truck drivers *do* suffer from fatigue.
Your point remains valid, however, that experienced professionals are more likely to better understand their (often very individual) limits than desk-bound bureaucrats or legislators, most of whom are not even licensed to operate a commercial motor vehicle. I believe that the regulation is considered necessary, because experienced professionals are the underwhelming minority of commercial drivers currently on the roads. Most commercial drivers, today, are inexperienced, unprofessional, or some combination of the two. Perhaps compensation reform could contribute to correcting that situation, but the funding and political will is with the carriers, not the drivers, so it is the drivers who get regulated – not the employers. Government would rather nanny us, than them.
There is some room to argue that the regulation also serves to prevent carriers from pressuring drivers into pushing their limits, but existing compensation incentives and penalties, as well as the funding sources for the lobbying that promotes regulation of this type, intersect to illustrate that the regulation was not written to serve that purpose. Drivers are held accountable, and carriers maintain control. That is the agenda enacted by virtually all DoT regulation around Hours-of-Service. On the occasions that a carrier is subject to regulation, it is almost universally a barrier-to-entry for newer, smaller carriers – it keeps drivers from going independent, and operating under their own authority. If it wasn’t a government agency doing it, the Federal Trade Commission would probably call it “anti-trust”, and put a stop to it.
TT says
Sheeple drive an 11 hour day on a 14 hour clock. Real Drivers know what their own capabilities are and when to start and stop.
Donna Kennedy-Mitchell says
Hi all, this is about the 3rd lane situation. O.k. why is it that that truck drivers can’t ride in the 3rd lane without getting a ticket? That lane is suppose too be for the 6 wheels and under. But the 6 wheels and some semi’s and under wants too ride in the middle lane and right lane, driving 55-60 miles ph causing truck drivers that’s on elog too lose time, which is only 11 hrs of drive time. I think it’s BS. why can’t we ride in all lanes or just give the truckers the left and middle lane and let them work their way over if they have too get off on an exit. I just wish the one’s that came up with these driving rules would have sat back and thought this threw. Any clarification would be appreciated. Even though, nothing will be done about. I runs out of time before I can get from point A to B. Traffic jams every day and every where, it’s just ridiculous.
Nmn says
How about a yard move in truck stops. People could use their on duty fueling, do a yard move to park and continue off duty to complete 30 minute break. Might free up the fuel islands a bit.
Trevor says
I think this rule amendment is mainly for actual yard jockeys who have to cross a public road or drive a few hundred feet down a public road to swap trailers all day long at a property who has several buildings and yards located in close proximity of each other and drivers who are dropping a trailer on one lot then have to drive to another yard that is located across a public road or not to far away(less than maybe half a mile we’ll say) to pick up different trailer. When you are in yard move status as long as you maintain a speed of less than 20mph it won’t kick you on the drive line. In case you are wondering, yes the company I work for requires an ELD for the yard jockeys, beats me, I don’t get it either. Might be because they are street legal and do drive on public roads. Insurance thing probably. Hell I use yard move in slow traffic like when you’re stuck behind an accident creeping along, plus since the 30 minute rule change says that time spent on duty can now count towards your break and doesn’t have to be all off duty, I can kill that mandatory break as well. I save probably close to a hour a day since the change.
MrYowler says
Not a lot of yard jockeys need to work over 8 hours at a stretch, drive 11 hours in a day, or work a 14-hour shift. Setting aside the 100-air-mile ELD exemption; they really don’t need the yard-move rule, for what they do – even if they maintained log records.
I don’t think that this was meant for them.
Chris says
I can’t stand these regulations ive been driving 8 years now and it comes down to drive when you feel rested and pull over and nap when tired but these inflexible clocks force me to do the opposite sometimes and it needs to be fixed.
David e Beck says
What if you are out of time and park on interstate on ramp that doesn’t have no parking signs. Then during your sleep cop orders you to move. In violation of hos.
Donald Smith says
How about adding moving from fuel islands to parking at truck stops in the rules and not just to be understood as POSSIBLY qualifying.
Peter Romero says
They need to get rid of the CSA points against the drivers how am I supposed to know I picked up a nail got a slow leak before I got to the scale and they give me CSA points against me
Greg says
Thank God I’ve been retired longer than many of you have been driving. For the most part I agree with HOS “guidelines”. Of course that was before elogs. Many drivers are quite capable of driving well passed the 21hours currently permitted. Not going to get into those drivers that “cheat” via substances. IMO there are many more drivers that should be restricted even more, but you can’t say who can and who can’t drive so many hours. I probably never pushed my hours by more than 30 minutes. And that was to get to a safe haven. Once I got to a facility I was ALWAYS off duty or sleeper. Too many extended detainments for food grade tank. I hear common complaint about drivers taking 30 minutes break at fuel island. I can’t understand why you can’t fuel up then idle to a parking spot. Is the logging system that puckered? I feel for ya. Stay safe
Peter Ohmart says
This rule all together is outrageous!!!
I understand there is a need to regulate the operation of a commercial motor vehicle movement to monitor the driver’s hours of service, but you have gone way past ridiculous!!!
Did you ever consider a mileage amount when a driver is at a location for the so-called “Yard Move”?
Please think about a limit of 10 miles or 5 miles, and a driver could use the “Yard Move” to go to a hotel or to a grocery store for supplies or get a meal where the location the driver is loading or unloading does not have a restaurant facility or to a movie if the driver is using the truck and it is the primary use vehicle while the driver is on the road.
I understand drivers over the past decades have abused the regulations which have caused new regulations to be developed. Obviously, drivers have been in crashes for many reasons, and because of that these newer regulations needed to be imposed. As we learned in kindergarten, it only takes one person to spoil it for everyone.
Please do not punish the drivers of the past and today for the past discrepancies of bad drivers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you.
Peter D. Ohmart
10 Jan 21
0018 min
Gary says
Idiots wanting to abolish the hours of service, get out of trucking. The last thing this industry needs is more morons running day and night for pennies on the dollar and if you don’t think the rates wouldn’t bottom out, guess again. If 14 hours a day doesn’t get your bills paid, maybe you need more money management, than less transportation oversight.
M.D. says
It doesn’t “cost” anything to pull anyone out of a ditch! They “charge” the proverbial arm and a leg! IMHO