Now that mega-carriers have succeeded in getting ELDs in almost every interstate commercial truck, they’ve got a new goal: Get them in all intrastate trucks too.
The Alliance for Driver Safety and Security, also known as The Trucking Alliance, counts some of the largest carriers in the country among its members. They’re now pressuring state legislatures to put the same rules on local drivers as the federal government does on OTR drivers.
“Since Congress required electronic logging devices in all interstate commercial trucks, to monitor the hours that truck drivers spend behind the wheel, violations are down dramatically,” said Lane Kidd, the managing director of The Trucking Alliance. “Truck drivers no longer have paper log books to manipulate and falsify, and state legislatures should consider doing what Congress has done, and require all large trucks to install these devices to make sure drivers are obeying the law. Electronic logging devices should be as common in large trucks as seat belts are.”
Currently, some drivers are exempt from having to operate ELDs. Drivers who don’t cross state lines, those who drive within 100 miles of their dispatch area, and drivers in certain segments of the industry are currently exempt. The Trucking Alliance wants to put ELDs in every commercial truck, no matter what it’s hauling or how short the trip.
To support their proposal, they tout the benefits of ELDs. According to the group, ELDs have already reduced trucker fatigue and reduced hours-of-service violations. They also claim that ELDs prevent drivers from falsifying their logs.
The fight to get this implemented will likely be at least as difficult as the fight for ELD requirements on the federal level. That’s because they’ll need to convince each and every state legislature that – as The Trucking Alliance puts it – “ELDs will serve as the critical foundation to build the nation’s future supply chain, enabling commercial drivers and citizens to maintain the quality of life that all Americans enjoy.”
Source: truckingalliance, gobytrucknews, overdrive
ELDS are not the problem. Pay truck drivers by the hour what they are worth and all the problems go away.
That’s why we pay by the hour .. long or short haul.
Well said, I strongly agree
So true
I’ve been saying it for years, “The best way to slow a driver down and get him to comply with the rulers is to put him on the clock.” We do too much work for free already.
ya then you will have drivers that take advantage of it and the price of everything will go up
absolutely correct, and also revisit the federal law that required the shipper and receiver to manage or compensate the equipment and labor involved in loading and unloading the truck, at the average rate of $3.00 per hundred weight, Drivers responsibility ends at the tail gate, as most companies disclaim any liability of visitors on their docks, and payments are payable on shipment delivery.
Speak for yourself. I’m a LTL Driver and I get paid by the hour already. Quit wasting your life OTR.
The eld helped somethings but hurt some also mainly my wallet don’t just make rules talk to the people who have to use them and see what they need
YOU MUST NOT HAVE BEEN DOING THIS VERY LONG. YOU GOTTA BE ONE OF THESE GUYS SITTING AROUND BLOWING YOUR LITTLE SETTLEMENT BEFORE YOU GET IT. AND IF YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WERE DOING YOU WOULDNT BE ON HERE COMPLAINING ABOUT YOUR WALLET. SURE IT DOES HAVE ITS DOWN SIDE. I GOT THE VDO ROAD LOG THAT OOIDA RECOMMENDED AND THIS THING IS FAR BETTER THAN ALL OF THAT JUNK RUNNING THROUGH YOUR PHONE. NO MONTHLY PAYMENT, PRINTER BUILT IN, NICE LITTLE 4 OR 5 INCH SCREEN. ONCE YOU KNOW HOW TO USE IT ITS ACTUALLY PRETTY NICE. IVE GOT MY OWN AUTHORITY DO MY SAFETY DEPT (me) monitors MY DRIVERS. WHICH IS ME. I DO WISH THEY WOULD LOSE THE 14 HOUR CRAP NOW THAT THEY HAVE A BABYSITTER ON BOARD. IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE AT ALL. AND THE 30 MIN BREAK IS ANOTHER WASTE. WHEN I NEED A REST I TAKE, IF IM NOT TIRED AND FORCED TO SIT A HALF HOUR THEN I GET TIRED. ANYWAYS I RUN NO DIFFERENT AND ITS SO SIMPLE TO MAKE GOOD MONEY. DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND GET THAT VDO ROADLOG. IM TELLING YOU ITS WORT IT. I THINK THEY ARE $499 NOW WITH NO MONTHLY FEES. IT KEEPS ALL OF MILE FUEL PURCHASES AND MILES FROM STATE TO STATE. DOING MY IFTA REPORT IS SIMPLE NOW.
So what you’re saying is that you need the government to help you run your business! I don’t need the government telling me when I can and cannot drive.
I agree with you 100%..! These Elog lovers must like sitting,when theirs business to take care of!!. Sometimes you got to roll to make appointment times, not sitting for 30 minutes or 10 hours..sometimes you can’t work in a 8/2split..
Exactly
DJ, You’re kind will lose just like the Dinosaurs lost. Smart operators learn the system just like they learned paper logs and use it to their benefit. ELDs are here to stay, regardless of what you and OOIDA have to say, use it to your benefit or get left behind.
You may not need it but you have it and if you do not comply, they will send you a letter of none compliance and deactivate your authority and Dot number, and set back and wait for you to be put out of service on the road, then they will impound your rig and introduce you to the wrath of their lawyers
Caps lock? Really?
Dude no need to shout turn off the caps lock. Your view is no better because you you feel the need to cap it to be heard. Perhaps you’re unaware of the etiquette. Good its working for you.
All caps dont make you smarter, just the opposite really.
You guys stay on topic, that is pretty trivial
I Ben out for over 30 years to bad you don’t no what you are talking about. This must be your first week behind the wheel. If you are dum enough to pay 450.00. For that then you must be one of those drivers that pick up cheap freight. You are to blame for some of these cheap freight out there Drivers like you .hurt ever driver like me trying to feed and pay my bills. Maybe you should go get a warehouse job you don’t care about drivers keep dropping that cheap freight of someone has to
Maybe you can drive a truck but you need to learn grammar and spelling. It’s “I’ve been” not I Ben. It’s “dumb “ not dum. And are you really “feeding” and paying your bills? Roflmbo!
Like he said, he’s been driving 30yrs. Trucks are a lot easier to operate today and don’t beat a person half to death. I’d be proud of my grammar if it were as good as Rick’s after driving 30yrs.
So what you’ve got here is an advertisement that’s why they’re SCREAMING!!!!
Nice condescending attitude towards others Rick, Mr. Know it All, like many other Big Strappers on the CB, “Listen to me, I’m a pro, I have my own authority, (whoopie!).
I do appreciate you giving him possible, helpful advise, but there’s plenty better ways of communicating it, especially if your the pro you claim to be.
Cheers,
I’ve been out here for 35 plus years i don’t need you or somebody else telling me how what when and where go back to when a driver was a driver not the 4 or 5 weeks and your a driver schools you learn everyday out here
ELDS do need to be put in local trucks too. But I Drive OTR and make more now than ever. They don’t affect me. People need to learn how to use them.
This is an attempt to get all the money that they can out of truckers before all trucks are atomonous! If these trucks are able to drive themselves to and from a location, maintain a certain speed, what the hell are these DOT cop’s going to do? We won’t need them so there is a positive! If any of you miserable pricks are thinking of being a DOT cop you might want to think about another career! Not fair to say some are good, but most of them are nothing but a bunch of narsacist.
My truck can drive itself but this past week its sitting at a red light and my semi stopped but before light turned green the semi ran it .Cars started honking but all I could do was pull the air brakes to get truck to stop.
Truck must not have an ignition switch.
You my friend a full of crap
What is a “semi”?
He’ll yes ever time they pull a driver into a scale they are looking for some money. It not nothing about safety. How much money can,we get from this driver. Dot will let a car go down the highway with only one light and no break lights will not stop them but let them see I have a marker light out 50.00 fine this is what I get. Safety bull money that is what it is about
piss on dot
No need to say more $$$$all they want,they know your location time and place …..how much shall we tax him….
I am happy for you, glad it’s working for you but I am more advanced than that old technology that you’re using
Eld logs can be falsified. Warner and quail com created them . every one that is put in they get royalties. Drove for them they fixed my logs when I ran out of hers. Try this running. Out of driving hours pull over manual put your self on duty not driving. It will not log you on duty driving start driving. Long as you got on duty hours to drive edit logs when you stop.
It’s not a quail com.. it’s a qual-com which is an abbreviation for Quality Communications, the company that makes it.
QUALCOMM, Inc.
NASDAQ: QCOM
Just sayin’….
David for future reference Warner had nothing to do with QUALCOMM’s bringing about ELDs .Their biggest asset in the technology was NSA.
I don’t know how others work, but “Warner” has it set up so that when you’re ON DUTY NOT DRIVING, but then you drive, it will automatically log in to DRIVING after one mile.
I am more tires now then I have ever been behind the wheel. I’m not a computer and I can’t sleep when my love says I should be but after my ten hour break my qual com goes off and if I don’t answer they call my cell and ask why am I not rolling. You can’t take a military veteran who is used go working 16 to 20 hour days, and sometimes being up for 72 to 96 hours straight and try to put him or her on your sleeping schedule this isn’t how it works.
If elds are suppose to make us safer, why does the study of 15 different Universities show elds are worse then paper logs?
Semi accidents have tripled since elds came out. And trucks governor below the speed limit are unsafe also.
Why not ban semis on the interstates that can’t do the speed limits?
Eld not love
Turn your phone off and mute the qcomm, remember its your license and your truck. If the company doesnt get it, find another one. I feel for ya man. Thank you for your service and good luck.
I agree trucks should be able to run the min speed limit on the interstate… wait they do. End of story
Why not let us call in tomahawk strikes on the slow pokes who can’t do the speed limit? ok that’s excessive I admit, but it sucks getting stuck behind that guy who’ll only do 65 in a 65 not 70.
The one thing he is going to accomplish, arriving at his destination WITHOUT a moving violation
I feel ya. I never sleep more than 6 hours a day. That started when I was in the Navy. Sometimes I have to shutdown and I can’t go to sleep and then end up having to drive all day on just 3 hours sleep.
Whoever’s in charge of this game is what I call it is getting off on all the complaints so when they run the country into a recession because the products are not affordable no more you know what let’s go with the flow shut up and let’s do it we just keep raising the rates it cost me $25 to have breakfast now and used to cost me 8
With ELDs, safety is not at issue. Government want revenue and control, corporations want control over their slaves, while giving least amount of pay. SAFETY is never at issue. SAFETY is the word used by government and corporations, to make it appear as though you are valuable to them, as a human being.
I’m not a driver. Can you explain the drawback of eld. From the outside it looks like they want to regulate the amount of hours the driver spends behind the wheel.
They have put between 500000 and a million trucks on the road for no reason. There is now between 1 and 2 million new drivers on the road. More companies have been using electronic logbooks in the last few years and for the first time since they started keeping statistics fatal truck accidents have gone up for 6 straight years. So far in the seventh year on Pace to break all records four fatal truck accidents. So another words the roads are more unsafe just so 200 super rich people can make more money
“They” have been regulating driver hours for a long time. With paper logs, the driver had the ability to fudge the entries, but with electronics, there is no easy adjustment–well, at least the driving time cannot be changed. It’s mostly a matter of control, over the worker (driver). Safety is always touted as the reason for the nanny devices, but ultimately, control is at issue.
Trucking Industry has gone to Hell its all about Money not Safety,I’ve been out here 41 years talk to a lot of drivers over this issue. My response I get is drivers are loosing money, company do not get there freight on time due to appointments times that doesn’t work with the eld,Machines and computer are destroying our country the Government works all kind of hour to make things happen, same here we work long hard hour every day. For instance I’m sitting at a shipper that I was dispatched to 14 hrs ago. I’m still sitting here still not loaded not making any money.Nobody cares about the American Truck Drivers anymore it’s all about making money off the trucking industry. Sitting here for over 14 hrs you don’t rest then you’re tired before you even start your route. Shipper don’t care how long you sit and wait. They shouldn’t give you an appointment for delivery or to be picked up unless it’s sitting on the dock ready to load now. But no to many times like right now happening while I’m send this True Story my freight is not ready to load cause it’s not been pulled and on the dock. I’ve set here patiently running the unit for 12 hrs to have it at 0 degrees to load then I’m told it might be another 5 to 8 hrs before it’s ready to load. My Question to all Americans that work in Transportation would you sit on any property waiting to work not getting paid but when they finally deside to get you loaded your already tired from waiting. Then your driving tired I know been there done it to many times in my life. On an average drivers put in 16 to 18 + Hrs in a day, but nobody really does not care. I know been told that by the shipper and receiver and even by the one that say they serve and protect us all.I was driving one night very tired had to pull over pulled on a exit ramp cause I didn’t want to stop on main traveled road were the traffic is moving 70 + miles an hr, I sat way off on a wide shoulder out the way and a trooper pulls up with lights on walks up without any question you need to go on down the road or I will wright you a ticket. No care in the world I sad I was a little tired need to shake it off and proceed on but he said move now or get a ticket. My question to that is where is the safety in that no concerns did not care about my well being, He had more concern for a dead dog than human life. The Trucking Industry has gone to Hell. So has our Government and the Justice system.America needs a awake up call, it’s coming our Government is destroying our country and the people in it never seen so much hate and violence in America it’s only going to get worse. Doesn’t matter where I travel there is hate and bitterness toward drivers.Never fails every day.
Trucking has gone to the dogs. Company’s put anyone in a truck long as you can hold that steering wheel your qualified. I’ve seen to many accidents cause of not enough experience. Just look on UTube at the truck accidents and stup shit they do it’s unbelievable. The Government doesn’t know anything about sitting behind the wheel of a big rig stay up all night to make sure someone get there goods to keep America moving. Just remember everyday when you wake up in the mornings everything you do to get ready to go to work a driver some where stayed up made sure you had cloths food roof over your head. To sleep.
If you Bought it a Big Rig Brought it.
Harvey Mullins
Harvey Mullins you are exactly right there isn’t a soul in this business who gives a rats ass about safety, it’s just a buzz word to cover up what they want to do. If they said they wanted these silly rules so they could screw you more that wouldn’t sound good, but oh we want to do it for safety well OK screw away. You also right it is everyone involved, companies, shippers, receivers, and law enforcement, from cops on up to FMCSA and Congress, want proof, watch how many drivers can’t speak English let alone read it, how can you be safe if you don’t even know what the rules are???
I’m guessing that you’re hauling produce I would definitely stay away from the grocery I been there done that get a whole new life and get out of the grocery business way too many people involved in it ,Market is way down
Leave period!!! You men are in charge of that vehicle and your responsibility starts where theirs end. Leave and document it. What you guys fail to remember is that with that cdl after, you leave the gate you are in charge not dispatchers and certainly not shippers. Start leaving their loads. See what happens.
Well, of course, safety is used, to make it sound good. That’s usually how more restrictions and rules are sold, to everyone. The general public (non-drivers) can then feel better that Big Brother is bearing down on those reckless truck drivers… The real issue is control, by those in authority; things don’t get better for the driver so that he can be in peak condition. Take, for example, the 30-minute break requirement. It’s worse than useless for most drivers, but Big Brother has control, so, as usual, we get more rules with no good results.
I agree with Wesley about the hours. But I also want to add that I use the big road appt, typically used on phones but mine is on my tablet. Very easy to use, I certainly miss the paper logs.
It’s all about the money 😐
Amazing, these people tooting their own horns and everyone preaching for them like it’s Gospel. They are manipulating the market and driving cost up. And their profits is the bottom line.
Cool. Annnnnd when we’re done over-regulating the living p**s out of drivers, let’s move right along to the the next logical stop in the sequence. Let’s start:
A) regulating mega carriers who dedicate hardly any time to actually teaching their drivers how to drive properly (which accounts for most semi-crashes)..
B) punishing carrier/dispatchers who push (and have a record of pushing) drivers beyond healthy/legal/safe limits.
C) Brokers/companies who find ways to lie, scam, and/or cheat drivers/contractors out of their pay/settlements.
There’s much, MUCH more we can do to make this industry safer and discover the solution to solving the growing driver shortage.
Yeah, let’s see them start fixing the s*** that’s axtually broken. These people are a joke.
What, government actually fix something? Where have you been living under a rock that never seems to work.
Why don’t we just go back to the old days when loads were swapped and every driver went home daily? It’s so easy to see why there is a driver shortage. Just do what the railroads still do…..relay the loads Nd cooperate with each other..
Why do think you see a Union Pacific car on a BNSF train and so on? The railroads are doing more business then ever before.
Well now someone is finally getting close ~
Well, that ain’t gonna happen, because safety is not at issue, in the eyes of government and corporations. The word “safety” is only used to make the rules look good. CONTROL and REVENUE are the only things that count. You don’t. You must shut up and be a good slave.
Join us on 10 4 Facebook that a big 10 4 Washington dc we are coming
LOL!!!
I noticed that for all the benefits of elds they conveniently left out the accident rate. If anybody thinks they are so safe they should put one in their own car. I drive locally and there’s nothing to stop me from doing a 14 plus hour day. But I can do it safely w/o accidents. Logbooks are dangerous. The 14 hr rule is highly dangerous. Do away with all of it.
You better enjoy your perfect world because those very remarks are going to get you drug into the club of ELD
I have been driving since 91. I have had 4 tickets and no logbook violations since I started.
I do not need a babysitter, as I am a grown man.
I own my trucks, my trailers and my ICC number. None of which require the use of an ELD.
The ATA serves itself, the large carrier, not the driver.
That’s right. But government wants control over you, so, in the name of SAFETY, they load you down with a myriad of rules and, if that’s not enough, here are nanny devices to ensure your compliance.
That’s funny all about safety and reduced driver fatigue the crash rating went up once the elog was implemented stop the lies your agenda to crush small business didn’t get it all done so you try to force it in every truck and the rest of you stuff it up your rear most of you have no time out here and lost common sense this industry as a whole has went down the toilet we’ve been over regulated for years there’s no more studies or testing you all just make up the rules as you go claiming safety if it’s clearly a safety issue let the government cover the cost and stop the money trail but all know that’s never going to happen to many are getting rich off of it there’s no safety in mind at all just money money money
It’s just one more way for the little company’s out of business
I no longer drive. I’m retired up to the lake boys and girls. These new rules are about getting your money, new immigrant drivers and eliminating independent operators. A bunch of us have seen it coming for awhile now. I say a prayer every night for all my friends out there still trying to make it.
If your not getting driver’s now think how it’s going to be if it gets passed
This has nothing to do with safety. It’s about the fact they want to make it federal law to do business exactly as they do. If we keep allowing them pass this type of legislation we might as well get in unemployment line. I don’t know about everybody else but I can’t afford to work with a mega carrier. Wake up people, there about to put the last nail in you coffin.
If you do not have the experience and the business wisdom to take advantage of the situation then you probably should think about another line of vocation !
Push back or give it up and flip burgers!
I drove a truck for 3 years and found the other drivers and industry to be very racists.
Yeah dude we’re all racists here. I’m a mid 50s Caucasian. Take it for what it’s worth, I’m an eqaul opportunity hater. I hate all races equally even my own, when peoples behavior dictates they deserve it. In the words of rapper Eminem, “You be nice to me, I’ll be nice to you, simple as that.” I don’t care if you’re skinny, fat, black, white, yellow, tall, short, pretty, ugly, or whatever adjective people use to describe one another.
You are so right, hate the person not the race
Well said.
Very well said, I remember a time, when we used to layover in Nogales Arizona, and about dark everyone would pull out their coolers and char coalers, set around BS and enjoy the antics of the day, we slept with our sleeper doors open and all the windows down, no problem every one looked out for each other, best time of my life! But not any more
Racism behind every rig now? Hope you find your safe space where you never hear harsh or mean things again and youre free to frolic with unicorns and puppies because of…. well words.
I’m not racist I think everyone is an idiot
I see how drivers wrote. Every driver has a different opinions. But for me and my understanding ELD problem. accident problems. Speed problems all is about salary. But we are to separate. We need a hourly salary with a minimum salary for professional driver how we are.
We have higher taxes rate. Higher insurance plans and our salary in most cases are very similar to warehouse employees according with the hours that we work. Think about DRIVER.
You’re a moron, if you get the megas to agree to pay you by the hour it’ll minimum wage and a cap of about 80 hours a week they’ll pay you for, and you’re not going to get minimum wage.
hate to say it Gearjammer.
168 hours otr…you are on duty all the time…that eld clock is always running. even when you are home off duty away from the truck.
Let’s use the low norm of 40 cpm and for the company driver, 2500
miles a week…low norm.
That is 1000 gross minus 300 in taxes plus ,let’s say 100.00 a week
in personal expenses(refrigerator in truck,etc.).
So 600.00 take home.
600 divided by 168 hours is 3.57 an hour.
So how many drivers make more than 3.57 an hour for 168 hours on duty each week? Some, as company drivers, are getting upwards of 50 cpm or more. But calculate the rate for each increment of cpm,
and you don’t get to U.S. government minimum wage till what rate?
Pay a company driver 10.00 an hour for every hour on the job OTR and you have 1680 minus taxes and expenses.
Then you can start commanding good drivers again.
But the big carriers will settle for mediocre to middling drivers that can pass a road test, as that is their profile of a truck driver. A get by situation, good for the stock holder.
Boy I have seen some creative bookkeeping but it has been a while, any way the first you have to realize is no industry is going to agree to pay you anything for sleeping on the truck unless it is moving. So the example you gave for a single driver are a little circumspect, It most times I know of 2500 miles is a walk in the park for a 60 mile an hour truck to put you at your destination in 4 days, giving that does create a payday of $1000.00, and that my friend is more than what you minimum wage check would be for same 4 days at $10.00, per hour only creating$400.00 gross is what all federal wage calculation are based on ! If the same truck loaded this load and delivered it in 36 HRS, then their are some real changes in the number, But that is another discussion for another time
You do realize the fact that when you are in the sleeper “off duty”, you are still baby-sitting their truck. Sleeping or not, you are still responsible for it and should be paid.
Maybe drivers should be paid $20 per hour when actually driving. $15 per hour for on duty not driving time(that also means any time you’re kept at a dock waiting to be loaded or unloaded even if it is logged as sleeper time) Finally, $10 per hour for sleeper time when actually sleeping on 10 hour break.(fee for baby-sitting their truck and cargo)
DJ, You’re kind will lose just like the Dinosaurs lost. Smart operators learn the system just like they learned paper logs and use it to their benefit. ELDs are here to stay, regardless of what you and OOIDA have to say, use it to your benefit or get left behind.
All truckers should be paid AT LEAST UNION SCALE, that way ELD, or Lumper slackers, or poor dispatch, or crummy receivers, heavy traffic, you’re still making money. If O/Os want to Oped out, cool, good for them.
Ok. Then we need to require all Personal Vehicles to have Electronic Logs as well. The majority of the wrecks or incidents that happen are do to negligence and idiots driving their personal 4 wheel vehicles.
When an individual gets in their car to go to work they should have to go “on duty” just like us commercial drivers. They should have to face the same rules of “on duty/drive” time that commercial trucks do.
While we are at it lets approach the “all knowing” Congress to require all regular class D drivers to also go through Safety classes and training like commercial drivers do. Maybe they would figure out it’s not a good idea to pull in front of an 80,000 pound moving truck at 70 mph. Its that or experience what 1 Million pounds of pressure plus feels like hitting you.
Put ELD’s in passenger cars as well. Let’s get some dangerous automobile drivers off the road as well. Also let’s put speed limiters in passenger cars as well. That will make speed related accidents and deaths go down drastically.
Of course big companies want it. Nothing to do with safety, but competition. Independents get the job done, big companies have excuses. Second, forcing smaller companies to do it is costly, sometimes detrimental or they throw their hands up and say Enough!
I’m done, been driving 30 years.
They can have my CDL, Hazmat, Tanker,TWIC.
It’s just not a job worth doing anymore.
exactly what they like to hear- gives them a “legitimate” excuse to bring in another non English speaking immigrant
We trucker need to go on strike
I am ready let’s go. Let’s see how our government will make us drive.we are not working for that airports. Go on take my cdl.I will go get a new job. At least I will be home Then let see how our government will deliver all the freight
You’re right! Long over due. Hoffa would have long ago.
Amen
Y’all have said that for years and every time it’s tried, it fails. Be some guys sitting and some scab Bastard sees where he can haul freight for more money than normal and to hell with everybody else, he’s haughlin freight. I drove for 43 years and you guys never got it right. You listen to clowns like
Overdrive Magazine who got rich by leading a bunch of blind sheep. I’m all for the driver but the only way you’ll get anything done is to organize yourselves and lobby Congress. Driving a few trucks through D.C. won’t solve a thing. All you’ll get there is a bunch of overpaid Politicians standing outside giving you the blow your horn sign.
We trucker need to go on strike and specialty the mega trucker
Enough is enough. Time for these people to pay the price for pushing this TYRANNY.
Patriots , this needs to be stopped!!
I’m a mega trucker. Oh yeah.
I was a over the road driver for 28 years haven’t been in a truck in 20 years I know it has to be tough out there I see so many people out there that can steer a truck down the interstate hey but can’t drive company’s need to train better
One of the biggest problems in trucking nowadays is improper training their not gonna be good driver’s sitting behind a desk sure it’s good to learn the basics but to learn anything about a truck is to be behind the wheel.half of these new young steering wheel holder’s don’t even know a damn thing about trucks or even know how to check their fluids in the truck.that’s one reason why mostly all these new trucks have automatics in them cause these idiots can’t friggen drive a real truck. The trucking industry has gone right down the crapper and the government thinks all this electronic BS is gonna fix it all. Instead of spending millions on this shit and putting all the real drivers out of business give us back our freedom to run our business like it’s been for many years with lot less accidents then now with being told what to do like fkn Robot’s and train new guys behind the wheel more before handing them the key’s to an 80.000 lbs bomb.
Intrastate is governed by the state not the feds. This Trucking Alliance is nothing but a bitching, bullying, whining babies. It’s not going to happen. They’re trying to violate states rights on what to enforce and what not to. In Texas you can run 4500 a week and never leave the state. JB, Maverick and the bunch of those idiots put your head in an oven please and leave us alone.
All elds have done is make everyone in a big dam hurry. Racing the clock driving like idiots has gotten worse. Elds don’t save anyone. Reflect on the accident in Texas where the driver and Werner were found guilty and a lawsuit was won because of a women’s poor driving skills and stupidity. He was doing everything right tho he was still to blame. People depend on us to do our jobs without us they would need to drive 2000 miles to get a variety of food diapers or toilet paper. Regulate us all you like all that happening is the need for more trucks to haul freight more inexperienced drivers and someone else racing or driving after they were sitting awake all day.
Yes sir, thats exactly what they want is everybody racing around and being in a hurry that way to the public truckers look dangerous and they’re always tailgating and then they can push their autonomous trucks to the public that’s the next step and every truck driver old or young, veteran or steering wheel Holder, will bend over and say yes daddy when they implement it because this country is a bunch of pansies
Two thumbs up. You just hit the nail on the head.
Please please stop the nonsense about self driving trucks , don’t b alert or confuse because they have few selfdriven trucks out there even the expert s and analysts are saying is gonna take many years to have a full effect on this matter , if it ever works out! !!!!!
Your right because the trucking industry is controlled by the railroad commission look up the history and see who actually wants to go back to terminal to terminal freight
ELDs are not the problem the 14 hour cap and 30min break are the the problem. Why did they keep it like they did in the old days change it around a bit dr11 then have to take a 10-hour break , but no more working and or driving after being on duty a total of 14 hours . like back in the old days you can drive 10 sleep 8 drive 10 sleep aid that works for me but I guess it doesn’t work for Big Brother. I’ve seen more truck accidents out here since they implemented that 14-hour rule, hell even I have to drive when I don’t want to because of that 14-hour rule . I don’t think that is helping safety at all.
The statement that ELDs reduced driver fatigue says it all. Reduced. I thought it would wipe it out all together. No more fatigued drivers period. Reduced by how much? 1 per cent? 10? And how did they measure it? Did they ask the drivers who have been doing the same job for years, how is their state of fatigue currently with ELDs in the same job? That would be hard to do since most drivers change companies and types of jobs all the time. So how did they measure it? The answer is they didn’t. They pulled this statement out of their- you know what. I for one drive as tired as ever. With the darn ELD and less money. Only now I have one more thing to stress about when log running out – safe and legal, non existant truck parking.
capacity has tightened due to ELD and freight volume is crazy high. you’re not doing something right if you’re loosing money
10=4 I agree,i’m making more money since trump than I’ve made in 20 year’s!!!!
in my opinion, ANYONE who supports or proposes ELD useage, is a completely uninform person or a complete idiot. ELD’s do not make for safer highways. What do is make drivers push to use evey minute, take breaks alongside the road way. Stupid stuff. The driver needs to control the truck and it’s progress, not some stupid dumb-ass computer, made by and supported by those ignorant to actual trucking and being behind the wheel. You folks are destroying trucking. Very few “old school” drivers left. I started in 1974. NEVER will I use an ELD. Hope you folks are prepared for the “crop” you will reap from the “seeds” you have planted. Good Luck With That! C-Ya! (well, maybe not!!)
then you’re not doing it write. this is your time to take the power back from the brokers/shippers who were pushing you so hard. i think you seemed misinformed on how this would affect you
I hate ELD I don’t like getting told what to do when to do it but if they are mandating and they’re going to stay they need to get rid of the 30-minute break and the 70-hour rule let us do our 14-11 with no 70 hour cap I know when I need to work and when I need a rest
Seriously tho. The fact that they claim it lessons fatigue is bull… I mean if we all take the 10 like it’s supposed to yes, but normally that’s when we are doin other things we need to get done. And yes sometimes it’s screwing off readjng posts in the Truckers Report.
People its election time politicians if u want elds put them on yall get them out of our trucks they dont save money they dont deliever loads and they cant vote for you
I have an idea, if you can go 5 years with no at fault accidents, you are now considered a mature adult, who can think for themself, and knows when you’re tired, so you don’t need a logbook at all.
self regulation….when has that ever really worked in any industry?
Absolutely agreed
Mandatory eld for intrastate means farm trucks and gravel haulers.they can’t farm using 11 hours shifts and 10 hour breaks. they have to run all night to beat the weather
ag is excluded
We need a Nation Wide Shut Down before trucks can drive themselves. So then it would be hard for that to get started.
Well I’m one of the many of thousands if parked the truck because of this they’re going to push all truckers out the trucks nobody’s going to move the freight nowhere way to go keep it up
not all, some. most like it. they understand how it gives them more power.
you alway’s had the power.you were just afraid to use it. nobody has ever made me run tired or in bad weather tell me when I can eat or take a day off,i won’t allow another human being dictate how I run my life or my family’s!!!
We need to shut this s**t down. Why in the world are we letting them do as they please with us! We as the people have a word. All of us united have the biggest word in the transportation industry. Lets use it and show them who we really are. Without trucks, the US stops!
yeah but that’s the attitude which has caused the resurgence of rail. Remember goods still got moved before otr came on the scene.
It’s the government doing it to you. Not the mega carriers. TR is just a rhetoric mouthpiece just saying what you want to hear. Mega carriers had nothing to do with it, they just adapted to it sooner because they knew it was regs that weren’t going to be overturned. But sure they are pushing the current agenda because they don’t want the feds to exclude one group of people from the same rules.
there must not be a drivers on this site…just wanna bee bloggers
I make a straight forward comment that is factual and I my comments are under
review. Plenty of bad mouthing here that is not reviewed or censored.
I don’t know about the rest but, i am a truck driver.
In the 90s when I started buying 53 ft trailers many said I was crazy, 48 was all you needed. In 04 when I sold my square hood Western Star and bought a Volvo same thing. In 13 when I put Elogs in every truck I owned guys told me they weren’t going to ever drive for me. I just got all brand new automatic transmission trucks, same thing from some guys.
Reality is we either change and adapt or we go out of business.
Most guys bitching about Elds bitch about everything and do nothing to update or educate themselves or further their careers but instead ask everyone else to do it for them.
I never hired a driver using a gun.
We all can work together and keep moving forward by being the best driver/owner operator we can be or we can get out.
Honestly most guys can no longer read a map, check tire pressure, open the hood and change a light bulb, excersize enough to keep a health card, or even properly fill out a paper log when their Eld quits.
When autonomous drivers replace the people behind the wheel it will be because drivers as a whole, just as society as a whole do not want to work like they had to work 20 years ago to make a living.
What I want to know is this.
Since the government is making all these requirements.
When will they start ensuring drivers actually have a safe place to park while waiting out all this REQUIRED down time.
Places with restroom facilities and an internet signal..For starters.
If you believe the government has your best interest and safety as their priority… think again. Someone is benefiting from ever law that has ever been made. I gave up trucking after 20 yrs about 8 yrs ago because of all these stupid regulations. Best of luck to you guys still out there.
I’m local, under the 150 air miles AND Agricultural exception and I still have to run logs. Why? Hell if I know I just do what the boss tells me. Paid hourly with OT, 5 on 3 off with the option to work extra days, and 3 weeks paid vacation every year. I’m happy to run that ELD.
Also work for a small 20 truck outfit with one boss and 1 dispatcher. Everyone knows everyone. Life is good.
screw this alliance for drivers association , pretty sure sure some politician is behind them so they can force drivers to buy devices and register for internet services so they will get a few more billions richer and more money for political campaigns. screw this people !
I’m a garbage truck driver and I work 60 hours plus a week if they put eld’s in vehicles they will cut hours down to 40 per week because we drive more than 14 hours a day sometimes
the sad thing in trucking is people who never drove a truck or know the hardship of it writes laws such as ELD,
And they wonder why they lacking truckers
I am an owner operator forlast 7 years. This is my 11th year behind yhe wheel of a truck. ELDs are ok. Some people like them some don’t. I think ELD has to be a voluntary thing. If you want to have it, have it. If not, then don’t. But I think it has to be up to a driver of the truck, not the owner of it. I would get rid of 14 hour rule and 30 brake rule. And I would absolutely get rid of 34 hour restart rule.
ELD is crap. Put pressure on truck driver, make them nervous etc.
Sounds like no one likes them but if we have to do it, then everyone has to do it too! They are just going to keep pushing until it all crashes down aren’t they, (they meaning government workers and dispatchers & the like ) It is going to hurt isn’t it..
First,have been on the long halls for 42 yrs.and the first year elb come aboard lost 15000.00.some will argue that’s not right,but for some,we didn’t have dedicated runs .construction ate up time,with no way to get it back ,so as I see it they should be toss over a cliff ,a very deep one.say no to ELB.
Let’s make 4 wheelers use logs, too. How many put in 8 hours on the job, after driving an hour to get there, drive an hour home, spend two hours loading the car and kids, boat, trailer, etc., then drive four or five hours to “the cottage” or other weekend vacation place? Limit their time just like they do ours and watch weekend traffic ease.
Ask LANE KIDD how he managed to accept payment from PILOT FLYING J as ARKANSAS ATA head without ever buying a gallon of diesel,how much MONETARY value went in his pocket,then tell me how concerned he is about legalities
Funny, ELDs are support to make drivers safer, but I left a company who would change the log to suit their needs. Been doing it for years and still do it today so how is it someone can claim that you cannot lie on ELDs too? People, if kids can back into government files, don’t you think someone can to this. Judge me by MY RECORD, not someone else’s .
Needs to be like a factory job with decent pay for experience. Protected parking in abundance. Heavy fines and sentences for inappropriate operation of vehicles commercial as well as non commercial.
That sounds about right. If your hours are being recorded correctly. Why by the mile. Pay us by the hours. And for a tractor trailer driver. Should be no less then 27.50 a hour. As for the dock works and port operators are by the hour why aren’t we.
Kelly, you so right in your response to Rick. No need for “caps”. He must have missed Communications 101. His response didn’t make any more of an impact with the “caps” on.
Thank you for spotting that.
That’s freaking crazy,,,, I drive a log truck we spend allot of time sitting and only get paid 25% of the load that pays the truck 7$ a ton,,,, sometimes I set at the mill for hours to get unloaded average wait is 40 minutes plus the wait getting loaded 15 min,,,, I think you should take your ELD and shove it,,,,, if I make 3 loads I’m doing good, and that’s all in 11 hours,,,,,
Mega carriers will have trouble with that. They will literally have to lobby each and every state. As intrastate is out of the reach of the fmcsa and the usdot. And each state can decide on how to regulate local truck drivers and cmvs. And trucking companies that do not cross state lines or move loads crossing state lines. Don’t have to comply with the federal regulations. And the a.t.a. Will be met with great opposition in each state. And yes each state legislature can terminate a motor carriers authority to enter their state for what ever reason.
If I thought I required a 24 hour baby sitter I would work at a day care, not drive a truck. But it is easy to tell who the union/ big company hacks are. They are the ones that push the ELD’s- because they like being told every move to make- it means they don’t have to use their pea size brains
Every one is still missing the entire point of ELD’s on trucks anyway. This is only a stepping stone to requiring them on your personal vehicle. CA already has a bill in the works requiring them on cars. This is all about taxing you by the mile from the federal level
I have never dealt with ELD’s as of yet, I have no comment about them on any level having no experience with them. After speaking with others whom have, what I’ve discovered from the mass of drivers that I have spoken with in relation to ELD’s have mixed opinions / feelings. From what I have gathered from others, personally speaking, which amounts to very little if anything becomes quite conflicting, opposing yet very questionable. Some people are very pro for the ELD’s yet there others whom seem to be opposing of them. I have driven OTR and Intrastate both for almost 30 yrs in total time which makes no difference really. I have seen and experienced several changes within this industry over the course of that time. Yet, another change has occurred, ELD’s, guys, change is not always good nor is it always bad. We all have to deal with (Change) regardless of what type of work you do, it’s not just transportation soley. With that being said, choices and decisions is what it really boils down to guys as far as I’m concerned. If you choose to remain in this industry of transportation then obviously you’ve made a decision to be a part of the occurring change (ELD’s). Why fuss, kick, argue and etc about it when the solution for me seems to be quite obvious. Be a part of it forcibly if you want to continue to drive commercially or the other alternative is always available, step out and away from the driving side of things and consider some other arena within the industry of transportation or something completely different. It’s really about knowing what your options are and making good choices, that’s my 2 cents worth, take it for what it’s worth, nothing.
Mega carriers want ELDs in every truck because their end goal is to run the O/O out of business.
ELDs in local P&D trucks? Serious overkill. Most local drivers punch a time clock and employers watch for overtime like hawks. Going over 12 hours in a day most local drivers don’t like anyway. They are then required to fill in a log page by hand and memory and it is time consuming. I never go over 12 hours and never get more than 56 hours in a week. I then have 2 consecutive days off so I reset my 70. Now, why would I need an ELD? So that the mega carriers can take over all the local jobs and control trucking and then overcharge companies for poor service.
It’s a derogatory statement. Just say that word phonetically. Just sad, but not unexpected in this forum.
Gazing over these comments, I understand how hard it is to attract quality new drivers. It’s an inhospitable, angry, resentful, holier than thou atmosphere in here, not to mention the level of written language of many speaks volumes. You pros are supposed to be the leaders of the next generation. Unfortunately, trucking, just like the Left, are eating themselves.