The Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association is looking to pull the Hours of Service regulations more in line with the realities of the road that drivers face day in and day out. They have filed a petition with the FMCSA asking for the administration to consider making some changes to the HOS rules.
Signed by acting OOIDA president Todd Spencer, the petition calls for allowing drivers to “pause” their 14-hour clock for up to three straight hours during a day. Together with eliminating the 30-minute rest break rule, OOIDA claims that this change would give drivers greater flexibility and would improve safety.
“Current HOS regulations force truckers to comply with a regulatory framework that jeopardizes their safety and the safety of the traveling public,” writes Spencer. “The federal HOS should foster safe driving habits, not prevent them.”
Drivers would still be required to take 10 off-duty hours in a row before starting their clock again, so the increased flexibility wouldn’t come at the expense of drivers’ rest.
OOIDA has also asked that the FMCSA publish its petition in the Federal Register and open it for public comment and debate.
“We are in a situation where we have never had more regulations and greater enforcement and compliance with those regulations,” says Spencer. “Yet, crash numbers are going in the wrong direction, it’s time for a new approach.”
Source: overdrive, freightwaves, trucker, ccj, americanshipper, livetrucking, FMCSA
Should’ve fought for something like this first instead of “No ELD’.. Maybe it would’ve gotten somewhere.
So a driver’s day could be 17 hours long?
No way dispatchers will take advantage of that…
I fully agree with getting rid of the 30 minute break, though.
I’m local. I’d rather have an extra 30 minutes at home than sitting in my truck, waiting for the clock so I can go home. It just makes my day longer than it has to be because of an arbitrary rule.
We’re all grown ups. We can decide when we want our lunch break.
That was how I read it…you can if you want to break it up. How many times have you been on route, come up on a traffic jam and kept creeping along for two hours? I have plenty of times; driving little roads in a drifting snow just to get the most of my clock…would love to pause for sammich and a shower without worrying about my 14 expiring.
Sounds like this proposal is just offering flexibility. Either way you know we do what we gotta do…
a drivers day is 24 hours long…..the driver is tired at 3 hours..needs to take a bathroom break…..why does the government need to regulate
this??
I totally agree, local routes should have a different set of rules than OTR. When you have multiple stops, your not just driving for hours on end. I’ve had several instances where I was close to the end of my route, within 30 minutes, and had to stop for a 30 minute break just because I had to stop for a restroom break or snack and got slowed down by traffic enough to force another break.
Drivers should be able to stop the clock without being penalized. At one time if we needed to rest we could go off duty or in the sleeper and stop the clock. The 14 hour clock should be eliminated. In fact, the HOS should be eliminated altogether. It would save billions of dollars in compliance costs while eliminating the argument for having ELD’s. It seems that many of those who pushed for the ELD’s have requested and received exemptions anyway. ELD’s are an unnecessary expense and hardship for independents, smaller carriers and owner operators. Common sense should prevail when it comes to safety. Of course, ELD’s have never about safety. It is about money and eliminating or controlling competition.
I totally agree!
No such thing as common sense in trucking. The laws were enacted because of abuses of paper logs. Unsafe drivers running 2 or 3 log books. Losing a DL in one state and going to another to get a new one.
Laws get passed because of the abusers and the rest of us have to deal with it. Myself I like the new system works in my favor 90% of the time.
My brother was murdered by a “Cheater Trucker” May 6, 2016 in El Paso TX… At 0824 he drove into a hotel room and crushed my brother to death…
I still pursued a career as a trucker and since then know what occurred and how it should’ve been prevented…
ELDs aren’t the end for career truckers… Not a Perfect system but a step in the right direction…
No it’s not and never will be when you take the control of the truck out of the drivers hand people are going to die and that’s what’s happening so all you non drivers that like the rules need to open your eyes because your no good for the industry
Yes I agree with you ,I’ve been out here for over 35 years, and never hurt anyone in a abused action from driving. Yes I’ve fudged the log book to make a trip,but the new (breed) trucker doesn’t know anything but ELD style logs that’s the main reason so many new drivers don’t want ELD logging removed,there are a lot of them who wouldn’t be able to take their thirty minute break on the fuel island.
woooooooh horse! the laws were enacted because shippers and receivers,employers,
and Congress(Federal Labor Standards Act of ’38) refuse and refused
to pay OTR drivers or local drivers a fair wage or guarantee overtime pay.
You literally ran your wheels off…
Everyone likes to point the finger at drivers…so when paper log drivers
were held 10 hours for a half hour load on appointment…then told that they had to get the load there yesterday..or look for a new job…was that all the driver’s fault??
Fleet Owner’s mag has an executive saying the industry wants younger drivers who understand the technology.
The ELD data is being crunched so that AI(artificial intelligence)
robots can use that data to drive the truck.
Don’t be naive about the intent of the industry.
No matter what OOIDA does, it is not enough to sway the
government and TLA/ATA and all that ilk that a robot is not
a better choice to do in 2 days what a human does in five, NON-STOP.
I agree. They will try to replace humans as much as they can.
But I’d like to see a robot chain up here in the Northwest.
There already there
I’d buy that for a dollar. Robots in the snow chaining tires. Probably freeze up before they got the for chain secure. Lol
That is true a robot would look stupid
auto chains are a long available device.
Who’s going to inspect these AI trucks? Will the AI truck know when there’s a fault. Will it know when the load is unsecure? Who is securing the load?
The AI trucks they think will fix everything won’t fix anything. They cannot have any instinct, cannot listen or hear something is wrong, and cannot really see something is wrong with the load.. And will the AI truck know the load is about to fall out when opening the doors? Ooops. It’s just a bunch of BS to make greedy pieces of sh*t somewhere a lot of money. At the end of the day, it will kill people and who will families sue? The truck driver? LOL.
I’m finding that our elds have a mind of there own,saying I’m in places I’m no where near,automatically going into yard move after drivers has logged out and went home saying he’s out of hours
yep .Truth.
Drivers need a 34 hr reset .no recaps.and no more 14 hrs a day.how is this safe..more money ,less hrs.driver put in more hrs than anyone.how is this safe.
All your points are valid
my problem with the rules that are in place
makes people drive when they are sleepy and can’t stop .for example .can’t park at shippers so u stop 1hr away this makes you start ur 14 hr clock now at shipper or consignee u are there 4 hrs .now u have 5 hrs into ur 14. then u wait 2 more get ur next load and get it load now ur in 7hrs in ur 14 .then u start driving .go 3 hours u get sleepy u can’t stop .need to keep going to beat the 14 clock.if you stop for a 2hr nap u are now 12hr in ur 14 . then u start driver for the remaining 2 hrs. that ends ur 14hr clock. so in total u drove 5hr. for the day 5 hrs at 50mph 250 miles times 38 cent .how can any one pay there bills an live. changes need to take place
Where dose it state you can’t stop . No were.
Yes, let’s do away with HOS! What an absurd statement! Companies will love to tell a driver, drive 20 hours a day or you’re fired. That’s why HOS is there in the first place, to protect us from greedy companies. ELD’s are not a problem, split your sleeper. 2 hours of me time a day and 8 to sleep. I’ve driven 912 miles in a day using the split method. Granted you only have 70 a week to work. But, no one should need to work more than 70 to support their family. I work at most 45 hours a week, bring home $1400.00 a week driving for a company. Now that’s not bs wages. So, instead of complaining about something that is protecting you from abuse… complain about being underpaid and overworked to provide a living for yourself.
HOS does not protect anyone from greedy companies.
Absurd statement, as everyone knows ELD’s and HOS are
in place to protect the insurance industry and greedy companies,
who hold drivers past their appointment times, make them do the warehousman’s work, then say the load has to be there yesterday,
from lawsuits.
No one in Congress will step up as a group, in which there is power to change trucking ,truly, for the better, for truckers. OOIDA is just a rusty
squeaking hinge hanging on the open door of an old 359 pete, with the wind blowing towards robots.
It was about the money to be mad off truckers and is now about
the money to be made getting rid of truckers.
The money is on the ROBOT and technology…
It’s better to get that straight in your soul or get out.
the 8/2 split is still legal and a very effective way to run.. And
SAFE!
$45 an hour
Yeah right !!
Not bs. That’s pretty close to what I do.
Wrong.
A o/o truck is nothing else as a rental car from, let’s say hearts.
When you need a transportation for you an your stuff from place a to place b , you pay the rental company an amount per mile.
But what will happens, if you are not able or willing to drive.
You rent/hire a driver. Paid per hours.
We should do the same. Request for the distance and the time, as every taxi driver will charge you.
But if he goes to New York, he makes money. When we sit in the traffic with stop and go, we loose every second and get nothing for this.
Change the laws, pay us our part. You would raise the economy and get back more taxes. To reinvest in a trucking system with future.
Be happy to show you my .55 a mile paystub 2500 miles Chicago to Lakeland, Florida and back. Leave on Friday night, home on Wednesday morning with Sunday off in Lakeland. Do the math my friend.
Granted I’ve been driving 20+ years and pretty much get my way, and am a highly spoiled driver. because I’ve been with the same company since they opened their doors.
that equals 5.95 cents an hour. 1375.00 minus say 375.00
for taxes and expenses on the road. =1000.00 take home.
Lets say that took the full 168 hour week you were gone from home.
1000.00 /168 hours = 5.95 an hour.
Less money than a waiter or McD’s(by the way, McD’s is testing robots to serve u. ) so ….
your hours worked may vary.
the ELD clock is always running.In micro seconds. You have to legally
state you are working a second job, pre-ELD or paper logs.
If you get in a crash, the lawyers will take your life apart, second by second.
They will find you at Wally world spending your 5.95 an hour via cash or credit. You didn’t get you required 10 or 34.
You have no privacy as a CDL driver.
The clock never stops and
you are found guilty of vehicular manslaughter, as you worked the second job to pay your house payment and feed the kids.
You lose everything in court and bankruptcy.
There needs to be driver protections in place. This industry is driven by bureaucratic idiots that have never even driven a truck. They have no real understanding. They continue to implement rules that just allow employers to abuse their drivers and force drivers to be aggressive on the road to make enough miles and money to pay the bills. If you protect the *drivers and their interests, you will have drivers that inspect their trucks; drive the speed limit; rest when they’re tired; and tell dispatch to f*ck right off when they’re asked to break the rules without having to worry about their job security.
If they gave the drivers more flexibility to get their mileage in and gave them the ability to just drive in lighter traffic, regardless of when they started, they could maximize their mileage, their fuel and still get enough rest to safely operate. Frankly, the best way to maximize everything is driving over night.
for the longest time i hated doing a log book, then it hit me one day that the log book is my best friend, if not for my best friend i would be working 7 days a week, 20 hr days, i guess thats great for super truckers, but after 31 years of non accident and no moving violations since 1993
driving i want my beauty sleep
i do hate the 30 minute break though
I agree the biggest trucking companies pushing these rules are met for one purpose to push us out period every time I hear the trucking industry supports these new laws it scares me I am a small trucking company with 4 Trucks this 14 hours hurts my drivers now if they need to stop and maybe get a little nap in for safety they are very aware it my cost them getting home and when all my trucks are home every day one can see the issue
If FMSCA really cared then maybe they could put some pressure on these companies that can take hours to load and unload our allow a driver a chance to go off duty and not hurt there 14 hour deadline stop fixing problems that don’t exist there’s enough real problems that can be fixed but if your only listening to those who have millions of dollars to throw around and have a agenda .
Thank you OOIDA for being our voice please don’t give up we have your back as you have ours.
Just gotta learn how to turn wrenches and get an older truck and stock up on loose leafs …. I’m sure glad I know how to do my own work on a truck… like I said way back when they first changed the laws , it doesn’t change the way you drive….it changes the way you lie!
That’s the truth and nothing but the fact
yet eventually sooner or later, the downward pressure on freight rates,
will put O/O’s with 99′ and older equipment out of business, except for
niche , local haul,etc, as the compliance rates for new age tech will go up,
our old trucks with 3 day delivery will become obsolete with 1 and a half day delivery.
Buy a doorman’s suit and hat, polish your shoes and prepare to be a cargo swing door opener, as the robot cant’t do that yet.
Then that job goes away as hi-tek locks and openers take over.
The genocide of the American worker……
(See Amazon and the Likes)
There are many types of robots and they are not limited to just driving, they can scan, sense, open doors, remove loads, do repairs, pretty much everything that there is to do, even be customer friendly. If you think that they are limited, then you are the limited one. I’m not saying this in defense of them, quite the opposite in fact. We need to realize this and move forward with this in mind, even if it means working with them to continue our way of life. The money hungry corporations don’t care whether we do or not. They are going in this direction. Take for example Pepsi’s order for 100 of the Tesla trucks, which will eventually be robotic. So, be warned my friends, they are not limited.
I drive in the US, Can and in Europe.
Even with all positive view I want to invest I can see , that in Europe the rules are strict but the income are higher. Instead we have here in the US , where the industry is focused only on the profit, without seeing that their loading/unloading system is not working, a situation that the driver has an income per hour low as in China or Africa. In Europe a carrier pays a min $25 for a driver in a 40 hrs week. Let us work more to have more. We are America!
What shall we do with 30 paid vacation days a year????!!!!!
Let us work harder , support our industry, that they can raise faster our food prices. They need the option to have a chance to sell it maybe worldwide.
( They don’t buy our stuff ? they need to reduce their standards, or we substitute the price, by taking away more from our drivers, the group, who can’t fight back!??)
No!
We don’t need a regulation by hrs.
We need a regulation of the market.
No dumping paid miles any more.
Washington must wake up and work for us.
We worked too long for free for you!
they buy our stuff…private branded from China..American Company
Stockholder action overseas production…don’t be fooled!
2500 miles a week. 40 cpm average. 1000.00 dollars minus
300-400 in taxes and expenses a week. 600.00 take home divided
by 168 on the job OTR = 3.57 an hour. Do the math on you miles and
paid cpm per week and hours worked.
3.57 an hour.
House payment 2300. a month on average in Colorado, for a cheap
house..add the rest of the bills. Have fun!
Robots coming to take your job.
naive if you think big business or Congress in your corner.
Genocide of the American worker….
Damn You work cheap..
Go to a pickup location and get stuck for 3 hours drive to the delivery and spend 2 1/2 hours,, your wait time is non productive putting no money into your pocket, take that downtime from your 14 hours shift, Warehouses need some rehabilitation
The government is the only authority on when you are tired and when you can work. Seems like OOIDA isn’t thinking straight on this one. Instead of stopping the clock, get rid of the clock. The 14 hour crap is made-up baloney. Who cares when I start or end my day? Is it relevant to safety? No. Allow 11 hours driving, then 10 off. Every day. Forget the break, since nobody is going to sit in the seat for 11 hours without stopping anyway. Forget the 8 day garbage, since it has no bearing on today. If you want to squawk about ‘cumulative effects’ then nobody should be allowed to drive more than 7 days…..ever. 7 days and you’re done.
I’ve slept when I’m tired and driven when I’m not for the last 35 years, and never wrecked a truck. Pay attention to what you are supposed to be doing, forget about turning on your flashers every time you hit a bump, and you would be surprised how easy life becomes
I agree with you 💯 percent.
NAILED IT!!!
Hourly pay would fix a lot of the problems. Drivers just need to say no when they are tired. Drivers are not robots.
It was the lack of regulations on the industry that created this whole problem.The federal Gov.exempted the trucking industry from the Federal Wage and Labor act.
Thank you. Finally someone said it.
robots won’t be tired…. they just replace them. Won’t need the
enigmatic FLSA to quote when all is said and done.
See, when it is decided that America is to be quieted, the entity
that launches a 10 meg 20 to 60 miles over the center of North America,
will EMP most electronics…we will be starved for every thing..
that old 359 pete will run without an ELD or computer ECM, may need to keep a spare alternator/regulator and some batteries in an EMP safe, so then your dying breed rig will be at a premium…going to happen, sooner or later..
The problem with 11 straight then 10 off is you won’t be sleepy after 11! Say you start your day at 8:00 and finish at 19:00, are you going to be tired? I say adapt Canada’s HOS and that’s it. 13 hr driving, 14 hr on-duty, and 16 hr days. You still need 10 hrs off duty in a 24 hr day but you can pause your hours for 2 hrs during the day.
unfortunate, but the driver of today is conditioned to being
controlled by devices.
All the HOS and ELD’s do
is condition a driver to be a mediocre driver.
Controlled by the distractions of ELD’s, HOS that tells you when to pee
,eat sleep,etc.
But with us deciding how much sleep we need you get those. “Oh I don’t need no gosh damned sleep. You can sleep when your dead”. That’s why the 10 was introduced in the first place
Leave it up to truckers and they would drive 20 hrs a day causing all kind of accidents.. truckers need to be regulated they are undiscipline in so many ways
no..the symptoms are being treated, just like any quack doctors would do. Feed you poison to control you.
The treatment that is correct is to treat the cause.
HOS is micro-management. ELD’s are micro-management.
Desk Top dispatchers, greed shippers/receivers/employers/ticket writers and much more who work(??) in this industry are the true
disease of this industry. The symptoms are not the same as the cause.
A lot of “experts” who don’t do the job and never have,never will and who control the driver, who is underpaid, un appreciated
and are getting the boot for …wait for it…NOT SAFETY…
but PROFIT MARGIN!
Just ask the FMCSA about how you can drive your truck on personal conveyance after you have hit the 14 hrs. The answer is. Well as long as you aren’t getting a compensation you can have work time extensions and don’t have to log the movement. This is clearly saying that you can only make so much money. why would it make a difference if I’m getting paid or not? That has nothing to do with being safe. They are so smart with brain washing people to believe it’s for safety. When it really is all about how much the trucking industry or drivers can make a week. They don’t won’t it to pass their salaries. I think people need to mandating the length of time they work. Are you telling me no one at the federal level has never worked over 14 hours? and then only have about 5 hours of sleep and then go right back to work another 16-17 hours? I’m sorry but cars can kill people just has much as Big rigs can. I say since we are moving American and keeping families fed and medical supplies delivered that they make all car get off the road at a certain time. And give us room to work. Sure that wouldn’t happen. But when we have a natural disaster and FEMA kicks in all of a sudden HOS and weight restrictions no longer apply. How bizarre!
Crash number will never improve till:
1. 4 Wheelers are controlled, I’m sorry but even though police may think every accident is the truckers fault, they are not. We can’t prevent, everything.
2. ELD are repealed, since their implement, I’ve seen a major increase of unsafe driving by truckers, just to overcome the burden they are causing, sure there is the fact that there is no room for politeness on the American highways today, but it’s only gotten worst not with the ELD mandate.
TRUE!
crash numbers are rigged..note that since ELD’s in place, since 2015
crash numbers are up and going up….HUH???.
Younger drivers don’t have the paper log experience of making
safe driving decisions. Stop and take a nap..no…never heard of FATIGUE,
no….ELD manages by the micro second..Driven to drive or more likely crash… drivers are running like rabbits..
watch a few scream through the truck stops…trying to save a few minutes parking…not enough available parking…
and on and on it goes.
The present HOS and ELD’s make for mediocre drivers.
Never will the driver be weaned from the teat of government interference or the greed of big business.
Not to mention the new breed of drivers, many of whom are not drivers at all and spend their driving hours texting and playing computer games instead of paying attention.
Just do away with the 14 hour rule that’s what they need to be fighting for .
I agree it is best when the driver can run at his or her own pace.
People are not robot’s some of us need sleep breaks, for my self anyhow I like to stop and sleep when I feel like it. For safety sake. People are not alike some need more breaks than others. Class C drivers have no break rules .truckers need equal rights. The is to much goverment interference. This why the industry is hurting for drivers.
Most people can’t sleep 10 hours straight. Maybe 5 hours and when on duty comes around it’s time to go. Well your not ready. This is why truck stop and road sides are over crowded at night. Once again we are not robot’s .
More complexities. Get rid of the 14 hour rule completely.
They are focusing on truck driver as they are the problem. Smaller vehicles cause the truck driver to have accidents. Then they continue on down the road leaving the truck driver to take the blame. Instead of wasting tax payers money on implementing New rules. Let’s try something different. When we renew our license, we attend a class on how to operate a smaller vehicle around large trucks. This mean truck drivers and anyone with a drivers license will be trained and retrained when they renew there licence.
the general public has right of way..don’t you know that???!
Eisenhower brought the interstate into being to protect America
and move America. Yet trucks by no means have the right of way.
All for common sense driving(SAFETY is the cliche’ word)
and driver in control.
So why can grandma or anyone else drive with many prescription drugs on hand for an unlimited amount of hours? Just off work, go to bar, go shopping and still drive. No limit for the entitled,narcissistic
American spoiled public.
Screw you truckers…is the American motto.
I have been saying for years that this needs to be addressed! I think that every 5 hour course for new drivers should include some info on truck safety. Don’t pass on the right, don’t cut them off, etc. If new drivers were more aware of the potential hazards…ie: your little Honda civic will look like a crushed can of soda if you slam on your breaks or cut us off…80,000lbs against your 2,500…..think about it!
We need to get rid of the cdl driving school mills that turns driver out that cant back up when then turn them loose i have helped of backed many trucks in for drivers like this and I helped a rookie at the va scale that couldn’t slide his tandem because his trailer brakes wasn’t working he said they told him just drive the truck
I’d have to agree to an extent… I’m a product of a school that didn’t tell us everything we needed to know however there was one trainer who took extra time on the road to explain the realities…
My 1st 30 days out I was with a lead driver who only cared about money and kept telling me don’t worry about pre trips cause maintenance takes care of the truck… we ran out of gas twice and oil once… dude couldn’t even check the brake lines…
you ran out of GAS?? for a DIESEL rig?? and , here it is,
you are at the wheel, YOU are in command. Pull that rig into a DOT
scale and ask for a Level One. You won’t be ticketed, but tat stupid lead driver will? Kick him to the curb,or get a request in for a real professional. You are in command when YOU drive, check the oil
dipstick yourself. You get the ticket if you are in an accident, not that knuckle head.
GET IT?!
watch any good swift videos lately??? no need, the show is on the road.
Any trucker that is against ELDs is an illegal trucker. Quit crying lil babies.
I can tell by that remark ur just a wheel holder !!
You got that right. The ones that want ELDs are usually the ones spending hrs at the truck stop during their shift screwing off.
You got that right…never seen it so bad! They park on the curbs, beside the scales, take the 30 min. break in the fuel lanes…all this during the day when theres lots of parking available! Too lazy to walk a few yards or they just cant drive! Drivers pulling doubles should be the ONLY ones doing this!
He’s probably one of those wheel holders that drives 3 mph around the truck stop or shipper so he doesn’t trip his beloved elog on.
Its the steerimg wheel holders lile the other post who like the ELDs csuse they are too young and unseasoned of a driver to know the difference between paper logs and ELDs…..
Amen
I agree with you if you’re running legal you can do just as good on e-logs as you can with paper logs. The big key is IF!! You are running legal. Stop crying about the ELD’s and drive legal.
what doctor described your totally naivetivity drugs?
ELD’s and present HOS make for mediocre and unsafe drivers, as the true problem is you will never be the best driver you can be when and ELD is driving the truck.
The first priority of driving is to Drive…safely and professionally,
and not put up with the device enhanced distractions.
Being brainwashed is not common sense safe driving.
Trucker?what do you mean by trucker? real O/O are against ELD. If you are a frustrated driver keep your ignorant comments to yourself. You will never understand what means to be O/O so keep doing what your handler is telling you to do.
I’m old school started in 1981. Go back to 15 on and I can live with 9 off. For the life of I can’t find enough to do but get frustrated wasting my time taking 10 off when I could be home 1/2 day sooner taking 9 off instead of 10. Sad how regulators of the deep state are so stupid.
Heck with 3 hrs- do away with the 14 hr rule all togeather, leave the drive 11- even the Half our brake and the 10 hr brake but do away with the 14 so we are not fighting the clock all day and running our asses off once we get loaded to make up the time that we sat to load or get m/t or traffice or weather or them days when you don’t feel good and have to take a nap….. throw our the 14 hr rule and all is well.
The problem is the 14 hour rule do away with that and then we can talk about everything else.
Any trucker that is for elds is a lazy driver. Those are the ones who want and need it elds. The rest of us are out here really working, trying to get the job done, and get home to or families. Safely!!!
HUZZAH!
I think the welds need to to go away
I feel the USA should take a look at the Canadian HOS, we have the ability to extend our work shift to 16 hour by taking 2 hours of off duty during shift and then 8 hours of berth to complete the 24 hour day. Never been a fan of our 13 hour driving day but I feel a 12 hour compromise would line up all of North America.
Doug hit the nail on the head, 11 hours driving and 10 off duty. Get rid of the clock, we can keep using the eld just to prove the 11 and 10 rule, and to keep us honest. It would make things a lot simpler for everyone.
The 4 wheelers, super single tires and automatic transmission’s are the reason for most of the crashes now a days!! Super single tires are like putting ski’s on a truck, and automatic transmission’s are bad all around; let me explain;!First down hill the auto will upshift on you because the computer reads a red line,,it happened to me,and the driver also has nothing else to do so there mind wanders; They get board and then start texting or checking email;; and for the driver that thinks elf’s make a driver safe! Bullshit!!! ELD’S make drivers drive when they are tierd because of the 14 hr rule!! A 2-4 hr nap could prevent a lot of wrecks but because only a 8 hr brake extends the 14 your load will be late;!!! I agree get rid of the 14 hr rule and the 30 minute brake!! And forward facing cameras would save drivers a lot of undeserved tickets because it would show that 95% of all car/ truck wrecks are caused by the car!!!! Not the truck!!! Retrain all drivers that don’t have a CDL!!!!!! Also!!!
Finally, OOIDA is going in the right direction. I am not against ELD’s. Matter of fact, the only thing that has changed with ELD’s is the realization that HOS as written are not workable in the real world…something I’ve been saying for months. I started driving in Jan 95…when you parked, the clock stopped. We parked before rush hour before going through major metro areas and used the HOS so we couldn’t of make deliveries and get needed rest. What changed? The very same reasons the HOS we’re implemented in the 1930’s, ie, carriers and shippers forcing or taking advantage of drivers to get their loads delivered in an unreasonable short period of time. Shippers want their freight to the receiver in the least amount of time? Pay the team premium and run it all day and night to get there. Problem with that is shippers would and carriers would put it on solos to run. The past 10 years, megas have tried running these types of loads using a relay system. Ultimately, there’s always a leg that fails, then the load fails. What’s gotten smaller companies in trouble? Taking loads that were impossible to legally run on the current HOS rules knowing full well that any delays could be taken care of on paper. How do I know? Because that was the norm until the ELD’s. Actually, why did I no longer falsify logs? Cameras! Everywhere and everyone has cameras. No problem until (usually through no fault of the driver) a wreck happens involving another vehicle or other property damage and then an investigation in launched and then, well, the truth comes out. The basis for HOS is almost as old as trucking. It’s time to get some 21st century common sense HOS that take the real world into consideration. I have opposed OOIDA’s disagreement with ELD’s. They are here to stay thanks more to the insurance companies more than anything else. But I can stand squarely behind OOIDA’s effort to HOS rules that the industry can work with while making sure that drivers aren’t being harassed by carriers/shippers/brokers to make impossibly scheduled loads delivered on time. So, hats off to Todd Spencer and OOIDA! If you agree, become a member and help make their voice louder. But please remember…it’s not “what’s in it for me” rather it’s “what’s in it for us”! Just my two cents worth.
Let drivers decide? You mean let dispatchers decide how to work you more for less. Either way we lose.
This is what OOIDA should have been pushing long ago rather than all their hollow arguments against elogs. Drivers know when they need to rest so give them that flexibility. Get rid of the 14 hour clock? Not going to happen, yet. If OOIDA can get flexibility in the clock then later on, if statistics support it, THEN it would be easier to push for an end to the 14 hour clock. It would also make it easier on DOT officers when doing a log inspection. Not too hard to count a 10 hour block between drive times. Heck, they could do it without even taking off their shoes.
Matthew, Most ELD drivers are not in exact compliance either. True that. And calling people names never gets you anywhere good.
Mr Spencer’s suggestion is about the HOS and reinstating the once allowed and very good ruling of allowing a rest break and deferring a running clock. Were you driving before the 14 hr rule ? We’re you driving when the sleeper berth extension was in effect ? Is your route, run and schedule exactly the same as every North American driver ? I bet the answer is no.
Look at all the exemptions given this far. Even the FMCSA knows the HOS is not a one size fits all and needs flexibility. Mr Spencer’s suggestion is tried and true and simplifies a lot of problems with the HOS.
Thank you Sir
I hear all you driver’s complaining about the 14 hour rule and the 30 minute break rule. And I agree with most of what you’re all saying. But I haven’t read a word addressing the real problem! The one that seems to be only in the background! Why has no one mentioned the issue of shipper’s and receiver’s taking 2, 3 or more hours to load or unload? When a driver bumps the dock, there’s no reason to be in that dock longer than an hour. When a shipper calls a broker to set up a pickup time, that load should be required to be staged on that dock by the time that truck arrives! How many times have you arrived at your appointment on time only to be told, your load isn’t ready? Or worse yet, not told anything??
The same applies to receivers! There is absolutely no reason it should take longer than an hour to unload a truck! Actually a half-hour is more realistic, but I’d settle for an hour. If the shippers and receiver’s did what they were supposed to, the 24 hour rule wouldn’t be that big of a deal! But the politicians won’t force that into big business. They would rather make our jobs harder by over regulating us.
Ok shippers and receivers have nothing to do with the ELD . And when you tell them that you will be told that’s on you not us . And the dot has nothing to do with them both . But it is a good question and fight .
woooooooh horse! the laws were enacted because shippers and receivers,employers,
and Congress(Federal Labor Standards Act of ’38) refuse and refused
to pay OTR drivers or local drivers a fair wage or guarantee overtime pay.
You literally ran your wheels off…
Everyone likes to point the finger at drivers…so when paper log drivers
were held 10 hours for a half hour load on appointment…then told that they had to get the load there yesterday..or look for a new job…was that all the driver’s fault??
Fleet Owner’s mag has an executive saying the industry wants younger drivers who understand the technology.
The ELD data is being crunched so that AI(artificial intelligence)
robots can use that data to drive the truck.
Don’t be naive about the intent of the industry.
No matter what OOIDA does, it is not enough to sway the
government and TLA/ATA and all that ilk that a robot is not
a better choice to do in 2 days what a human does in five, NON-STOP
Rates are up due to the ELD.
Companies/OOs are making more money in less time.
Why are you fighting to go back to sweatshop illegal working hours in order to make a living?
I don’t want to work 20 hours instead of 14 due due to other carriers exploiting drivers to work illegally.
I don’t want to accommodate slow shippers/receivers by working longer hours by working longer hours.
Thank you
i run eld i have no problems with it never had a violation just gotta manange your hours better and yes most wrecks with involving semis and cars are the cars fault that wont change people need to get off cell phones and watch the road thats the same for new drivers i see lots of truck drivers on the cell phone but i prefer eld over paper log i can manange my hours and plan my trips so i know where im gonna stop for my 30 and where im gonna stop for my ten hour breaks i know how much time i get back for recaps and how much time i can drive with those recaps i usally leave a hour free to find parking but i also usally start driving around midnight so most truck stops have parking and no im not a wheel holder or a solar power driver
I’ve been driving for about 14 years and every year it has gotten worse but my thing is you all are fighting for the wrong thing with the ELD or was out the Eld we still have 11 hours of driving and 10 hours of sleeping to be legal so what is the difference of logging into the ELD for 11 hours and sleeping for 10 with the Eld you guys are fighting for the wrong thing
This man is Right!!!… I agree… Can’t get the truckers to park..! So Everything is going to go up..! Mega Carriers want to push all little companies out so they can raise freight rates..!! You the public will suffer..!!! This man is Right…!!!!
Mega carriers, mega carriers. What are mega carriers???
FYI there are only 12% of trucking companies in this country with more then 20 trucks. They can’t move everything with that 12%. What are UPS and Fedex and Swift with there 50K combined powers to over 3 million of class 8 out there??? Think before you speak. Don’t just blindly repeat stupidity of others.
DON’T stop ELD’s or HOS at all, love them, It’s $$$$$ in the pocket. Trick Tuning trucks to run as fast as 90 mph is the new career, spend $800 on the computer and chinese software. Taking trucks from 62 mph to 100 is now in big demand.
ELD’s has made trucking the new hackers paradi$e!
Thanks ELD’s, you are AWESOME!
BTW – Anyone need a 100mph Semi, Just ask around, Hackers are setting up at every major city, and a few others. Also available, 104 mph rated tires, 107 mph steer tires, Laser/radar units, water resistant Starch speed camera spray for license tags, Bluetooth adapters to De-tune right when you hit a weight station, and RE-ELD software available to make your screen on ANY ELD flicker at over 300 cycles a second to make it self destruct on command if needed.
Be careful in school zones, keep it under 80!
What “OOIDA” should be demanding is that “FMCSA” mandate that the Trucking Industry Nation Wide be changed to a hourly wage of
$30.00 per hour with time in half after
8hrs of on duty time and the work day limited to just 12hrs per day!
If this took place I guarantee you there would be no more messed up loads and trips would be better planned Logistically!
Makes to much sense.
stupid americans, trying to compete with an autonomous competitor….. look up John Henry.
The 14 hr rule pause won’t solve the current problem. The problem is the HOS rules, not ELDs. ELDs are just another way to keep track of your time. They have their advantages and disadvantages.
Personally, the HOS needs simplified, not have more convolutions added. A simple fix would to allow 12hrs of accumulated on duty time (driving or not driving) followed by a mandatory 10hr break. I would keep the 8/2 sleeper berth just for some added flexibility without compromise to safety.
The switching from drive time to any on duty time would easily cover OTR and Local guys. I firmly believe local guys getting hosed was the reason for the installation of the 14hr rule. As far as the 70hr rule that has been in place in one form or another for a long time. I would leave it be.
Of course no one would take advantage of drivers having no hours of service requirements! Lol, have you noticed how easy this transition to using ELDs has been! I am newly retired but I suspect this transition time has been a serious mess for many drivers and warehouse people just because too many people cut others slack on the hours of service! Like motorcycle helmets and seat belts, sometimes we have to follow rules because they are good for us and others! We need to make this work, not throw it all away.
Just say no when you need to sleep.
Exactly!!
Yeah, I’m not working 17 hours a day because you OTR guys choose a profession where you sit for hours at shippers and receivers. Quit whining and go get a local job if you don’t like sitting and not making $. Your problem not mine…
If you start having to work 17 hours a day maybe you should find a different employer or a different profession.
If the trucks were loaded and unloaded in a timely fashion it would help all concerned. Many shippers/receivers already do this.
Pay by the hour is the answer. Just get rid of the hours of service and have drivers keep a journal showing what they do.Drivers need to just show some common sense about getting enough sleep. Besides the time away from home, There is no talk about the damage to drivers health the job causes.The current pay is way too little for the job.
The issue we face at hand is as usual being argued the wrong way. I personally don’t give a damn about ELDs. The reason why I don’t care is like many tracking devices it shows and gives accountability. Many brokers, shippers, receivers, and dispatch love to screw us drivers by not paying detentions due to arguing my word versus theirs. ELDs are a perfect alibi to support the driver. One clear example.
However, HOS needs complete overhauling. And this honestly is the root of the problem. The 70 hour 8 day rule is nothing but problems. First there are 7 days a week. Do the math 70 divided by 8 equals 8.75 hours. Or better said 9 hours a day. This is what the average worker in any field works a day, when accounting for driving in and out of work. Transportation is 95% driving. No way we should be held to this standard. The HOS should 80 hour 7 day with a mandatory 48 hour reset every 30 days. Duty clock should be 16 hour with 14 hours of drive time. This is more realistic and practical all around.
Furthermore, the excuse for enacting the HOS was to create safety from fatigue and prevent drivers from accidents. Statistics have shown this is not the case. In comparison lets use the medical industry. Nurses and doctors are virtually working 90 to 100 hours work weeks. And look at all the medical malpractice suits and errors they have due to lack of sleep. But the Fed’s haven’t ever proposed an HOS for medical workers. And those lawsuits rack up a higher bill than any logistics incident. Industrial construction workers are in the same boat 90 to 100 hour work week than lead numerous accidents. Even with OSHA mandates for safety, no area for HOS. There is little justification for HOS in transportation.
Now we why HOS was created and pushed for. This was pushed not necessarily to drown out small companies but for the bigger companies(Schneider, Werner, CRST, Swift, etc.) to be able push more loads faster and for the same rates. Introduce HOS and the only way to expedite loads are through team driving. They lose no money in the process but move loads twice as fast. Remember the drivers have to split the miles. And because of this process we got a plethora of inexperience and careless drivers operating CMVs. Send these people to a 2 to 3 week school just to pass the test then team them up with a trainer who has only 3 to 6 months of experience their self. A formula for disaster. And this is how ELDs are unsafe. It FORCES every company to employ inexperienced and unsafe drivers. All those big companies who have pushed and created this are the same companies that have overturned trucks all over US Highways.
And finally the best part. The politicians loved signing off on HOS and ELDs. Why? Because face it commercial drivers were making the same if not more money prior to these proposals. And everyone feels that truckers are just uneducated country bumpkins. Yet these college educated fools couldn’t ever do what we do day in and out. And for all the unaware Americans who don’t understand what all our fussing is about they are in for a rude awakening over the next year. The price of commodities will double due to the cost of freight double to get goods to the store before they expire. Voters vote with doing any research or thinking about the long term effect or consequences.
So that the whole picture is shown lets see if anybody will fight the correct way on ELDs and HOS. I know this driver will survive no matter which way it goes.
How about we work 8 hours and get paid by the hour like “normal” people. When I get paid for a sick day it’s 33.50 an hr., except they get that figure by my weekly pay check average 1,340. But I have to work 65 hrs to get that.
The job needs a lot of flexibility.electronic logs and other people telling you when you are tired is not the answer.How about asking drivers if they are good to go. Personal responsibility. How many people park and are not tired and can’t get to sleep then get a phone call telling them they have been parked long enough so they should go?The driver knows when he is rested.Not dispatch or a computer log.
The bottom line we need to be able to work and make money good money every trucking company should!d have to pay no less than 21 dollars an hour I don’t know about other trucker but 12 hr day is all you need to work
I Agree the HOURS of SERVICE is just a FARCE.SAFTEY has gone down since the mandate was put in place regardless of the false statics the media has spewed out upon the public.I myself run a dedicated rte pre-loaded at shipper then live unload/reload
empties normally home daily.It has became a lot tougher and more stressful now for if any complications arise at either end i don’t make it home.i typically run 3 trips a week but shipper has been adding an extra run or two a week which when i get tired or bad weather arises i am forced to drive to hopefully make my deliveries and putting my life/public at risk.THE HOURS OF SERVICE NEEDS TO GO.the 11 driving/10 off is fine.
I agree with the requested change to the HOS, but what will it do to the 8-2 split? I run that a lot and if the petition is not worded correctly, FMCSA would probably do away with that little tool that a lot of us use.
Local would be great for me but those jobs dont pay my mortgage. Besides whose going to do the work that local doesnt cover? Riddle me that batman
Also return the break to 8 hr. The 3 hr pause could work.
Do not need comments from rookies
Sorry guys. I know some of you (sure as hell not all) are intelligent, responsible drivers. You know when you need to sleep and when you’re good to go. But not all drivers are like you. Some are stupid, irresponsible and even good drivers can convince themselves they’re good to go when the fact is they are drowsy and impaired. As long as there are big commercial vehicles on the road there has get to be HOS regulations. Also. I used to be a company trainer and I always told new drivers that the log book is not for your Safety Manager or the DOT man. It’s for you, so you can tell the damn desperate dispatcher, ‘Sorry, I’d love to help you out, but I don’t have the hours’.
Exactly. I remember being forced by dispatch to drive when I was on paper logs. I was a new driver and stupid then. ELD is a blessing, in my opinion. I could drive the hours when I was well rested by simply following a set schedule on my 14 hour clock. That way the company could not legally force me to drive when I was not well rested.
So ooida pushed for eld mandate elimination so the law could be circumvented….to no success at the behest of millions. .. now they push for hos changes…the real issue all along was flawed HOS rules.
Seems ooida needs an overhaul
The ELD thing has never been about safety, but control and government control of freight. Freight and anything that can be put in a tractor-trailer. Our gov now, via the ELD, has the ability to shut down and disable any tractor thereby halting that load or loads. Now hackers and terrorists can be blamed for shutting down freight and commerce and causing us economlc woes… 911 clearly taught us that the US gov is not about safety.
OOIDA is headed in the right direction, their awesome.
Eld’s have pros and cons altogether. I think that what OOIDA is requesting is a great idea. Stopping the clock so drivers can take a nap, shower, eat, etc… and not have to worry about the 14 hour clock catching up to the 11 hour clock. The 30 minute break really does cause more issues than it helps. I think that the way the HOS are set up right now causes more accidents and violations than ever. The HOS laws and regulations have had more bad implications than it has had good results. The rise in accidents involving trucks is mostly due to aggressive driving from four wheelers but the trucks that are at fault is due to being tired from having to beat the clock. If we had the chance to stop our clocks to take a nap I think that would the best thing the government could do for the trucking industry.
I approached OOIDA with a petition to overhaul the HOS rules two years ago and was told by them directly that it was a lost cause. Now this? Who’s the one who lacks vision here?
Furthermore, the requested 3 hour timeout is a joke that will have a minimal effect. The rules need to return to split time where anything over two hours can be combined with other time off to make up the 10 hour break.
Basically the 14 hour rule and the 10 hour rule need repealing in order to have safe roads again. They are unsafe and statistics prove it.
Congress can overhaul these rules regardless of what the FMCSA says. This is where it needs to go.
As long as you drivers run by the mile or %. You will spend the rest of your miserable lives fighting for a longer work day and keeping the pay low in the industry. If everyone demanded an hourly wage. None of this would be an issue. They are basically asking the government for 3 more hours a day with no pay. If that is not insane I don’t know what is.
I think drivers should concentrate on obtaining a different skill set and get out of trucking completely and watch the system crumble into a pile of rubble. We should get paid by the hour and overtime past 8 hours daily. All of the costs get passed to the shippers and cosignees so that they get their ducks in a row. I am sick of my check taking a dump every time a warehouse takes forever loading and unloading…..Or just unionize all truckers. Truckers unite and let the owners of goods figure out how to load and unload more efficiently.
Think that everyone is mad at the wrong people. Werner is the company that started all this stuff. They are the genny pigs and now the farmers Fmcsa are making it rules
I am sooooooo glad I’m one year from retirement. I pity the driver just getting started in the industry. Who knows what regulations there’ll be in 20 years.
I do have two suggestions:
How about the oh-so-great government spend a little time and effort on cutting down or eliminating the CORRUPTION present in the trucking industry, no matter the segment.
REGULATE THE FREIGHT RATES. Back when the rates were regulated, everybody made money because it didn’t matter who’s name was on the side of the truck. The freight rate was XYZ from point A to point B no matter who carried the freight. That forced the trucking big-wigs to compete on customer service, and everybody made money.
Today, freight rate goes down, and those drivers/owner ops who’s pay depends on the freight rate goes down.
Deregulating the freight rates years ago (along with the airline prices) was a scheme cooked up by the mega-carriers & promoted as fostering “more competition”. In reality, all it did was provide a path to run the smaller carriers out of business.
Same thing happened with the airlines, for the same reason.
Regulation? I thought over regulation was the problem? If a company can’t keep drivers maybe the problem is the company needs to change its culture to keep drivers happy? That means more pay, more time off, and respect for the driver’s needs and concerns.
It’s real simple. Just eliminate the14 hour rule. After a driver has run 11 hours, he must take his 10 hour break.
Traffic jam? just stop until it clears. No penalty.
Stuck at a shipper/receiver? no problem…just continue until your 11 is up.
The need for the 30 minute break is eliminated.
The problem here is your body is on a 24 hour clock. Getting proper rest means you have to keep on a regular driving and sleeping schedule.
The 3-hour stop the clock implementation would be perfect that’s what I’ve been complaining about for the longest I would be able to pull over when traffic is grossly congested and sit it out for a few hours instead of being forced to drive through it and therefore becoming more fatigued because if not I lose my shift/driving hours.
You guys like to whine. I’ve been in this business 35 years, 12 of it as an owner operator. If you’d quit screw balling around sitting in the truck stops telling your horror stories or sitting in your truck making your YouTube videos thinking you’re some kind of Hollywood producer all day you’d get some work done on the clock. And ooida is a farce! They brag about what they do and they do nothing for you but collect your money so they can sit down there and their big fancy building in Missouri and talk about how much money they made off you fools. Yes, You didn’t lose a few hours during the day trying to get loaded or unloaded. You would have done that with paper logs. I didn’t think much of the ELD mandate when it came through either. But the truth be known, I make more money with this thing in my truck now than I ever did running paper logs and I don’t have half the headaches trying to worry about what I’m putting on paper.
How do you know that the hours of service rules are the cause of more crashes? Could it be the federal regulations that makes the recruiting of new and inexperienced drivers a revolving door because trucking companies are hiring new drivers and firing experienced drivers for minute reasons like getting banned from a small customer?
This is why I prefer the Canadian rules. No, not perfect but better.
Eliminate the 14 altogether, along with the 30 minute break. Just let us log up to 12 hours in a 24 hour day, midnight to midnight home terminal time. No more 8/11/14/70 hour clocks, just a simple 12 hours a day any way you want to log it. The only drawback to this plan is it would allow an unscrupulous/idiot driver to work 24 hours straight noon to noon, but doing that would also require a full 12 hours off duty before and after. It’s a simple, easy to understand plan that accomplishes everything the current HOS rules purportedly do, while still allowing the flexibility drivers need.
You know guys, as an old timer of the road, I have to agree with most of the ELD rules. Back in the day, we were pretty much forced to keep our rigs moving for 24 – 30 hours -non-stop-. We lived off those little pink pills called Bennies. That’s where the term “Bennie is doing the driving” came from. I think most of the old time OTRs can remember using the ditch as a rest stop (usually not by choice), buying fuel from a farmer, carrying your own cash to pay for fuel and hope like hell the company that is supposed to reimburse you is still there when you get home, will agree with this post.
Some of the rules are over-done because armchair office dwellers are making up the rules without consulting the actual drivers themselves. Eventually, there will be agreed upon rules than both sides can work with.
Amen,i agree 100% now this is something i can agree with.
Just do away with eld logs why do I need a clock telling me in tired I’m a 39 year career better driver
Why do we need to keep a log book any way it’s nothing but a joke
Why do we need log books if you can drive a big camper then they need one also they weight as much as we do
I agree with a lot of the comments but I also disagree with some of the comments I think in the TRUCKING World we should be able to stop our clock at a shipper as long as we are not touching the freight, we should be able to stop our clock especially when you’re in downtown Los Angeles at 2pm in the afternoon and you’re heading back at 4pm
You’re gonna hit nothing but a traffic jam no matter which way you go so yeah that two hours could be in a advantage to get you to a consignee to make a delivery
Now on the other hand companies are gonna take advantage of this one.
They say it’s gonna make drivers safer,I don’t think so!
When you start your day at 4a and end at 9pm witch is 17hours your beat.
Now imagine doing that five days a week rush-hour traffic back-and-forth from Los Angeles to Palm Springs you’re going to be beat after the third day of doing that and only getting 10 hours off in between I just don’t see it being SAFE……
They need to bring back the previous split sleeper rule, the new one is prohibitivly confusing and worthless. A 2 sleeper birth session with any session a minimum of 2 hours ie: 2/6, 3/5, 4/4, 5/3, or 6/2
If I was a driver, like some people here, I would advocate for ELD for DRIVERS!!!! because big companies exploit drivers. so, professional drivers need to get together and stop driving till you guys get better pay for the job you do.
Having said that, drivers you don’t know anything about being an O/O, otherwise you would not be driving for big companies. We, O/O, take care of our business and do the best we can to have the best safety record, otherwise we will end up paying so much for insurance or the FMCSA will closed our business. ELD will make O/O unsafe!!! The nature of this business is for disciplined, independent and responsible business owner, therefore ELD is not for us!
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The real world would have us all broke. All the regulations are on drivers not the companies. When asked what I do for work, I now say I save lives daily. I continue to be amazed at yhe ignorance of the driving public and dangerous lack of concern for safety. Yet we are treated by many as a nuisence. The FMCSR did a study years ago about the detrimental effcts from detention times. If you try to rest during those times you will be left sleeping in the dock unless they need the door….There are so many unrelistic expectatons for the so called sake of satety. Why is the driver responsible for things the shipper or receiver should be accountable? Reality is that Insurance companies rule the industry….We drivers now how dangerous our work is… More rules is not the answer…..Before ELD I saved a load of frozen beef when my reefer went down in the desert 10 hours from the closest TK…on a Sunday in July…I did what I needed to do to save the load but I cant do that today. So we are not just bending the rules to make money but many of us really are Professionals who care about life and death, care about the freight we haul, care about others. Those who dont are not professional….PS It is about time we are not treated like public enemy number one….
I cannot believe how many of you truck drivers believe that the eld’s are going to be effective. the only way I see them doing any good as get rid of the 14-hour rule. my God this is America we’re supposed to have freedom. I’m an owner operator and I’m using the eld’s but you have no Freedom you’re forced to work. if I wanted a factory job I would have done so. America wake up. there are just too many crybabies in the world anymore.
We should be pushing for less hours not more. Every other industry gets full wages at 40hrs per week why do we have to work 60 to 70 hours (not to mention all the extra hours we gave up when using paper logs) just to keep pace with everyone else’s yearly salaries. I want to work normal hours and earn even wages. The market is adjusting right now with huge rate hikes because so many trucks can no longer make pick ups and deliveries since we are all restricted with eld’s. How many free hours were we giving up simply because we had a false belief that we can make more if only we can get that next mile down the road…
We are comparing oranges with potatoes here.
DRIVERS , please take your low pay and exploitation issue to your company . Men up and from guy for better treatment and better wages .
Leave the ELD ISSUE for O/O.. POIDA is fighting for 100 % independent OWNER OPERATOR.
DO NOT GET CONFUSED. If you have your issues. Either you fight or you quit , or you stay in our side but stop believing something that you are not .
February 17 2018 snow walker made a real point. That is the way it was. Glad someone had the nerve to say it. My point is past needs to stay in the past. Shippers/receivers/dispatch need a ass whooping. They need to be held responsible for what they ask of as pro. Operators. We as drivers need to stand our ground. Eliminate the hour rule Canada or U.S. Not the cycle rule but the clock rule. Our day is not on a clock from start to finish. I may sleep 3 hrs during day waiting for load. That shouldn’t cut my time. I sleep not work. ELD
too. Then I got a leg to stand on when shipper bitches. In Canada I
work with rules. No matter what happens I hope they eliminate hour rule 14 & 16. Our job we are never gonna be payed on 40 he work week. Work more less pay. We choose it! So we deal with it or whine about it. I choose deal with it. There is me/my dog in truck. Get tired of people shut c.b off. Total silence. Perfect.