As ELD exemption requests continue piling up from individual companies, trade groups, and whole segments of the transportation industry, the FMCSA has made the unexpected decision to grant exemptions from two ELD provisions to all truckers.
The decision follows an exemption request from UPS from four provisions. Upon granting UPS’ request for two of the provisions, the FMCSA decided to open up that exemption to everyone else as well.
FMCSA will grant a 5-year waiver to all companies from having to log multiple yard moves in ELDs and will allow drivers using phone- or tablet-based ELDs to make changes to their duty status when they’re not in their vehicle.
Allowing drivers to make changes to duty status while away from their vehicle could ensure that so-called “driver-based ELDs” will record data only “when the driver is in a CMV and the engine is powered.”
These are relatively narrow quality-of-life exemptions, but both issues had been brought up multiple times as reasons that the FMCSA should not move forward with enforcing the ELD compliance date.
Source: FMCSA, truckinginfo, overdrive
If your gonna get a ELD check out the VLD ROAD LOG, it looks good. Printer built in, looks just like a LOG book page on the print out. Ooida suggested it while I was talking to them about something else. Also you don’t have to check in with anybody or pay monthly fees…. Look at it on you tube. I’ll post on there when I get mine…
And one of the most expensive with upfront cost
Go cheap!! This ELD mandate won’t last.
I did look at VDO for a long time. The problem is that they have not updated or changed anything including their website for years. They do not currently have every function that will be required once the mandate is in place. That is one of the big issues out there with the self certification. Even FMCSA have commented that just because a company is self certified a great majority of those companys will not be compliant. Beware when shopping for them. Look at what the equipment costs will be, make sure all functions of the elds will be there, and look at the monthly fees. You can go on the FMCSA website to get a list of what is required to be compliant. The other thing to be aware of is that many of the new companies supply the eld box but not the tablet you will need. Even more still double check on data too. The majority of the elds out there do not include the cell data in their plans so you end up with the monthly fee of the eld as well as a cell phone data plan. With that then the monthly fee is no where as low as they say.
We ended up going with teletrac naveman. NO upfront costs for hardware. They install everything. Data is included. And they have way more functions included than just about everyone. But we also have 5 trucks in 2 different states. The final thing is teletrac is guarented to be compliant which is in writing. So even if new rules happen they will update through the cloud. So this option worked best for us. Just make sure you do the research. The FMCSA has made it our responsibility to make sure these eld solutions will be compliant.
For O/O with one or 2 drivers another good option is JJ keller. They are based per person not per truck.
I bought that VDO logbook, and I had nothing but problems with it. I had to argue and argue with the company to get my money back because most of the time it would not work. I would rater pay 10 or even 20 for good costumer service which VDO has none after 5 pm EDT nor weekends. Good luck with that partner if it needs repair or even customer support.
My experience with them as well! I’m going with KeepTruckin when the time comes as I’m already on their free system and it’s great!
I went with Big Road, looks like a log book, good customer service, and it cost me $234 total for the year. I’m a one truck oo.
Switchboard is like BigRoad, but $250 only once with no monthly fee
ONE20 is cheaper and easier.
You mean VDO Road Log? I have one a so far it’s very complicated and doesn’t work very well! You need a computer to log in and to print your logs. The built in printer is very expensive to use as the paper roll costs $7 and isn’t very big!
Mine won’t print the locations on the log. VDO knows about this issue but so far hasn’t sent me the update to fix it. Other then the complications it’s OK. No monthly fees, and doesn’t require data from a cell tower to work.
We have VDO, being using it since March to get familiar with it. We have had none of the problems your having. We got a update a month ago, and it’s very easy to use! As far as your paper and printer, you only use it when you have been stopped! The benefits with this device is the best and yes, it cost upfront but then you’re done paying for it no monthly fees or Data usage . I wouldn’t want to hand my cell phone out the window to a cop, And have someone text me and have a cop going through my phone! I could be wrong but, I look for cell phone and tablets to not be allowed after a few get dropped and law-enforcement has to replace those devices !
Id like to request an exemption from the plethora of regulations commercial drivers must comply with. Especially a “mandatory” ELD requirement. Make the use of an ELD voluntary. It seems to me that each carrier would want, at a minimum, the simplified, and certainly easier to read, electronic version of a drivers logbook. Making it mandatory only reenforces the notion of Govt over-reach.
Regulate and restrict us, well…give us a fair wage!
what is fair and just who gets to decide what fair is? fair for me isnt fair for you.
Do you mean to say that being paid by the mile and still having to be
on the clock is fair?
40 cpm at 2500 miles average per week and 168 hours on duty
(the clock on the ELD ,AND the paper log are always running)
even in the sleeper and off duty. You are Always responsible for the load
no matter what, truck and trailer too.
So that 40 cpm becomes 1,000 a week minus taxes ans expenses.
Let’s say 600.00 dollars take home.
600 divided by 168 hours on duty(you weren’t home with your family
were you?) equals 3.57 an hour pay! Remember, you work on the
Congressional (commerce clause of the Constitution) mandated,
DOT enforced time clock called a log book.
10.00 an hour at 168 hours a week is 1,680 dollars.
We ,who are not O/O, should be getting paid for 168 hours a week
and well above 1/2 of minimum wage, as we deliver a critical service
to keep our country running.
Trucks move everything.
Maybe you should have ambition in life and become an O/O and stop being a slave to a company making shitty paychecks why the heck are you wasting your time making less than 1500 a week TAKE HOME?
What a waste of a CDL you mega company drivers are.
The problem is the megacarriers WANT to use these devices to track their thousands of drivers. Problem is it puts them at a disadvantage with smaller carriers who don’t use them. The megacarriers want a level playing field so they have the ATA push this narrative that ELOGs will make our roads safer for all. It’s all in the name of safety according to them, but in reality it’s all in the name of a level playing field.
You’re right, Bill. (I work for one of the “megacarriers”)
Remember, when government spouts “safety”, they really mean control. If we were free, we wouldn’t be required to be “safe”.
Good point. I never thought of it in those terms. Makes alot of sense.
Megacarriers don’t want to level the playing field. They want it fully tilted in their favor. A megaC can haul freight at a fraction of the cost an o/o does bc there revenue is based on volume not individual loads.
ELD’s are unfair to independent drivers
you mean control of the trucking industry, no competition, controlled rates, brokers-shippers-receivers-consumers who get the benefits
and not truckers who will work for nothing.
Wake Up the Goverment just wants to where all these Killers And Drug Dealing Gangs are moving bodys and Drugs up and down Our great Interstate Systems
Amen
ELDs change only one thing about logs – who controls them. Drivers are still responsible, but carriers have control.
At it’s core, any log system which allows the truck to make status changes without involving the driver, is a truck log, not a driver log. Any system which allows someone to make log edits from a desk, is a carrier log, not a driver log. It is the driver who must ultimately verify (sign) and bear legal responsibility for the log, and the log is intended to track the activity of the driver, not the truck or someone sitting at a desk. If the driver does not have full, complete, detailed, and final control over the contents of his log, then he is incapable of bearing responsibility for it. Hardware malfunctions, log departmental “errors”, theft, user errors in operating the technology, data corruption, software bugs, hacker intrusions, and probably half a dozen things I haven’t even thought of, can all put the driver in the position of being required to sign an inaccurate log, in order to comply with the requirement that all previous days’ logs be signed – and none of them were similarly problematic under paper logs, held in the drivers’ possession.
It is all about taking control away from the drivers who remain legally responsible, and handing that control to people who are not responsible.
It’s as ridiculous as holding a parent to be responsible for the behavior of their child, after removing disciplinary action from the parents’ behavior modification arsenal, or expecting a military force to protect a civilian group, without it’s munitions. We would never be that stupid… would we?
To be fair, the carriers bear responsibility for inaccurate or unlawful logs as well.
I know your frustration, though.
I’ve had logs edited DAYS after the fact, putting me in violation without me knowing.
You have your hours available, why would you be in violation? You know when you’re in violation come on!
No they do NOT! It is the LEGAL responsibility of the driver and the driver ALONE! Just like the responsibility of the driver for all HAZMAT loads! The trucking company, the shipper nor the manufacturer of the material are NOT responsible for the safe transport of that material! The responsibility fall SOLELY on the driver!
You guys kidding me, the carrier is ultimately responsible for everything the drivers do or dont do.
Absolutely a fact.
Why are you surprised. You know immediately when you have violated your HOS. Quit your whinning.
if you think that the driver does not bear full responsibility for his/her
log, your are mistaken. CSA places the carrier 2nd in line, i.e, recording
violation only two years on the carrier record, and THREE years on the
driver. At that Level one inspection, driver, you take the hit for the OOS
logbook violation first!
I have worked for a short period for carriers who “adjust the electronic
log/or add the 5th personal driving line” so they can take advantage of the driver to make a load pick up or delivery.
You are the captain of the ship!
Well said and very true. I think the people making these mandates need to live the life of a trucker to know how dumb the mandates are. It’s like having a dispatcher telling a driver how to do their job when they have never driven themselves so they have no clue what the job entails. ( fuel time, unload/reload time, mandatory breaks, unexpected delays)
@Mr. Yowler
Excellent comment, sir!
You got it brother.
Exactly!!
Excellent statement.
Excellent Point
I don’t know who you are but your the first person I have ever heard that put everything in it’s proper context my hat is off to you.now if you could get the political system to adhere to your logic we would all be indebted to you
Its communistic! Its not fair!! Drivers are the ones who pay the log violations!
Rediculous!!!!!
Absolutely! Hope you don’t mind … m sharing this on FB.
Yes, we have been that stupid, especially when we allow the government to control our every move with those EL’s. Reminds me of ‘Nam when we were controlled by politicians and not allowed to do our jobs when it was necessary. No fire zones is a good example. It is getting worse week by week. I say get rid of the ELs and allow drivers to do their jobs without the government in our back pockets watching our every move. Just left a company that had cameras not only on the road but on the driver recording every move. Most driver’s know when to pull over and take a break and sleep for twenty to fifty minutes instead of falling asleep and killing someone or themselves. It is only for safety, so they say. Anything for the sake of allowing someone behind a desk to make a few million dollars for an invention under the guise of safety that all drivers must be controlled. You can’t even spit or take a piss in heavy city traffic with a camera recording you. And
well said!
It all comes down to trust. ” Do you trust your drivers to do the right thing?” If yes, why elogs? If no, why did you hire them in the first place?
Only thing is that this has nothing to do with trust between company and driver. I would venture to say that a lot of companies out there could not care less if a driver wanted to run over (in fact they would welcome it, as long as they aren’t at risk of getting in trouble). It was this practice that led ELD’s laws put in place now.
Well said and very true. I think the people making these mandates need to live the life of a trucker to know how dumb the mandates are. It’s like having a dispatcher telling a driver how to do their job when they have never driven themselves so they have no clue what the job entails. ( fuel time, unload/reload time, mandatory breaks, unexpected delays)
This is just gonna make a big mess on the roads. Talking about the safety? Cmon now, as of now you cant even find a spot on truck stop or rest area pass 7-8 pm. Imagine that morning jam, and you explain to me how safe that is. What about delays? I was on the I-69 last week in IN sitting 3 hours whitout moving do to accident. How was i suppose to log that? Where to go? This is completely nonsense and this big companies can suck it BIG. Only thin left for them to do is puy a chip in our asses and begin to program. We are not machines, we are humans.
You were sitting in your drivers seat on an interstate you log DRIVING does not matter if you are sitting in traffic or physically moving you just burned 3 hours of drive time so get used to it.
Lets not forget traffic!!
^^^ So much THIS. ^^^
If the ATA was pushing. E-logs to “Level the playing field” then they need to keep pushing. As a small owner operator I want to purchase fuel, tires, insurance, trucks, trailers, etc. At FLEET PRICE!
Well said Driver! JUST A SMALL OWNER OPP. TRYING TO FEED MY FAMLY AND YPURS MR CONGRESS – WOMAN
Please GOD help me get out of this industry… “Over Ruled Over Regulated and Under Paid…!!!@ After 35 Years of Trucking… I have had enough…
My trucker is planning to get out of the business after only 16 years, going into full time farming (out of one pot, into another lol). 35 years… wow, that’s a long time. I hope your prayers are answered!
Trucking industry is a joke. 30yrs of my life down the drain. Most of everyone for elogs,not everyone but most. Have not been in the industry for to long. I look at it this way. Stopping to use the rest room,get a cup a coffee. Knowlonger the freedom to just stop and grab that coffee or take a crap. Your moreless paying for that bathroom trip. Because time is ticking. How would these government nazis like to be charged for every pee or poop they take. We are! Theres always been a problem with drivers hygiene. Well, its going to get worse.lol. And I gave the elogs a fair try. I had the same runs for years. With all the crap, i lost a run. That costed me 1200-1300 a week per truck. Im not talking about driving around the clock. Im talking sitting at a dock,I slept. I was able to do that and show it on paper logs. Now its still goes against my 14hrs. And, sorry. But, i can only sleep when i need to.not when somebody that doesnt even no me. tells me its time for bed. im a big boy now. So, i jibber jabbered enough. God Bless you drivers. Stay safe. Viking sailed his last ship.
I got out last year in preparation for the elogs mandate among other driver restrictions. I am however in favor of elogs only if the driver can make the same money if they were using paper logs. I know that’s not going to happen so I went to work at McDonalds.
The above comment about control is one of the best arguments I’ve read yet. I would like to add this aspect; last study I saw 8 hours of a total truck shutdown, it would take 8 months for our country to recover. Now with e logs, and for a best guesstimate, 40% of trucks are going to be shutdown for 10 hours every single day, then another 40% will be shutdown when the first set come back on duty. Therefore, has our beloved government studied how badly this scenario, even at lower percentages, will hurt our eceonmy? Or did those good for nothing idiots in ties not happen to consider the financial downside, because every new regulation or law has at least one downside.
For every action there’s a reaction
The only thing they have to do its “less hours on sleeper berth o off duty from 10 to 7 hours (enough time to sleep, I can sleep more than 7 hour in my truck….doctors recoment 6-8 hrs) and 13 hours to driving with break time of 30 minutes at 8 hours on duty…..the rest of the time will be on duty no driving for load, fueling, etc etc.
Mr..Yowler said it best. Good job on thinking that through.
Electronic =550-600 or so miles a day only!
Paper=650-700 or so miles a day only!
This IS the biggest difference between these two ways of Logs!! Do the math!! Unless paid Salary or even Hourly, everyone knows we can safely drive only 7,8,or 9 Hours in a day realistically!! Therefore, if not paid in either of these two ways! Electronic Logs COST ME MONEY!!! NOT ONLY FOR INSTALLATION, BUT EVERYDAY!!! Even getting paid by load (although, you can work it out, so not as much! But E-Logs STILL COST!!!) or by the Mile, (Especially, by the Mile!) Electronic Logs COST ME MONEY & EAT INTO MY PROFITS!!! The only way & Owner/Operator can make money, is to raise our rates!!! We do that, the Big Companies cut us out of the Market & put Us out of business!!!!! So ONCE AGAIN, this IS JUST ANOTHER WAY, TO HURT THE “LITTLE GUY”!!!! Think about it!!!!!
I call bulls**t! I run elogs, with my carrier. I had 659 log miles with 2 drops 3 days ago in In., Mi., and Oh. And my truck is set at 66. I had the fast truck that trip. We also slip seat. Do I like elogs? Nope. I figure 25+ years of drivin, I know how to run the truck and a log book. But it is what it is.
That’s because you don’t fool around out here you get the job done….You definitely gotta stay right with it and out the truck stop
If they start to regulate all trucks to go at one speed: 62 or 65 or 68, then let’s all drive side-by-side on the freeways at those speeds and see what happens when the four wheelers and others can’t pass us due to government regulated speed on all trucks. What a hoot that would be, hey? RV’s and four wheelers behind a hundred plus trucks or even more going down the highways at the same speed? Seen it already in NE; KS; CO; AZ and other states with governed trucks. Frustrating for everyone. What say you?
As owner operator after install the ELD going to reduce hours then we must rise the load rates!
ELD’s do not cost you anything. You made the decision to run by the mile/ percentage and it is your own fault you are making half for the 24×7 you are responsible for the equipment/load. I think ELD’s are the only thing left that are going to make you drivers realize you are getting robbed out there. No one should have to break the law to earn a living. Stop the insanity already!
Not even that, the drivers doing east coast don’t reach even 400 miles a day
Then don’t run the northeast.
I never have because I haven’t lost any thing up thar!
I only run SouthEast to South West
A lot of days I run over 700 miles a day on elogs,So think again .Kevin.
where is your work area
that you can get 700 e-log mi/day
so youre saying that elogs keeps your production legit?
You work harder,longer. You give up sleep because shippers ,and receivers take to long to do their job,The real problem is not a device,to make you work less,and not to give away your Labor,sleep,.free time.The answer is higher rates.Which by the way we won’t get if we continue to give our time labor and sleep away for free!!!
People on ELD are more frustrated and ready to fight at fuel line or like wise delays, how could such ELD System could be good for road safety where driver getting more mad yelling “I AM ON E LOG” my time running out let me fuel first, or hurry up and ready to fight. This scenario tells how good they will be behind wheels! Or it is just Insurence pushing FMCSA to happen more accidents over the road and they could increase Insurences?
This Eld mess is a bunch of BS, THESE COMPANIES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY the drivers much more money, their are going to be plenty of late loads being delivered.
I wonder who ever remembers why the log book was introduced
It was to protect the driver…
Now it’s to protect everyone else from the driver…
I’ll never let it control me…
42 years experience. No tickets no accidents
Oh yeah that will help a bunch ..
The lack of regulations at the cause of driver fatigue is the problem.
driver fatigue is caused by the government requiring you to stop and rest when you are not tired, therefore the driver stops when required but doesnt sleep and then has to drive tired to get the load delivered. Drivers should be able to drive until they are tired and then rest and get their 8 hours of sleep. This way drivers are driving when they are at their best and it ends driver fatigue. The government needs to send those making the rules on the road with real drivers so they can assess the real life of a driver and then they will realize the craziness of this rule and how it is contributing to driver fatigue
that,s why the country is short 50,000 driver,s i,ve been driving since 1984 and the change is totally for the the wrong reason,s 14 hour rule any delay,s you have to log waiting on unloading or loading of your trailer eat.s up all your time hope this will not hold up thing ever thing you have in this world came on a truck at on time or an other but we alway,s get the raw deal that,s why we short driver.s plus alway,s gone from our home (we the willing are lead by the unknowing are doing the inpossible for the ungratefull that a fact jack..
Keep Truckin logs, check em out. Been using it over 2 years now. The best out there!!
I heard the Switchboard one is pretty good too
I finally talked my co into using KT, they had been using Fleetmatics garbage. KT is much easier to use and has been around long enough to work out the bugs.
I guess all the products will be more expensive drivers will be spending more hrs on the trips longer deliveries specialywith multiple drops so making less per hr
Simple calculations .how much do you make per hr? Did you notice with the ruls they force you to drive 11 hrs if you brake the cycle you lost
Hrs Its slowing economy down
If you make 700 mls on paper and 500mls on EL it’s big different to your by the HR pay it’s $100 per day driver will loose
Now do you count your hrs off duty by the 1hr? You are out of your house seating in your cage truck 10 hrs off must do it when citydriver is seating if front of his at home tv
Calculate that how much you really paid by the hr.
The American Trucking Association says the trucking industry is a $726.4 billion industry with 10 million employees. At a 40% labor cost each individual employee should make some $29 million per year.
Elogs is just another example of labor exploitation designed by crooks to justify piracy.
I’m 65 years old, have saved enough money by not buying crap over the years to retire.
Under the current “plucking ” of driver wages it is impossible for anyone to duplicate what I did.
I’m sorry for drivers stuck in this industry.
All I can say to them is: I wish you all the best.
No elogs for me was on them before but never again most of these idiots on here that say they like elogs we’re trained on elogs therefore they have no idea how less stressful it is on elogs,if I need to move they have no idea how it’s so much less bs you have to deal with 😀
WRONG No stress worried about the adjustments looking legal. No math errors. No BS from dispatch.
You must be one of those elogs lovers
Don’t waste ur breath on the modern dayers,johnny they ve been out here 2 monthes,and know every thing
Exactly
The industry has gone to shit. The pay has dropped to shit and the rules have gotten worst. Smh I don’t get how a bunch of folks behind desks can regulate something they can’t fully understand. What happen to truckers being the back bone of this country. You all want your freight , but no one wants to pay anything. As a driver I am almost considering retiring from this business after 14 years . This ELD thing is just another rock being thrown at truckers trying to provide for there families. CSA ,PSP, and ELD welcome to the new age of trucking. In about ten years there will be so many regulations the robots will be doing our jobs.
My biggest issue with elogs is being forced to drive when I’m tired and being forced into heavy traffic not being able to wait it out…I’m all for elogs but the fact that once it starts it doesn’t stop is the problem. Allow us the ability to stop the 14 and I’ll be ok with it simple.
Just another example of an over regulated antiqueted industry that still pays it’s workers pennies per mile instead of hourly like everyone else while they’re working 70hrs.weekly & NO overtime & everyone else works 40hrs. weekly!! And you wonder why there’s driver shortage?? Figure it out Einstein!!💯
We just switched to the “ZONAR” tablet eld……as i expected its about as reliable as a cell phone. 2 malfunctions in the first week put me in violation sitting on side of freeway waiting for our safety dept To fix the issue…
I used to work for a LTL freight expeditor.
I would often PTI and drive multiple trucks in a day (yes, even breaking the 100 mile local limit with 2 trucks), or be on duty for hours either moving several trucks around or without touching a single truck.
I would log it all on a paper log quite easily. I don’t know how you would log that with ELD.
What’s your guys on the most driver friendly ELD unit.
I’m surprised how many companies are charging up front costs for tablets, ($300+ and a lot more with cases and such)
Cellular providers are giving out tablets for free with data plans (roughly $15 a month for both tablet and usually at least 2gbs of data if not unlimited)
You can buy the Ram Mount Intelliskin or GPS lockbox mounting kits with built in chargers for tablet for roughyl $150
And use an App like Big Road/Keep Trucking for about $20/month.
So you’d be in up front around $150 and monthly be paying $30. I’ve been doing tons of research on all these units and all seem to have some sort of problem. And found that this may be the most cost effective method in getting started if you don’t need all the extra functions that some of these companies provide
Ohhhh its only money.. and trucking companys have tons of it..since about 2000… the price of a new truck has doubled in price… all from government regulations..thats in 17 years..and now more money that you have to cough up for ELD. If the government wants all of this crap in your business…then they should HAVE TO FUND IT THEMSELVES…
Trucking companies don’t worry about money anymore because they get they’re tax breaks from big brother for training all these idiots they’re putting in their trucks
Walmart, swift, werner, snider and a couple more big companies are the ones who joined in alliance and even pushed for this garbage to FMSCA to make it law.. that way they can force people put of business and keep hauling cheap .78 mile freight with their robotic steering wheel holders while everybody else struggles. They invested millions of dollars lining the pockets of the FMSCA and government to get this passed and even tried suing oiida for constantly trying to appeal the ELD mandate time after time and also buying off judges to deny the appeals.. everytime you see one of these trucks on the road or in a truckstop, you should take a flammable piss on the wheels if you know what I mean, and fire up a cigarette very close to them..
Name 2 groups of people who will be electronically monitored 24/7/365.
1.Convicted criminals wearing ankle monitors as a part of their sentence.
2.Commercial Truckdrivers.
Elogs make you do it legal, paper logs let you make it look legal. Nuff said.
More government over regulation.
It’s radiculous that in one article we have automated truck technology said to be eliminating the need for humans in the near future and the next article talks about long term electronic hrs of service regulation for truckers.It’s no wonder this industry is in such shambles.How does this industry expect to recruit anybody,especially young people, with these sorts of mixed signals?
Elogs locks a driver to the wheel for 7.75 hrs. Then a 30min break then 3.25hrs. To maximizes miles driven per day. So they can better add their profits earlier..and if you don,t drive 600 aday. Your fired. No safety whats so ever. Its efficiency.
Well I am on e logs with my company but I can say this I don’t have to worry about them calling me wondering what I am doing they don’t bother me at all if I want to stop and get a nap in that is ok they let me set my Owen ETA and I do pretty good with my company but I am NOT backup at a dock waiting to load or unload as soon as I get to my stops I am not there more than 15 to 30 minutes and yes I pull a flatbed no tarps no Chan’s no binders I load strap and go lol
No ELD’s just more Government seeking control of our jobs. If ELD’s are mandated then pay us hourly rate $26.00 a hour
This is a good thing. I’ve ran with Elogs for many years. Just have to learn how to run em. I couldn’t count the times I’ve seen drivers keep up with me my dad and I as we ran team. Kinda rediculous. See there is a bigger tattle tell than elogs that nobody is talking about. That is your cell phone. If you get into a wreck or well anything they can look at your cell phone records and determine if log book match’s it. And with elogs the new thing with wrecks is they check to see if you were off your phone during your 10 hr break.
Elogs aren’t bad at all. Like I said your cell phone is a big tattle tell. Most of the drivers I seen protesting are drivers working for companies or independent who run illegal. Suck it up and get with the program. Wanna protest? Protest how the government doesn’t recognize our job as a skilled labor or how we don’t have enough parking. Protest the speed limiters or how shipper and receivers don’t allow parking. Tons of more important stuff to protest and get upset about. One I can’t stsnd is how our government gives grants to foreigners to start companies and they run the price of freight down. I couldn’t count the number of times in California were a foreigner would ask what I’m runnning the rate of something and if I tell them they look shocked and then I’m shocked when they tell me what they charge.
Just a lot more to be upset about than an Elog.
STRIKE! STRIKE! December 17th 2017! Demand from your companies 65 cents a mile plus full free medical and dental for u and your family plus pension or profit sharing. Truck driver,s need another ” jimmy Hoffa” type union!
Most fmcsa officials that sit on the board there are c.e.o,s from the giant drop and hook companies..they are greedy and want to take over all the trucking in the usa..they want to do away with all owner operators and small fleets..they don’t believe that America should stay ” the land of opportunity for all” they want it all for themselves ..the new rules that will be coming along with the e.l.d.s will be devastating to the refrigerated trucking industry and drivers and owner operators..wait and see!
an exemption for work being done, it just proves who you are and who you know.
The real issue with ELD’s? You are making me prove my innocence, This country was founded on innocent until proven guilty- it is even in our founding documents- and elogs turn that 180 out of wack.
Remember- elogs are nothing to do with safety- they are the 2nd step in a 4 step process to tax every vehicle on the road by the mile at the federal level
If a company/driver has had issues with logbook violations- I see no problem with them, however, a company/driver that has never had a violation should not be mandated to use them
What’s next? Chip people to control them. Okay owner operators rates going to have to triple, we not going to loose income on ELog because of loading/unloading and traffic delay. My advice don’t take cheap loads. They will notice truck shortage very soon, and people will get desperate for food and gas.
Wheres the mandates for shippers and receivers?? Or do they just get to keep screwing drivers
Change the law to drive 11 sleep 10 and you have 24 hours to do it in!
I could care less I will not be subject to all the ELD’s stand for’I thought this blog was about exceptions not this bumbling BS’ the only exception once again are for big carriers, not OOp’s like me’
I’m just &R%$^$%^$^ sick of it already stop putting a spin on everything.
Every last one of these comments just about are repeating the same thing. I bet all of you elected Donald Trump to office thinking that this mandate was going to get repealed. What happens when December 18th comes and it goes into effect? You’re going to turn against Trump then? Anyway, we kind of did this to ourselves. We had the freedom, but there were a few idiots out there that abused the freedom, and I guarantee you that they’re not rich. a few people got killed and that justify the government into having to mandate are driving time. Truckers don’t be mad at the government we all need to be mad at ourselves. If we cheated properly, this wouldn’t be happening. It’s one thing to borrow an hour or two hours to get somewhere, but when you’re running two log books and driving non-stop on very little sleep?! Then you wonder why the government stepped in and handled things. Bill Clinton says Freedom isn’t about doing what you want to do but doing what you should do, and when that freedom gets abused authorities have to get in there and modify your freedoms. We did this to ourselves so we might as well stop fussing and get with the program. I’ve done paper logs and I’ve done electronic logs. You can still make your money either way. If you get out here and work and figure out how to utilize your time properly, then you’ll make money. Here’s a suggestion how about running farther Into the night?
I sold my junk , piss on em , they can have it ! The money I received from the sale , plus the money I’m saving in fuel , taxes , insurance , workman’s comp , permits , licenses , tags, inspections ,fines, tickets , court , attorneys and Drs is more than enough to retire comfortably and draw disability from the government now that I’m certified unaccountable for my actions . Wooo hoo yeehaaa truck em up mud ducks. Plus my son just opened an E-log sales and installation co. Hee hee adapt n over-come-‘on .whoop whoop .Yeah call me swamprat im steppin .
Every O/O should go buy a 1999 or older truck…and screw these mandates
Oh my god!!! I have seen many changes in the industry over the past 37 yrs, BUT, I’ve seen it from a different prospective though… from the other side of the phone, in a desk position, directing and helping drivers. I remember when the NEW QUALCOM was the eye in the sky, big brother, and the NEW way to regulate us (drivers). Today, that is one of the first thing drivers ask… do you have QC. Self regulation has not worked. Try to sell that to the families of the victims of the accident in Ca, where the driver of the truck, who had only slept 4 hours in 24 and fell asleep, and who multiple LOGBOOK violations, or the bus drive’s (that hit him from behind) family that was killed in the same accident. I don’t want this ELD thing to happen either, but due to some irresponsible people, it’s going to. Our drivers run 550-650 a day (no N. E) miles a day and most are OO/LO and they earn a good living. Their problems are the same as your. Rolling roadblocks, strikes, it does not work, it’s already happened, and the industry is where it is. EDUCATION in technology is where it’s heading, learning how it works, and how to use that technology to your advantage is the key to succeeding in this industry today. I’m 60 years old, and I’m having to adjust to it too, and it’s challenging, BUT if I can do it… so can you. GOOD LUCK, some of you are obviously are going to need it.
Still not enough. Let the xxxx sit on their docks.
Teletrac These elds suck I took one hour off duty then went to sleep berth for 9 hours and my clock hasn’t reset. They always malfunction paper was so much easier r.i.p paper logs