How to correct ignorance to HOS rules.

This is what pops up when I select sleeper berth on my eld... From a highly reputable eld manufacture as well...




So obviously sleeper berth is ok while being loaded/unloaded... I have also listened to radio interviews with FMCSA officials that have stated the same, and also that sitting in the drivers seat while being loaded/unloaded can legally be logged as Off-Duty.

 

Legally loggs look good... As far as your not being allowed to go off duty at all in your 11/14... Currently you are legally REQUIRED to go Off-Duty for at least 30 minutes for every 8 hours of On-Duty/Driving.

 

Only if you want to Drive after the 8 hour mark. You see what their intention is-- to make trucking an 8 hour job.

 

The only thing to be careful of here is the 14 hr rule still applies. For example if you start at 6 am and during the day you have 6 hrs off duty at 8pm you must park.

 

hey so i know this thread is old but good info on here, i recently leased on with a company that has some issues being clear on how to and when to use pc. like you have to call in advance if you need to use pc, but if its what gets you home from whatever job we're working on its a-ok. my question is about the 5th line wait time being oil and gas. how does this work? i was told that after 2 hours of wait time that it wouldn't let count against your 14? i have a hard time believing this to be true. example pull onto location 10 hrs into your day, wait 3 hours to unload, and i was told that i would then have 5 hours left on my duty cycle... seems pretty far fetched to me. any help answers would be appreciated. strictly oil and gas, pulling pneumatics dedicated to frac sand only

 

Nope it is true... But it has nothung to do with PC. It is hiw the split sleeper berth works now. There are several threads on here that explain it. Just search for split sleeper.

 

Oilfield wait time is different. Waiting actually pauses the clock. Straight up pauses it. It's not like going off duty, where the clock keeps ticking until you ten out. Wait time pauses the clock, and it resumes where it left off when you go back on duty. It also allows you to ten out, and 24 out while waiting. (oilfield doesn't have the retarded 34-hour BS)

It sounds like the person is conflating wait time with split-sleeper. There is no minimum for wait time. It starts immediately.

You can only use wait time if you're hauling/working under oilfield HOS.

 

Yo do not need written permission to go off duty.
Nasty stuff going into big chem plants, customer used to have the driver position the unit and give them the keys before taking them to the 'driver's room' which had a bank of pay phones and guys used to call in to log off.

Had a guy spend 24 hours inside a DuPont plant cause the pump broke....first shut down, then the operator had to round up the electrician to disconnect, then a plumber to disconnect the plumbing, then the mechanic to un-mount the old pump and send an order in for a replacement.

Replacement arived during the next shift and waited for a mechanic, then a plumber and then an electrician and, sometine in the next shift an operator to open the valves and start the pump.

He was allowed to log the driver room hours off duty...I think a super took him to the cafeteria N stuff, this guy used to deliver 3 times a week.

 

Question 2: What conditions must be met for a Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) driver to record meal and other routine stops made during a work shift as off-duty time?

Guidance:

Drivers may record meal and other routine stops, including a rest break of at least 30 minutes intended to satisfy 49 CFR 395.3(a)(3)(ii), as off-duty time provided:

1. The driver is relieved of all duty and responsibility for the care and custody of the vehicle, its accessories, and any cargo or passengers it may be carrying.

2. During the stop, and for the duration of the stop, the driver must be at liberty to pursue activities of his/her own choosing.

FR 78 41853, July 12, 2013]



Question 3: A driver has been given written permission by his/her employer to record meal and other routine stops made during a tour of duty as off-duty time. Is the driver required to record such time as off-duty, or is it the driver’s decision whether such time is recorded as off-duty?

Guidance: It is the employer’s choice whether the driver shall record stops made during a tour of duty as off-duty time. However, employers may permit drivers to make the decision as to how the time will be recorded.

 

Where does that say written permission is required instead of simply optional?