$100,000+.....Company Driver

ElmerFudpucker · Sep 7, 2024

10,400 for over 3,000 miles to Miami is nothing to write home about. Wonder what next weeks gross numbers were?

Someguywithquestions · Sep 7, 2024

Company name and location.
Dont want to dox myself and i work for a cult like company where not singing the praises of the company gets management really, really mad. Northwest but not in a major city like seattle or portland.
Type of work.
LTL. Im just a lowly whipping boy. I do P&D, Dock, Linehaul, cleaning, sweeping, etc. Whatever my several bosses tell me to.
Required qualifications.
Class A, doubles/triples, hazmat, tanker. Nearly spotless record, no recorded accidents in past 3 years. No crap on MVR.
Typical work day.
Go to sleep around 0000-0130, usually get called around 0530-0700 to tell me my start time for the day. Often 0900-1000. Drive an hour into work, find truck assuming it isnt taken or broken, get trailer/trailers, put pallet jack in them, frantically run around town throwing #### off the trailer as fast as possible, sometimes 3-4 trailers a day. All local city driving, maybe 10 minutes between stops at the most. Get yelled and cussed at by miserable old ####tards at half of the stops. Usually 1-2 times a week someone wants to fight like this is some cowboy bar. Typically done with the troglodytes by 1600-1800. Work dock from that time until 2130-2300 usually. Drive an hour back home. Get another 5-6 hours of sleep. Weekends i get a typically 10-12 hour linehaul run. Squeeze in a 34 usually. Management is pushing for me to run recaps though and start working 7 days a week.
Schedule.
Well, just see above.
Benefits.
Healthcare is cheap, never used it, medical dental vision etc. 2 weeks PTO a year. Thats sick and vacation together. Taking "sick time" is dubious at best. Prepare to be on the ####list of management for 2 weeks if you do. Vacation needs to be put in for the year in january. Management wants vacation taken in 1 week blocks and gets pissy if you dont give 2-3 months for them to "plan" around it.
How do you like your job?
I ####ing hate it. Trucking has sucked the soul out of me. Im making well over 100k a year. Probably closing in on 130k. But im burning down 65-70 hours a week. 2 hours commute each day. No life, no hobbies, no friends, no girl, no pets, nothing but work. Big corporate micromanaging and pissed off customer attitudes and #### nanny equipment.

I think another 5-10 years of this ######## is going to end up with me jumping off a cliff. #### trucking and this god forsaken industry. Each new trucking job makes me more money than the last but makes my life more even awful. I tell everyone that the future of the trucking industry is more and more bleak. It aint going to get better. Its been getting worse and worse for 40 years. I advise everyone to stay away. I wasted years getting to the golden gates of 100k+ LTL and its the worst my life has ever been. At least ill be able to buy a gold plated rope to hang myself with

Dave_in_AZ · Sep 13, 2024

Lamborghini Owner Op said: ↑

After a year of working for Schaffer and Crete combined, I feel that I have gathered enough evidence to give an honest review.

My first paycheck from Crete was $471.76 and my second was $635.81.

They told me I was enrolled in Per Diem pay from the start so by the time I found out I was not I had already lost much due to increased taxable income. Compared to orientation at Schaffer I was never given the option to opt out of 401k deductions at Crete and had to have that fixed months later when I discovered it.

My objective findings show that my asset manager was subpar. The evidence tells the story in which my first five paychecks were severely anemic and I did not have enough miles to qualify for the quarterly productivity bonus.

My next asset manager will be the straw that broke the camel’s back and my reason to resign and no longer desire to buy a truck from Crete and continue on as an owner operator for Schaffer.

From the beginning with my first asset manager, when I had a pick up after a delivery in CA and the fuel solution was to fill before picking up the next load reported by dispatch to be over 40,000 lbs.

In the past I've been told not to pick up a load over 40,000 lbs. with more than a half tank of fuel.

After my previous delivery, I didn't have enough time to make it to pick up my next load if I would have stopped to fuel so I went straight to pick up, running out of hours of service at the shipper before shutting down at the closest safe haven.

After explaining the situation to my asset manager and asking nicely if I could fuel where I shut down I was given a "SMART AS" answer "WE DON'T GET TO HAND PICK WHERE WE FUEL" then was instructed by my asset manager to back track 15 MILES to fuel wasting fuel and precious time as being a truck driver sometime it can feel like you are constantly racing the clock to make on time delivery.

That incident from the very beginning set the tone and foreshadowed what was yet to come consisting of a menagerie of depressing, unproductive, mediocre loads, with many trailer moves in between resulting in an unrewarding exhausting depressing decrease in overall mileage not being able to make the first productivity bonus and barely qualifying for the second productivity bonus with much unfilled earning potential left.

It would appear that changing asset managers would be the simple solution but I've learned that the hard way through experience with four different asset managers from Shaffer and Crete combined in that they are all cut from the same piece of cloth. The problem extends from all the asset managers to all the load planners having a very similar paradigm.

Crete looks for reasons to punish you and not pay you a bonus as another driver told me his story of how he made a U-turn in a bobtail and hasn't received a bonus for the two years he's been there. Crete is the only company in existence that makes you pay for Per Diem by decreasing your cents per mile by one cent, kind of like Judas sold the location of Jesus to be crucified for a few pieces of silver.

All I can do is ask myself what am I supposed to learn from this? What do I do now? I have learned that I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND TO MY WORST ENEMY TO WORK FOR SCHAFFER OR CRETE.

When I started with Crete I wanted to buy a truck from Crete and work for Schaffer as an owner operator. Experience has taught me that nothing could be more miserable.

While I was having my bunk heater repaired at the Salt Lake Shop, I was talking to other drivers in the driver's lounge about quitting Schaffer since they made you take a mandatory 10 hour break at the shipper. Schaffer is the only place I've ever worked as a company driver which issued a mandatory 10 hour break at the shipper with no paid detention.

Schaffer sent to pick up beef loads at JBS in Greely, CO and JBS reported that I could take my break at the C-Mart nearby or their hide plant which is inhumane in itself being a gravel lot that smells like manure and has no bathrooms.

I first went to the C-Mart only to be greeted by a middle easterner asking for money for parking and informing me they close at 11pm and open back up at 6am so I left and went to the JBS hide plant to take my mandatory 10 hour break at the shipper.

The other drivers were appalled after hearing my story and said that was kidnapping which I agree especially if you’re not being paid detention.

When I worked for Schaffer, on one occasion I was having service done on my tractor at the terminal. While at the terminal I talked to another driver that has been with the company for 3 years that expressed her dismay, saying in the beginning they gave her a lot of miles but then eventually gave her less and less miles and many shag loads. She said they were always hiring new drivers and gave all the long loads to the new drivers.

My second dispatcher at Schaffer would be my death sentence causing me to resign. My weekly paycheck to hit a rock bottom of $800 and with only nine months experience she could not get me home on time.

I left and after a while Schaffer told me to come back so I decided to come back and give Crete a try thinking it may be better. I had such high hopes to come back and work for Crete but that proved to be otherwise.

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The OM and I are shocked and appalled.

Rolling 50's · Sep 13, 2024

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Rolling 50's · Sep 13, 2024

Lamborghini Owner Op said: ↑

After a year of working for Schaffer and Crete combined, I feel that I have gathered enough evidence to give an honest review.

My first paycheck from Crete was $471.76 and my second was $635.81.

They told me I was enrolled in Per Diem pay from the start so by the time I found out I was not I had already lost much due to increased taxable income. Compared to orientation at Schaffer I was never given the option to opt out of 401k deductions at Crete and had to have that fixed months later when I discovered it.

My objective findings show that my asset manager was subpar. The evidence tells the story in which my first five paychecks were severely anemic and I did not have enough miles to qualify for the quarterly productivity bonus.

My next asset manager will be the straw that broke the camel’s back and my reason to resign and no longer desire to buy a truck from Crete and continue on as an owner operator for Schaffer.

From the beginning with my first asset manager, when I had a pick up after a delivery in CA and the fuel solution was to fill before picking up the next load reported by dispatch to be over 40,000 lbs.

In the past I've been told not to pick up a load over 40,000 lbs. with more than a half tank of fuel.

After my previous delivery, I didn't have enough time to make it to pick up my next load if I would have stopped to fuel so I went straight to pick up, running out of hours of service at the shipper before shutting down at the closest safe haven.

After explaining the situation to my asset manager and asking nicely if I could fuel where I shut down I was given a "SMART AS" answer "WE DON'T GET TO HAND PICK WHERE WE FUEL" then was instructed by my asset manager to back track 15 MILES to fuel wasting fuel and precious time as being a truck driver sometime it can feel like you are constantly racing the clock to make on time delivery.

That incident from the very beginning set the tone and foreshadowed what was yet to come consisting of a menagerie of depressing, unproductive, mediocre loads, with many trailer moves in between resulting in an unrewarding exhausting depressing decrease in overall mileage not being able to make the first productivity bonus and barely qualifying for the second productivity bonus with much unfilled earning potential left.

It would appear that changing asset managers would be the simple solution but I've learned that the hard way through experience with four different asset managers from Shaffer and Crete combined in that they are all cut from the same piece of cloth. The problem extends from all the asset managers to all the load planners having a very similar paradigm.

Crete looks for reasons to punish you and not pay you a bonus as another driver told me his story of how he made a U-turn in a bobtail and hasn't received a bonus for the two years he's been there. Crete is the only company in existence that makes you pay for Per Diem by decreasing your cents per mile by one cent, kind of like Judas sold the location of Jesus to be crucified for a few pieces of silver.

All I can do is ask myself what am I supposed to learn from this? What do I do now? I have learned that I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND TO MY WORST ENEMY TO WORK FOR SCHAFFER OR CRETE.

When I started with Crete I wanted to buy a truck from Crete and work for Schaffer as an owner operator. Experience has taught me that nothing could be more miserable.

While I was having my bunk heater repaired at the Salt Lake Shop, I was talking to other drivers in the driver's lounge about quitting Schaffer since they made you take a mandatory 10 hour break at the shipper. Schaffer is the only place I've ever worked as a company driver which issued a mandatory 10 hour break at the shipper with no paid detention.

Schaffer sent to pick up beef loads at JBS in Greely, CO and JBS reported that I could take my break at the C-Mart nearby or their hide plant which is inhumane in itself being a gravel lot that smells like manure and has no bathrooms.

I first went to the C-Mart only to be greeted by a middle easterner asking for money for parking and informing me they close at 11pm and open back up at 6am so I left and went to the JBS hide plant to take my mandatory 10 hour break at the shipper.

The other drivers were appalled after hearing my story and said that was kidnapping which I agree especially if you’re not being paid detention.

When I worked for Schaffer, on one occasion I was having service done on my tractor at the terminal. While at the terminal I talked to another driver that has been with the company for 3 years that expressed her dismay, saying in the beginning they gave her a lot of miles but then eventually gave her less and less miles and many shag loads. She said they were always hiring new drivers and gave all the long loads to the new drivers.

My second dispatcher at Schaffer would be my death sentence causing me to resign. My weekly paycheck to hit a rock bottom of $800 and with only nine months experience she could not get me home on time.

I left and after a while Schaffer told me to come back so I decided to come back and give Crete a try thinking it may be better. I had such high hopes to come back and work for Crete but that proved to be otherwise.

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Everything you say tells me you worked for Crete far too long, brother.

ElmerFudpucker · Sep 14, 2024

Lamborghini Owner Op said: ↑

After a year of working for Schaffer and Crete combined, I feel that I have gathered enough evidence to give an honest review.

My first paycheck from Crete was $471.76 and my second was $635.81.

They told me I was enrolled in Per Diem pay from the start so by the time I found out I was not I had already lost much due to increased taxable income. Compared to orientation at Schaffer I was never given the option to opt out of 401k deductions at Crete and had to have that fixed months later when I discovered it.

My objective findings show that my asset manager was subpar. The evidence tells the story in which my first five paychecks were severely anemic and I did not have enough miles to qualify for the quarterly productivity bonus.

My next asset manager will be the straw that broke the camel’s back and my reason to resign and no longer desire to buy a truck from Crete and continue on as an owner operator for Schaffer.

From the beginning with my first asset manager, when I had a pick up after a delivery in CA and the fuel solution was to fill before picking up the next load reported by dispatch to be over 40,000 lbs.

In the past I've been told not to pick up a load over 40,000 lbs. with more than a half tank of fuel.

After my previous delivery, I didn't have enough time to make it to pick up my next load if I would have stopped to fuel so I went straight to pick up, running out of hours of service at the shipper before shutting down at the closest safe haven.

After explaining the situation to my asset manager and asking nicely if I could fuel where I shut down I was given a "SMART AS" answer "WE DON'T GET TO HAND PICK WHERE WE FUEL" then was instructed by my asset manager to back track 15 MILES to fuel wasting fuel and precious time as being a truck driver sometime it can feel like you are constantly racing the clock to make on time delivery.

That incident from the very beginning set the tone and foreshadowed what was yet to come consisting of a menagerie of depressing, unproductive, mediocre loads, with many trailer moves in between resulting in an unrewarding exhausting depressing decrease in overall mileage not being able to make the first productivity bonus and barely qualifying for the second productivity bonus with much unfilled earning potential left.

It would appear that changing asset managers would be the simple solution but I've learned that the hard way through experience with four different asset managers from Shaffer and Crete combined in that they are all cut from the same piece of cloth. The problem extends from all the asset managers to all the load planners having a very similar paradigm.

Crete looks for reasons to punish you and not pay you a bonus as another driver told me his story of how he made a U-turn in a bobtail and hasn't received a bonus for the two years he's been there. Crete is the only company in existence that makes you pay for Per Diem by decreasing your cents per mile by one cent, kind of like Judas sold the location of Jesus to be crucified for a few pieces of silver.

All I can do is ask myself what am I supposed to learn from this? What do I do now? I have learned that I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND TO MY WORST ENEMY TO WORK FOR SCHAFFER OR CRETE.

When I started with Crete I wanted to buy a truck from Crete and work for Schaffer as an owner operator. Experience has taught me that nothing could be more miserable.

While I was having my bunk heater repaired at the Salt Lake Shop, I was talking to other drivers in the driver's lounge about quitting Schaffer since they made you take a mandatory 10 hour break at the shipper. Schaffer is the only place I've ever worked as a company driver which issued a mandatory 10 hour break at the shipper with no paid detention.

Schaffer sent to pick up beef loads at JBS in Greely, CO and JBS reported that I could take my break at the C-Mart nearby or their hide plant which is inhumane in itself being a gravel lot that smells like manure and has no bathrooms.

I first went to the C-Mart only to be greeted by a middle easterner asking for money for parking and informing me they close at 11pm and open back up at 6am so I left and went to the JBS hide plant to take my mandatory 10 hour break at the shipper.

The other drivers were appalled after hearing my story and said that was kidnapping which I agree especially if you’re not being paid detention.

When I worked for Schaffer, on one occasion I was having service done on my tractor at the terminal. While at the terminal I talked to another driver that has been with the company for 3 years that expressed her dismay, saying in the beginning they gave her a lot of miles but then eventually gave her less and less miles and many shag loads. She said they were always hiring new drivers and gave all the long loads to the new drivers.

My second dispatcher at Schaffer would be my death sentence causing me to resign. My weekly paycheck to hit a rock bottom of $800 and with only nine months experience she could not get me home on time.

I left and after a while Schaffer told me to come back so I decided to come back and give Crete a try thinking it may be better. I had such high hopes to come back and work for Crete but that proved to be otherwise.

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If it was like that the first time why did you think the second would be any different?

snicrep · Sep 14, 2024

Lamborghini Owner Op said: ↑

After a year of working for Schaffer and Crete combined, I feel that I have gathered enough evidence to give an honest review.

My first paycheck from Crete was $471.76 and my second was $635.81.

They told me I was enrolled in Per Diem pay from the start so by the time I found out I was not I had already lost much due to increased taxable income. Compared to orientation at Schaffer I was never given the option to opt out of 401k deductions at Crete and had to have that fixed months later when I discovered it.

My objective findings show that my asset manager was subpar. The evidence tells the story in which my first five paychecks were severely anemic and I did not have enough miles to qualify for the quarterly productivity bonus.

My next asset manager will be the straw that broke the camel’s back and my reason to resign and no longer desire to buy a truck from Crete and continue on as an owner operator for Schaffer.

From the beginning with my first asset manager, when I had a pick up after a delivery in CA and the fuel solution was to fill before picking up the next load reported by dispatch to be over 40,000 lbs.

In the past I've been told not to pick up a load over 40,000 lbs. with more than a half tank of fuel.

After my previous delivery, I didn't have enough time to make it to pick up my next load if I would have stopped to fuel so I went straight to pick up, running out of hours of service at the shipper before shutting down at the closest safe haven.

After explaining the situation to my asset manager and asking nicely if I could fuel where I shut down I was given a "SMART AS" answer "WE DON'T GET TO HAND PICK WHERE WE FUEL" then was instructed by my asset manager to back track 15 MILES to fuel wasting fuel and precious time as being a truck driver sometime it can feel like you are constantly racing the clock to make on time delivery.

That incident from the very beginning set the tone and foreshadowed what was yet to come consisting of a menagerie of depressing, unproductive, mediocre loads, with many trailer moves in between resulting in an unrewarding exhausting depressing decrease in overall mileage not being able to make the first productivity bonus and barely qualifying for the second productivity bonus with much unfilled earning potential left.

It would appear that changing asset managers would be the simple solution but I've learned that the hard way through experience with four different asset managers from Shaffer and Crete combined in that they are all cut from the same piece of cloth. The problem extends from all the asset managers to all the load planners having a very similar paradigm.

Crete looks for reasons to punish you and not pay you a bonus as another driver told me his story of how he made a U-turn in a bobtail and hasn't received a bonus for the two years he's been there. Crete is the only company in existence that makes you pay for Per Diem by decreasing your cents per mile by one cent, kind of like Judas sold the location of Jesus to be crucified for a few pieces of silver.

All I can do is ask myself what am I supposed to learn from this? What do I do now? I have learned that I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND TO MY WORST ENEMY TO WORK FOR SCHAFFER OR CRETE.

When I started with Crete I wanted to buy a truck from Crete and work for Schaffer as an owner operator. Experience has taught me that nothing could be more miserable.

While I was having my bunk heater repaired at the Salt Lake Shop, I was talking to other drivers in the driver's lounge about quitting Schaffer since they made you take a mandatory 10 hour break at the shipper. Schaffer is the only place I've ever worked as a company driver which issued a mandatory 10 hour break at the shipper with no paid detention.

Schaffer sent to pick up beef loads at JBS in Greely, CO and JBS reported that I could take my break at the C-Mart nearby or their hide plant which is inhumane in itself being a gravel lot that smells like manure and has no bathrooms.

I first went to the C-Mart only to be greeted by a middle easterner asking for money for parking and informing me they close at 11pm and open back up at 6am so I left and went to the JBS hide plant to take my mandatory 10 hour break at the shipper.

The other drivers were appalled after hearing my story and said that was kidnapping which I agree especially if you’re not being paid detention.

When I worked for Schaffer, on one occasion I was having service done on my tractor at the terminal. While at the terminal I talked to another driver that has been with the company for 3 years that expressed her dismay, saying in the beginning they gave her a lot of miles but then eventually gave her less and less miles and many shag loads. She said they were always hiring new drivers and gave all the long loads to the new drivers.

My second dispatcher at Schaffer would be my death sentence causing me to resign. My weekly paycheck to hit a rock bottom of $800 and with only nine months experience she could not get me home on time.

I left and after a while Schaffer told me to come back so I decided to come back and give Crete a try thinking it may be better. I had such high hopes to come back and work for Crete but that proved to be otherwise.

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Too long.

smokey12 · Sep 14, 2024

Someguywithquestions said: ↑

Company name and location.
Dont want to dox myself and i work for a cult like company where not singing the praises of the company gets management really, really mad. Northwest but not in a major city like seattle or portland.
Type of work.
LTL. Im just a lowly whipping boy. I do P&D, Dock, Linehaul, cleaning, sweeping, etc. Whatever my several bosses tell me to.
Required qualifications.
Class A, doubles/triples, hazmat, tanker. Nearly spotless record, no recorded accidents in past 3 years. No crap on MVR.
Typical work day.
Go to sleep around 0000-0130, usually get called around 0530-0700 to tell me my start time for the day. Often 0900-1000. Drive an hour into work, find truck assuming it isnt taken or broken, get trailer/trailers, put pallet jack in them, frantically run around town throwing #### off the trailer as fast as possible, sometimes 3-4 trailers a day. All local city driving, maybe 10 minutes between stops at the most. Get yelled and cussed at by miserable old ####tards at half of the stops. Usually 1-2 times a week someone wants to fight like this is some cowboy bar. Typically done with the troglodytes by 1600-1800. Work dock from that time until 2130-2300 usually. Drive an hour back home. Get another 5-6 hours of sleep. Weekends i get a typically 10-12 hour linehaul run. Squeeze in a 34 usually. Management is pushing for me to run recaps though and start working 7 days a week.
Schedule.
Well, just see above.
Benefits.
Healthcare is cheap, never used it, medical dental vision etc. 2 weeks PTO a year. Thats sick and vacation together. Taking "sick time" is dubious at best. Prepare to be on the ####list of management for 2 weeks if you do. Vacation needs to be put in for the year in january. Management wants vacation taken in 1 week blocks and gets pissy if you dont give 2-3 months for them to "plan" around it.
How do you like your job?
I ####ing hate it. Trucking has sucked the soul out of me. Im making well over 100k a year. Probably closing in on 130k. But im burning down 65-70 hours a week. 2 hours commute each day. No life, no hobbies, no friends, no girl, no pets, nothing but work. Big corporate micromanaging and pissed off customer attitudes and #### nanny equipment.

I think another 5-10 years of this ######## is going to end up with me jumping off a cliff. #### trucking and this god forsaken industry. Each new trucking job makes me more money than the last but makes my life more even awful. I tell everyone that the future of the trucking industry is more and more bleak. It aint going to get better. Its been getting worse and worse for 40 years. I advise everyone to stay away. I wasted years getting to the golden gates of 100k+ LTL and its the worst my life has ever been. At least ill be able to buy a gold plated rope to hang myself with
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#### OTR sounds better than this especially with your personal situation . You need to get on with another form of trucking at least. This sucks.

Someguywithquestions · Nov 1, 2024

smokey12 said: ↑

#### OTR sounds better than this especially with your personal situation . You need to get on with another form of trucking at least. This sucks.
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OTR pays didly. I'm stuck where I am because cost of living and houses are so insanely overpriced. I need that money. I'll do this garbage for 5-10 years and save as much as possible. Then I'm getting out of trucking. Have enough to pay a house off or whatever and hang up the keys. I'm counting down the days. Just wish I didn't start this #### at 21. All of my youth is gone and wasted. Now I'm getting old and having health problems and have little to show for it. I haven't enjoyed life in over a decade now. That's why I tell everyone I know not to get into trucking. It'll leave you with nothing before you even realize what happened.

CorsairFanboy · Nov 1, 2024

Someguywithquestions said: ↑

OTR pays didly. I'm stuck where I am because cost of living and houses are so insanely overpriced. I need that money. I'll do this garbage for 5-10 years and save as much as possible. Then I'm getting out of trucking. Have enough to pay a house off or whatever and hang up the keys. I'm counting down the days. Just wish I didn't start this #### at 21. All of my youth is gone and wasted. Now I'm getting old and having health problems and have little to show for it. I haven't enjoyed life in over a decade now. That's why I tell everyone I know not to get into trucking. It'll leave you with nothing before you even realize what happened.
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How long have you been at it? I also started at 21. I have taken many breaks, but end up right back. Looking back, I may have wasted my time on those “breaks” and didn’t go for some training in other fields.

getting back into it again and may be doing it for the long haul, no pun intended lol.

I hope things improve a bit next year and onwards, but who knows. I’m thinking, if I am going to stay driving I am going to work on buying my own truck. Never wanted to do so, but it is becoming too difficult to deal with these trucks and how the companies set them up. I would like to be able to set the truck to my liking, to keep my sanity lol.

Removing all the audible warnings/sounds
Ordering the dinnette/murphy bed option (Volvo 860 or Cascadia)
Putting in a bigger fridge
Having toolboxes installed, specially in the trailer if I own it, as well.

If Im going to live this lifestyle might as well try to have options. It won’t be about the money. I love not having too much responsibility. When the truck is yours, the real fun headaches begin

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