trying to load me past 14 hr

Don't have an accident.

I operate strictly within the law. DDL isn't elogs. Its just a comic book on a computer, and goes back to verification through all the rest of your paper records. Elogging is completely different being tied to your ECM and GPS tagging. All of the "approved" systems can't have line 3 changed by office staff or the driver. That's different.

So going back a post or so...

1. Leaving the truck to walk into the dock area. All time here is on duty not driving.

2. Waiting to check with the dock people for door assignment. All time here is on duty, not driving.

3. Opening the door, backing into the dock. On duty not driving.

4. Pulling from dock, cleaning out the trailer if needed. On duty not driving.

5. Securing the paperwork from the load. Signatures, etc. lumpers etc. On duty not driving.

Takes more than just 15 minutes.

You're saying you log each of these items separately, with exact times rounded up to the nearest 15 minutes of course? Tell me then, do you have any time left during the course of the day to actually drive the truck?

HOLD IT! DID YOU WRITE, "WE'RE EDUCATING THE MASSES???" OMG! And I thought this was amusing entertainment! I'm going to have to go from line 2 to line 4 now - see what a hassle you're causing??? I much prefer throwing barbed insults, since that's obviously "amusing entertainment" and can be considered off duty!

 

I have shown where you do not operate strictly within the law. You are showing that your elogs is nothing more than a comic book as well. Run these comments past dieselbear or MikeMD and see what they think of the elogs at Prime.

To be parked on the break, start the truck and move to a dock, complete the non duty activity and back to the starting point and continue your break is not within the law. The ten hour break is for personal activity not associated to the job. This is where I began to comment on this thread.

Or have I missed the ruling that says to do such thing is actually not a problem. If so, please post the FMCSA regulation that allows this.

I have shown the activity involved in getting to a shipper/receiver and getting a dock. If you can do all of these things within 15 minutes, more power to you.

Like I stated, what will you do when the shipper and receiver are required to time stamp documentation?

As far as educating the masses, you said that, I did not. I stated the majority.

If you want to trade barbs, then I will back off.

If you truly wish to discuss then continue.

 

Loading/unloading while logging sleeper berth or off duty is a violation of the rules! It is a violation of the letter of the regulations and the intent. Does it happen? Absolutely! But that does not make it okay. God forbid if anything happens after you did this, You WILL BE FOUND OUT AND THROWN TO THE WOLVES!!! The lawyers WILL discover your falsification and WILL prove that you ROUTINELY violate the rules and RUIN YOUR JOB AND YOUR LIFE!!!
Most OTR drivers do this often, but that does make it ok. It is not worth it!

 

Shippers and receivers can time stamp paperwork all they want. It doesn't prove when they told me or put the paperwork in my hand. They might have been finished hours ago but forgot to knock on my door.

 

In my humble opinion here's what will happen. Driving to load/unload while on your 10 hour break is not legal. Alot of drivers do it. Get caught by D.O.T., you and only you pay the price. Your dispatcher will deny telling you to go get the load while on break.
Your company will not go to bat for you because they "always comply to D.O.T. regs.
You are on your own. So are all those fines/shut downs/ loss of work worth breaking the rules? Is it worth losing your CDL over? I think not. If they cant schedule it right not your problem. That's why we cant make more money, we tend to give them everything for free. As long as we keep doing it they will keep asking for it.

 

No, the 14 hour rule only has to do with driving. You can only drive up to 11 hours before you take your break and you can not drive after your 14 is up. You can work all you want after that 14, it's just that you can not drive again until you take your break.

To get technical, if you have to move the truck after your 14 then it would be illegal because you are driving after your 14. If you do not have to do any driving, then it is totally legal. Only problem would be that your continuous 10 hour break would be interrupted by this on duty status, and would either have to get pushed back or turned into a split break.

 

Hum i'm with everyboby else here i guess , but the real time for me is 3:15 hour's on line 4, from the time i cross the gaurd gate, too backing in the dock, here goes for me, i find the place, stop at guard shack 22 mins, gotta call it in, procedd into chemical plant , pull into dogyard park lock truck as told so, go wacth a movie on saftey 45 mins, get my saftey gear, proced too dock area, back into dock area, get close opean door , checking as i go for any spilled leakage, none too be found, go inside and wacth em unload, as per instruictions, and help count the barrels, a hour lost,there, they put one pallet of barrel's back on trl , cannot accept barrel after they check all barrels in, a anthor hour lost, becuse of rust on top,go back out move truck after had long chat over q-qual come with dispacther, 15 min ,and on phone too, tell's me go too anthor place with barrel's,go back too guard shack and show him the paper work and explain i was taking that pallet too a place were they could send it back,anthour 34 mins waiting there, and finnly im out the gate, ye-haw,so now i wasted almost 3.16 or so time doing this load , of which i know is too be placed on line 4 , but if i did that i knew it would cut into my drive time too pickup my next load, that's why i bought a spiral bound wire notebook and wrote all this kind of info in it for shipper i did, i know iwas lieing too dot when i did like everyboby else and just put 15 mins for bump and grind on for docks,i knew it false logs and yet i went thru many dot ,chicken coops never said anything but i sure didnt like the feeling,. Everett.

 

It's up to the driver how honest you want to be.
If your dispatcher tries to force you to do something that is wrong and you don't want to do it, call yor safety man. He'll have a talk with the dispatcher and stop it.
Don't try that at a small company or you'll be toast.

Me, I'll get the job done first and figure a way to log it. Our company requires 15 minute check in and that's it. If I'm loading/unloading past my 14, I'll show going in the sleeper on the dock or dropping the trailer on the dock. Job done, you just mosey to the closest place inside or outside the gate to really shut down and finish sleeping.

Say you pull to a guard shack, the guard comes to you and takes your paperwork, calls on his radio and gets you a door. Tells you to break the seal and back in and they'll bring the paperwork to you when they are done. The whole time you were in the driver seat so it's line 3 except for opening your doors which takes 2 minutes.

Drivers can ficticiously take their 10 on the dock even though Walmart time stamps. The 2nd time is paperwork available at the window. It doesn't say when you picked it up.

These moron desk jockeys that make these rules just have a broad picture. They don't consider this little stuff and what real trucking life is really like. I don't like running illegal but I do. I get the job done. One driver can't change things. You have to play the game and make everyone happy the best way you can.

Aggie you could find 15 minutes to compress to make that pickup work. Drivers lose time everytime they change status. That little 7 minutes on each side of the 15 minutes. You can delete a 15 minute break and compress 15 minutes driving and your mph still average out.

For the most part you just have to make your company log dept happy. They deal with the same DOT auditors and they know what they can and can not do. For example the auditor told our company to log 15 checking in, pti and fuel. All time stamps have to be with in 1 hour.

You might find different rules with different companies. It all depends on their relationship with their auditor. Then the buck is passed down to the driver.

Elogs, god forbid. You're on your own!

 

This is a lot different than what was originally brought up.
If I was doing all that you described, I would log it on line 4.

However, let me show a typical scenario when I ran refers. Arrive at shipper or receiver after driving 4-10 hrs. Go to line 4. Check with guard shack. Do not get a door assignment told to pull into parking area. Check with shipping office. Told they would get me when ready for me. Go to sleeper berth, line 2. Wait for knock on door or cell phone or CB. Open trailer doors, back to dock, go back to sleeper. Took less than 7.5 minutes no need to come off sleeper berth line. Wait to be loaded, unloaded, wait for knock on door, etc telling me I'm ready. Pull forward, secure load if needed, close and seal doors, get bills or signature, drive to original parking area, and go to sleeper. Takes less than 7.5 minutes, no need to come off sleeper berth line. Finish out 8 hr break or take full ten, or drive out my 11 hrs, if that was more advantages.

Perfectly legal, saved my 70 hour limit, and allowed me to maximize my time for working. Now was there times when that wouldn't work and I had to show a couple hours for loading unloading, yes, but I was in control of how and what I logged. I don't let anybody; but my companies written safety policies and FMCSA rules, tell me how I should log. Since the paper logs only track to the nearest 1/4 hour, any activity less than 8 minutes doesn't need to be logged.

Question, how many of you that are going to say they always log it as they do it, only log 15 minutes for your fuel stops of 50 gals or less? Or pre-trips?