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Woohoo,for hubby! Why don't mine ever call me,to tell me that??

 

Because you are soooo awesome that if all the other drivers found out you wouldn't be allowed in the secret club. Lol

 

That would be 62.5 MPH average.

His truck only does 62, so even at top speed he could not have made it.
Not to mention all the other things that were pointed out.
He forgot about a meal break in that list.

Sounds like in her 30 years of trucking she went slightly senile.

 

I use 50 miles per hour average, so 500 divided by 50 equals 10 hours minimum. I don't like loads that have to be run straight thru to the end of my clocks. Then I have no time to legally get back out to a safe haven truck stop or rest area. I might do it if the load lands on a Wednesday and the miles count for next pay period, and see about bobtailing out on Line 5 personal conveyance without a trailer. That takes away all the stress of possibly running illegal trying to find parking.

 

Yes, he got questioned about running in violation today, as a matter of fact. When his truck broke down, he was out of hours to legally drive by the time the temporary repairs were made and was told to invoke the "safe haven" rule to drive two hours to the terminal for repairs when roadside got him running. Does the safe haven rule apply to the 14 hour clock as well as the 11 hour clock?

 

The book says if you still have room on the 70 and have not used all the 11 you can use that exception (over 14) but you can't pass up 12 safe havens to get to a specific place lol. He would have to go to the very first safe place and take the break.

If he was instructed to do this via the qualcomm it would be better for him than if someone told him over the cell phone.
DOT is getting very hardnosed. Being a company driver with company truck I would just sit there on the side of the road til I had legal hours and if it was repaired and a safety hazard deemed by law enforcement, would request/demand that Swift have the equipment towed because I wouldn't be risking my CDL and/or prison time if something happened out of hours.

 

Thanks, Scottie. I know that he did get the instructions via QC. I wonder if they will even bother going back to look, though.

 

Wilma,does hubby have a digital camera? have him get one and take digital pic of the message that are questionable,i do it and its kind of a paranoid action to take,but swift jimms up the fear factor alot,especially if your new........I still do it,trailers that have damage when I pick up,messages,and loads loaded on trl that look questionable...........etc,so on,so on...

 

What a good idea!

 

Scottie, I'm sorry but you're incorrect. Firstly, with regards to adverse driving conditions, the FMCSR says nothing about your 70 hour rule. So, technically, you still cannot be over 70 hours and still drive due to adverse conditions. I'm not sure you could even argue it as an emergency condition, because there doesn't seem to be any guidance on what constitutes an emergency.

Also, your statement, "have not used all of your 11" is incorrect to. Per 395.1(b)(1)(i), you may drive up to 13 hours but not past 14 hours since coming on duty (per the very next paragraph, 395.1(b)(1)(ii)). So, in plain English, you may drive more than 11 hours but not more than 13 and must not violate the 14-hour rule (for reference: 395.3(a)(2)).

So Wilma, in short, no, it doesn't apply to the 14 hour clock; only the 11 hour clock. P.S.: Typical "rush hour" traffic does not justify the use of this exception because you are aware that places like Chicago have such heavy traffic on a daily basis.

Pop Quiz:
So, drivers, that 16-hour exception you see on your MCP: Is that for the adverse conditions exception? (Jeopardy Music) Nope, it's not for the adverse driving conditions rule (aka "safe haven" rule). If you've used it for that, you're in violation. None of the above refers to 16 hours or any such exception. That 16-hour exception is intended for day drivers only who report to the same location for work each day. Don't believe me? 395.3(a)(2) references the 16-hour exception paragraph, which is 395.1(o).

Still don't believe me? Check out this plain English guide put out by the FMSCA itself: FMSCA's Guide to HOS

Also, the guidance for these rules states:

So, mechanical failures do not count. Scottie is exactly right when he would have made the decision NOT to move the truck until he had hours or had the truck towed. However, I'd be willing to bet that there is a rule somewhere stating you must be on-duty if you accompany the truck; I just don't know of it off-hand.

...wait...hold the phone. I found the guidance on this:

So, if you get another run within 8 hours of arriving at the terminal, you have to log the time in the "automobile" as on-duty. My guess is that "automobile" could include the tow truck since you're not driving. But again, this is just a guess.

Also interesting:

One more:

Note: Emphasis added by yours truly.

So, my ability to amend my times at shippers and consignees to 30 minutes for drop and hook should be disabled? Hrm. Or does this just mean editing while the truck is in motion? Or perhaps just while dispatched on that load and editing may be done after I'm dispatched on the next?

Finally, what I really want to know but cannot seem to find it anywhere: How do I invoke the adverse driving condition exception on my Qualcomm MCP200? If I violate the 11 on it, it starts going nuts. But there doesn't seem to be a way to tell it you are invoking the adverse conditions exception. (Again, the 16-hour exception doesn't apply here.)

Sorry to have taken this so far off topic from Plus One....

As far as Plus One, I'm just coming off a Walmart dedicated account. I've noticed the absurdly short appointment windows, my turning down loads way more than I used to, and sending many more M22s. Having read this entire thread this morning, I gained some insight on handling this new (uglier) way of doing business. Thanks and I plan on attempting some of the methods suggested.