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Discussion in 'USA Truck' started by RetiredSarge, Aug 8, 2013.

  1. RetiredSarge

    RetiredSarge Medium Load Member

    Has anyone else noticed the increase in number of "L" trucks out there lately? I haven't run into one personally yet to see how it's going but I've been seeing a bunch of the old T660's. I guess USA started up their LP program again. I wonder if anyone is making any money or on the express train to the cardboard box under the bridge
     
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  3. Gold_Miner

    Gold_Miner Medium Load Member

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    How does the Lease Program work at USA Truck?
     
  4. J_FROG

    J_FROG Road Train Member

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    Big increase in lease and O/O trucks mainly because of the paper logs. I expect and hope that they all go away when we switch to elogs. That wil be the only good things about elogs, the nice runs will come back because they won't be able to cheat anymore. Or at least as much.
     
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  5. J_FROG

    J_FROG Road Train Member

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    You pay for everything to haul their freight and in exchange they give you a mere pittance of what they make.
     
  6. Thomas0810

    Thomas0810 Road Train Member

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    its gotta be like leasing a car,your never gonna come out on the good end of it
     
  7. Payday777

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    The LP program is out of trucks right now...supposed to be getting some more ready soon?
     
  8. NY Snowman

    NY Snowman Light Load Member

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    The nightmare stories far outweight the tales of success when it comes to leasing from a carrier. I look at it like this. If a carrier can make money running their own trucks, why would they consider leasing them to a driver? Carriers lease their trucks because it cuts down on their overhead and operating costs. The money they save on taxes, tags, permits, etc. goes to their bbottom line while the driver has to turn more miles and pray their truck stays together in the process. To say it's a risky gamble is like saying Titanic just another boat. Just my opinion...
     
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  9. Lucar

    Lucar Road Train Member

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    agreed.. besides, it's not like if the driver gets tired or falls in "the hole" with the company, he can up and go work somewhere else... the truck stays and all the money invested by him, sweat and tears cleaning the equipment and running repairs on your own, driving slower to save fuel, tires, "the" engine, throwing a scarf down on the pothole for the truck to drive over and what have you more, at the end, they don't even thank you for it. But instead turn around and leas that Bi*** to another driver "full of hope"
    like NY Snowman said, the tales of nightmares outweight the success stories.. I personally lived 2 of those nightmare tales..
     
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  10. RetiredSarge

    RetiredSarge Medium Load Member

    It's funny that you never see anything in any terminal or on the website in regards to info on the LP program. I would never lease/buy or anything with an autoshift. If I would ever consider it, I would do it with a company that offered new trucks on the lease. Not a 550k mile POS
     
  11. Lucar

    Lucar Road Train Member

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    copied - paste from Landline Magazine

    I've run 2 leases that turned into nightmares, neither one of those companies is mention here. However, here's another example of how bad this business practice can out turn.. read ahead if you have the time.


    Fighting back
    Truckers challenge Central Refrigerated over leases and control
    By Clarissa Kell-Holland, staff writer

    The ads make all sorts of promises: Make more money as an independent contractor. No credit check for a $100,000 truck. A fresh start. Too many company drivers who are eager to live a better life are lured into lease-purchase scenarios and fail to question who is in the driver’s seat until it’s too late.

    Motor carriers of all sizes have decided there’s money to be made by switching their fleets mainly to independent contractors, pushing all of the financial risk off on the drivers, while reaping record profits. Of the thousands of drivers who sign lease-purchase agreements each year, few are able to complete the terms of their contracts, often through no fault of their own.
    Who’s really in the driver’s seat?
    According to Merriam-Webster’s Dictionary, the definition of the word independent is “not subject to control by others.”
    However, truck drivers who signed leases with Central Leasing to work for Central Refrigerated Service of West Valley City, UT, claim the company controls every aspect of their jobs. The drivers say they are misclassified. Their lawsuit claims they are really employee drivers, not independent contractors as the company outlines in their contracts.
    Dan Getman of the law firm Getman and Sweeney PLLC of New Paltz, NY, filed a collective and class action lawsuit in June 2012 against Central Leasing and Central Refrigerated. The suit is on behalf of hundreds of drivers who signed the lease agreements.
    Getman said there have been two significant rulings from Judge Virginia A. Phillips in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California.
    Getman said that while the drivers are classified as owner-operators in the contracts, the judge found them to actually be employees.
    “One of the significant decisions is that first the judge … found them to be employees. The company exerted a significant amount of control over the drivers and therefore, by law, they are really employees,” Getman said in February.
    Central Refrigerated, which has more than 2,000 power units and drivers, is owned by Jerry Moyes, who also owns Swift Transportation.
    Getman said his firm also has a lawsuit pending against Swift over its lease and lease-purchase agreements and misclassification of drivers as independent contractors instead of employees.
    He said Judge Phillips reached the employee ruling as a precursor to deciding whether the Federal Arbitration Act applies – which she ruled that it does. Now the case can move forward in arbitration.
    “This was a significant ruling because that’s the linchpin of our argument: that the companies have claimed the drivers are independent contractors, but then exert so much control over limiting their profitability, limiting how they drive, etc.,” Getman said.
    “Our claims are that they have so much control that drivers are employees, so therefore you owe them money and should pay them minimum wage.”
    In the cases he has filed against Central Refrigerated, as well as Swift, he said he has yet to speak to a driver who purchased the truck at the end of the lease-purchase agreement, but he said he has heard there are a few of them out there.
    Getman said the basis of the forced labor claim is the way the contract is worded. If the driver is fired or quits, the company considers the driver in “default” of the agreement. Drivers stay even though they aren’t able to pick their routes or their loads and are unable to take their truck and drive for another motor carrier for fear of defaulting on their contracts. That usually means financial ruin because they are still on the hook for the remaining truck payments.
    “So the driver feels they can’t leave even though they are watching all of their savings get eaten up because they are tied to their trucks and are being bled dry,” he said. LL
     
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