ELD IS GOING AWAY !!!!!

The source is my ELD provide, Omnitracs. The driver will have manually change statuses. At least that is what they told me.

 

That is one of those sucky situations where hos just doesn't match up perfectly with reality, however, with the mandated ELDs, all the truckers hauling like you will still be in the same boat, which means that everyone, including the frackers, will have to look at how to do things differently.

Maybe they can increase the stockpile size at the well, instead of making you wait to unload.
(another way to look at it is that the Receiver is taking serious advantage of the the truckers, not caring at all about their time, and forcing them to wait unreasonable amounts of time, for their convenience. That needs to be changed in any case, or start paying you by the hour. But you seem to have accepted this slave labor schedule as just the way things are, and looking at the hos as the bad thing, when it is the uncompensated wait time that is the real problem.)

But the way things are, in order to do it legally, you would just need to stretch some of your 7 hour waits to 8 hours in the sleeper, and do split logging.
If you were creative, and especially if they would work with you at least a little bit, you could probably figure out how to do it without losing much productivity.

And again, when everyone is in the same boat, they will have to figure out how to optimize things, because otherwise they will not have the sand when they need it anyway.

 

That seems to be opposite of the whole purpose of the ELDs, which is recording what happens.
I didn't quickly find anything on their website about it, but FMCSA is pretty clear that at least currently, automatic status change is required.

"
When will an electronic logging device (ELD) automatically start to record a driving mode or status?

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An ELD must automatically switch to driving mode once the commercial motor vehicle (CMV) is moving up to a set speed threshold of five miles per hour. As a result, the in-motion state must not be configured greater than five miles per hour. The vehicle will be considered stopped once its speed falls to zero miles per hour and stays at zero miles per hour for three consecutive seconds."

https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/faq/when-...matically-start-record-driving-mode-or-status


And I forgot copy it, but it also said that it has to automatically switch to On Duty after 5 minutes of being stopped.

I have not seen that this will change, and would be really surprised if it does.

Here is a summary of the Mandate I found elsewhere:

"Device must change to drive duty status when motion is detected.

• If the vehicle is stopped for 5 minutes must warn the driver – if no response from the driver the device must change to On-duty not driving.
• All other automatic duty statuses are prohibited.

"

So maybe your system had some other auto duty status changes?

 

Maybe I misunderstood the tech - maybe he meant to say they were going to disable manual status changes.

 

I never said my wait time wasn't paid. And this job dang sure ain't "slave labor." But the point of my post wasn't about money anyway. It's just to show one more example of a situation where the hours of service DO NOT WORK. They write this crap with the OTR guys in mind, and don't seem to give a second thought to anyone else. It's ridiculous.

On jobs like that, when I take off to go get a load, I'm totally rested. Probably more rested than any of the OTR trucks that I meet on the highway that have been driving for hours. Yet they are legal and I'm not. There is no reason why I shouldn't be able to drive. And taking away paper logs takes away any kind of wiggle room we have.

 

Point out to me where I said anything about speed? I did not did I?

Pretty slick at bending truths quit trucking and be a politician.

Just a for instance check the speed limit from liberal Ks to Monmouth IL tell me what you see

 

I was at a paperlog company for a couple years back, they calc'd the time/distance ratio for us right onthe paperwork, in other words, do not arrive before x time after dispatch. In other words they had to dispatch legal *possible* delivery times. The regs were changed a few years back to include anti coercion rules. Trust me, companies do not want creative logging any more due to the enormous fines involved plus putting their authority at risk. Most of these companies are going to elogs because like I said earlier it is a modern day protection racket where if you don't pay the enforcers, you are effectively put out of business.

http://www.landlinemag.com/Magazine/2016/DecJan/news/eld-cost.aspx


By Joyce Brenny, OOIDA member
The reality of what this mandate is going to cost our small company is keeping me awake at night and stressing me out beyond words. Back in about 2009 I started doing some research on these things they called "electronic on-board recorders" or EOBRs. I couldn’t believe we were getting prices in the $200- to $300-per-unit range.

I thought that was ridiculous. So we backed off and stuck with our paper logs; they worked just fine and cost way less.

Then the word "mandate" came about, and I really backed off. The last thing our small company needs is to be forced to buy a product we cannot afford. Our drivers also voiced their concern, saying they felt the devices would neither be helpful nor improve safety.

Fast forward to 2016, and now it seems we will be forced to buy a product we cannot afford. Except now the price has gone up to $1,200 per unit. And, yes, that would be per truck.

OK, time for a good ol’ trucking math lesson here: $1,200 per unit times my 55 trucks equals $66,000. Oh wait, we are not done yet. It seems my software company wants their share of the trucker pie. Of course, doesn’t everyone? So to integrate the ELD into our software will cost me another $37,500.

Now back to our math lesson:

• $66,000 ELD units for 55 trucks
• $37,500 to integrate ELDs into software

That’s $103,500 total, not including installation, time involved and – oh you know, I am sure someone will want more along the way. "Someone" always does.

My trucking company is estimated to gross $10 million this year. We are on track to obtain a 5 percent profit margin, which should net us $500,000.

But wait. The ELD mandate will take away more than 20 percent of my profit. I cannot afford this mandate.

I guess we can thank our government for taking raises away from my employees, for putting our company in a financial concern, for making us cut back on items that would actually improve safety. Not for the cost of a ridiculous mandate that has not and will never improve safety on our highways.

 

But they won't have to buy paper log books from JJ Keller anymore....
Money saved!!

 

No, you said nothing about speed directly, but if you are on one of the many freeways limited to 55, than 605 miles is your daily limit.

Your comment seemed to imply that if someone could only do 600 miles in 11 hours, they should stop driving, and that isn't accurate in much of the country.

Also, many company drivers are driving speed limited trucks, so even if they were on a faster freeway, they are still limited on possible miles.

 

This is going to be even more fun when we get speed-limited for safety too.