Dramatic Rollover Video

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  1. tinytim

    tinytim Road Train Member

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    If that big truck doesn't constitute an immediate hazard then I don't understand the meaning of the term.
     
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  3. not4hire

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    Given that the conditions appear to be clear and dry, if the semi was unable to stop then they were driving too fast (absent any immediate mechanical or medical issue as previously noted).

    The posted speed limit is the maximum allowed under ideal conditions. Any conditions less than ideal, eg., ice, fog, heavy vehicle, oversize vehicle, etc., means the driver should adjust their speed to compensate. I have no doubt the semi will be found at fault.
     
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  4. tinytim

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    Can't claim to have any experience in something like that but how is the pickup truck not at fault? Both of them had the same yellow light. The pickup crossed into the path of the opposing traffic. What am I missing?
     
  5. not4hire

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    The light had already been yellow before the video begins, so it is a safe bet the light had been a stale green for the semi for long enough that a "professional" driver would know that the light is likely to change soon and they should be expecting it; therefore not speeding to beat the light (nor even doing the speed limit for that matter, because that is too fast for a vehicle like that on a congested urban road). I would bet a box of 20 Timbits the semi was speeding.

    Drivers continuously complain about the lack of respect for what they do. Well, IMHO, this is a prime example of what contributes to why the public doesn't think much of most truck drivers.

    Does the pickup bear some fault? Yes... and they're a dummy and a likely Darwin candidate for not waiting. However, my original position that the semi is primarily, if not completely, at fault is unchanged.

    A Yellow Traffic Light Means Stop | DriveSmartBC

    Believe it or not, in British Columbia a yellow traffic light tells you that you must stop before you enter the intersection! Yes, I know that there is one caveat to that statement, and it is "unless the stop cannot be made in safety." The onus is on the driver that does not stop for the yellow light to show that it was unsafe if they are involved in court proceedings because of their decision.

    Is anyone able to tell me what a stale green light is? That's right, it's a traffic signal that will soon be turning from green to yellow. An example of a stale green light would be one that you have not seen turn green so that you don't know how long it has been that way, one that has a solid red hand "don't walk" signal facing the same direction of travel or perhaps the cross street has many vehicles waiting for the red.

    The proper response when approaching a stale green light is to shadow the brake pedal. This means lifting your foot off of the accelerator and hovering it over the the brake. If a stop is needed, you are already almost there as you are beginning to slow and ready to brake.

    Couple this with advance warning lights of a signal change and awareness of surrounding traffic and road conditions and the only reason to not stop at a yellow light may be that the light changed when you were so close to the intersection that you had reached the point of no return.
     
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  6. tinytim

    tinytim Road Train Member

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    You'd likely win that bet.

    I was reading some comments on one of the news sites and most put the blame on the pickup truck.
    https://www.peacearchnews.com/news/...deo-shows-semi-truck-roll-over-in-abbotsford/

    Personally I blame both. Running yellow lights when you can stop is something I don't do and considering the point at which it turned red I agree he likely should have been able to stop.

    That doesn't change the fact that the pickup crossed in front of oncoming traffic when there was clearly an immediate hazard. I'm having trouble accepting the idea that from a legal standpoint the big truck is the one more at fault.

    One of thing I am pretty darn sure of though is that is the roles were reversed there would be more people blaming the big truck for pulling out in front of the oncoming pickup truck than there are blaming the pickup for the same action.
     
  7. windsmith

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    Yes. The LEDs turn on and off at a rate determined by the LED driver. If it happens to be 1/48th of a second, then every other frame of the video will show the light to be on, and the other frames will show it to be off. Welcome to the digital world that didn't exist in the 1920s.
     
  8. The Gels

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    That varies by state. In Louisiana you have to be completely clear of the intersection when it turns red, or you ran it. I don't know what this "prewarning light" is, I've never seen it here.


    LA Rev Stat § 32:232
    §232. Traffic-control signals

    (2) Steady YELLOW indication:

    (a) Vehicular traffic facing a steady yellow signal alone is thereby warned that the related green signal is being terminated or that a red signal will be exhibited immediately thereafter and such vehicular traffic shall not enter or be crossing the intersection when the red signal is exhibited.
     
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  9. LoneRanger

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    The law from what I know is before making a left turn you have to make sure the intersection is clear.

    Light was yellow the truck had right of way.
     
  10. TankerP

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    If the truck had no business being in that intersection because the light was yellow then neither did the pick up truck. In this situation, both vehicles had a yellow light. So the question is this, who had the right of way?
     
  11. scottied67

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    It is impossible for opposing lights to both have yellow lights displayed at the same time. If one direction switched from green to yellow, the opposing traffic would still see red. As the light changes from yellow to red, opposing traffic will see red also for a split moment before it turns green.
     
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