Cheating on logs

How many less miles are you looking to log, and what do you think that's going to gain you? Sounds like you're looking for the "easy" fix and eventually you'll start dropping trips. Nothing is easier to find than a dropped trip. Keep in mind that there are multiple ways in which you can be tracked.

As for the miles, you can squeeze some on a heavy day and add them on a light day, but for the most part if you're playing the squeeze game here and there you're better off showing a few violations. Once you establish a pattern it's easier to take you down. Patterns of behaviors are more incriminating than random violations. Likewise log falsification is also more incriminating than violations. Instead of looking for a way to work around the system, you should be trying to find a way to work within the system as much as possible.

 

here is an idea.teach these driver to know when to take a nap and the ability to log so as not to lose hours.the 14 hour rule is the problem like windsmith said.we had rules back when nobody enforced them.but we could nap when needed,and run when we felt good.the big company's like the 14 hour rule cuz it forces you to be somewhere tired or not.yes force people to drive in a certain time frame really makes sense.

 

hmmm, why am I reminded of?...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38v51JvIv0A

 

I cheat sometimes out of necessity, not convenience. Example: I am in Washington State and AccuWeather tells me it will snow in a certain area at a certain time. My logbook says I am not allowed to work for another two hours. But it also says because of it I will end up in a snowstorm.

I am well rested. Is it safer to move out early and just redo your logs? Or should I run legal and now operate under hazardous conditions when I could easily get ahead of it. I mean, what would you do?

 

Yes it would be safer, but it wouldn't be legal. So to stay ahead of the snow storm. You would not stop till you get to your destination 2,000 miles away, because as soon as you stop that snow storm is going to catch you and then what? Yes we use to do those things when all a log book violation was a slap on the risk, a few dollars fine, and a mandatory 10 hour break which we probably needed badly anyway. I also thought I seen where Washington state. Keeps a track of your time from the last time you passed or was in the scale house and if that time doesn't correspond to you taking a 10 hour break. They will pull you in, and would love to hear your story about leaving early while accruing csa points to you and your company. Now instead of being 2 hours behind you are now 10 hours behind and less money in your pocket and accumulating csa points on your licence. So if its worth it to you. Then by all means do what they say can't be done. You got a long way to go and a short time to get there. Watch old bandit run. Yeeee hawwww

 

I've read this response and I thought about it for a bit. You state you have 14 years of experience (which is 5 more years than I have). As much as I disagree with your response... I will say once you are done driving, you should consider being a consultant for the FMCSA.

From what I am reading, being legal is more important to you than being safe. I think you would fit right in with their logic. I respect your experience, but also I think you are sold out to this whole legalistic rule making the FMCSA crapped out. I am very good at trip planning and I am slightly disappointed that someone with your experience does not realize that a snowstorm doesn't always cover more than 200 miles.

No offence... one shoe does not fit all.

BTW, I will risk a DOT write-up on my logs over putting myself/equipment/freight/traveling public within danger. Yeee hawww!

 

Well I have tried to race a few snow storms in my younger days. I never won, and never thought that excuse would fly at the scale house either. Also if its winter weather you are more likely to get into a fender bender and have an ambulance chasing lawyer try to get you and your company for all you can so there again. Wouldn't be the best case scenario. Also in my 12 to 11 years of running outlaw. I was a safer driver, but what worried me are those around me. Yes I got lazy a few times and didn't think the scale would check my log book and was shut down a few times. But you couldn't tell by my record. But these days those log book violations stick with you for a few years. So that's the only reason I would take you up on that consultant career or even DOT inspector. Driving 200,000 miles a year in 60mph governed truck. Makes you know how to bend, and break the rules a little bit. All I say to anybody if you going to do the crime. Cover your tail and when you get caught. Take it like a man. Yeeeee hawwww

 

My brother was called into a scale house to show his paperwork and overheard a conversation that wasn't going well for another trucker. Apparently that trucker had been reported by a motorist as driving fast and tail gating. The scale house folks had pulled him in and confirmed the time he had passed a scale house in the previous state and found he was going more than 15 mph over the speed limit between the two houses in two different states. He was going to be the unhappy recipient to two reckless driving tickets and was being put out of service.

Oh yeah, and his paper logs had him several hundred miles away.

 

We have E Logs now,but essentially 'cooking' the logs back in the day was necessary to make the time lost at the shipper or receiver shrink.

Example: Instead of the reality that you sat there at a shippers dock for 6 hours you backed it all up on a new sheet to look like you were there only 30 mins or so...magically got the 5.5 back and rolled on.

Ultimately it just went to show how collectively dumb we drivers were...willfully making ourselves work endless hours for what amounted to less pay for the effort.

These corrupt companies loved us,they too are just slaves to the great money machine

I've never in my life of driving seen or heard of someone having and accident and the DOT not uncovering the truth when it comes to "hot logs"

 

If you only have 2 hours left, then you should have been in SB anyway. Make sure you've logged SB and do the 8/2 split. Now you're legal.