Logging Loading/Unloading Time

But who determines if the "warning" violation is accurate?

In my case I asked for a Pike Pass. DM asks the permit department, then a few days later a new plate shows up on his desk - she thought he said plate. No biggie we thought, he faxs me the new cabcard and starts working me back to the terminal to pick up the plate.

Entering WI with a load getting me to the yard I get popped for a random. Trooper doesn't like that my cabcard doesn't match the plate. Doesn't matter to him that if you search the plate it comes up as my company, with a matching vin, or that I have the old cabcard where everything matches. He writes the "warning" violation.

I think a reasonable person would see that I and my company made a good faith effort to be compliant, there was no harm done to another party, nor any attempt to decieve or defraud. Yet the only person we can ask to review the "warning " is the person who wrote it, thus it is de facto unchallengable.

 

And that's the issue... accountability is a two way street. But not to them apparently. Did you rebuttal that? Or just bit the bullet

 

I lost my DataQ and yes it is rigged. The appeal goes right back to the issuing agency, and of course they back their officer.

 

IndianaJack (trucking youtuber turned trucking company safety officer) reported in his latest video of one of his drivers was written up for off duty driving to the nearest truckstop after he ran out of hours a delivery (driver was EMPTY). IndianaJack ran a data q for this driver and LOST. System is definitely rigged!

 

What ever happened to due process? Lol

 

I can't imagine to be straight with HOS with logging loading and unloading time all the time.
Everyone - ok...I mean a normal person - will try to combine a dock time into a rest break, even though it may not be entirely true that you are off or in the sleeper berth resting all that time.
When it is more than 7 hours at the dock, most of folks will wait 1 hour and 10 minutes more to make 8 hour sleeper berth out of it with, perhaps, 10 min check in time. I'd be even more creative and use additional 3- 5 minutes to check out; sign the paperwork, close the door, slide the tandems, hook up etc.

A mean HOS enforcer's interpretation would be this:
The only way to be off duty during loading/unloading is when you drop a trailer and leave the facility and come back after 10 hours, on the condition that you were not under the obligation (duty) to answer a call about the trailer being ready, during the time.

A mean HOS enforcer would tell you this:
You are guilty for falsifying you logs; for not logging the entire time on duty while at a dock, whether you stay in sleeper or not - the readiness condition (aka being on duty) must apply here - you can't possibly rest while they load and unload, after all, you feel and hear when they bump your trailer, besides, they can call you any time to come on the dock and were you really in the sleeper for 8 hours continuously after you bumped the dock to the time they called you to come and the get your paperwork. Hard to believe that you were.

A mean HOS enforcer would advise you this;
You want to be a good citizen who does not compromise public safety after Safeway kept you there at the dock for 8 hours or more? Better log that time on duty. If you're out of hours then use the allowed PC go to the nearest rest place and sit there 8-10 additional hours hours before moving again.

 

This thread is beginning to remind me of why half of the drivers sitting in a safety meeting will groan when an HOS question comes up. I actually have seen drivers get up and walk out. Further, I find it amazing that something drivers have been doing for decades is all the sudden wrong, and there have been no corresponding changes in 395. Be careful around the know it all's in TTR as well as the Truck Stop compliance experts.

 

Agreed. I have seen with my own blue eyes drivers get ratted on because of braggadocious comments made in driver lounges.