Thanks for providing this link pattyj , we should at least give the driver the benefit of a doubt.
If you scroll down there's a news interview with the driver
This is why ELD's are going into effect.
Discussion in 'Trucking Accidents' started by boneebone, Oct 19, 2017.
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Anyone who doesn't know the liability associated with sleeping in the middle of the Interstate not only shouldn't have a CDL, they shouldn't have ANY license, and probably not be allowed anything in their possession sharper than a spoon.
And it isn't just about "laws", it's also about the social contract that all of us agree to when we use public roads. When people violate not only those laws, that seem to be more and more intrusive and more necessary due to the continual dumbing-down of society and drivers, but also rules of common sense and decency, when they have such flagrant disregard for their fellow citizens, then they need to be held accountable for their actions. Especially when their actions result in injuries and deaths of innocent people... regardless of their intent. Intent is only relevant in determining the severity of the charge, i.e,, manslaughter vs. murder. -
HE WASN'T DRIVING!!! His vehicle was stopped with the parking brakes set.
Those charges would be fitting for the bus driver who recklessly plowed into a stopped vehicle, not for a guy who simply fell asleep while the road was shut down and traffic was at a standstill, whom nobody thought to check on when traffic moved again and he didn't. Hell, the man could've had a medical emergency while the road was shut down and been laying in the truck dead and the same thing would've happened, because his truck wasn't moving...then who would you want to see locked up?
People like you are part of the problem...demanding somebody's head on a plate even if they only played a small and insignificant part in what happened. The bus driver was speeding, not watching where he was going, and you want THIS guy's head just because he happens to be the unlucky sap who the bus driver plowed into. If it wasn't this truck, it would've been a broke down minivan with a family inside, or whatever other obstruction this bus driver could find. -
SheepDog Thanks this.
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Did the bus have a dashcam? What does it show?
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California Criminal Jury Instructions (CALCRIM) (2017)
2241. Driver and Driving Defined (Veh. Code, § 305)
[A driver is a person who drives or is in actual physical control of a vehicle.]
RELATED ISSUES
Circumstantial Evidence
Driving may be established through circumstantial evidence. (Mercer v. Dept. ofMotor Vehicles (1991) 53 Cal.3d 753, 770 [280 Cal.Rptr. 745, 809 P.2d 404].) Forexample, in People v. Wilson (1985) 176 Cal.App.3d Supp. 1, 9 [222 Cal.Rptr.540], the court found sufficient evidence of driving where the vehicle was parkedon the freeway, over a mile from the on-ramp, and the defendant, the sole occupantof the vehicle, was found in the driver’s seat with the vehicle’s engine running.
Engine Need Not Be On
In People v. Hernandez (1990) 219 Cal.App.3d 1177, 1184 [269 Cal.Rptr. 21], thecourt held that the defendant was “driving” because he was “seated in the driver’sseat steering or controlling the truck while it was still moving, even though theengine was no longer running.” (See also People v. Jordan (1977) 75 Cal.App.3d Supp. 1, 9 [142 Cal.Rptr. 401] [defendant “driving” a moped when she moved it bypedaling, even though the engine was not on].)
- CALCRIM No. 2241. Driver and Driving Defined :: California Criminal Jury Instructions (CALCRIM) (2017) :: Justia
This idea of "substitution" that you and others are putting forth, i.e., the DA is simply substituting one bad actor (the truck driver) for another (the bus driver), is based on nothing more than vague opinion and feelings. No proof.
I am not demanding anything. And to say the truck driver "only played a small and insignificant part in what happened" is beyond ridiculous. He created the obstacle that had a major role in the deaths of 12 innocent people and broker numerous laws as well as simple, basic human decency in the process.
And again... what if?... what if?... except none of your strawman arguments exist, but 13 people are dead.x1Heavy Thanks this.
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