Hey,
I've been driving for several companies over the past 15 years and decided to start off on my own. I never had to deal with invoices and payment from brokers. I'm trying to do some math to figure out if factoring would make more sense (I have to research the rates and terms and all the hidden fees) or just do it myself.
- How many invoices per year do you end up not getting paid?
- What's the total $ I would need to expect getting lost?
- What's the main reason that brokers don't pay you?
Getting started as OO, should I factor?
Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by phmulin, Jun 28, 2015.
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factoring doesn't gaurantee you get paid. You will get the money for your invoice, but if the broker doesn't pay up the factoring company will take it out of your next settlement or freeze your account until you pay them.
Because they have this power, they may not even try to hard to collect for you. My experience with factoring was not only is it a huge ripoff, but it also makes collections harder for you, not easier.Road Killer, ramblingman and thelushlarry Thank this. -
Good to know. Danny, if you invoice brokers yourself, how often does it happen that they don't pay?
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I have been an owner operator with my own authority for the past three years. I would definitely recommend that you factor. Many of the brokers offer a factoring rate of 1 to 5 percent with a "quick pay" option. These are companies like TQL, C.H. Robinson, Coyote Logistics and such. Those are fine, but you will encounter those brokers that don't offer a quick pay,and offer only thirty days from the day they receive the original bill of lading.
When booking loads and looking at brokers on the load boards, especially if using Get Loaded, you will notice a credit score. It the credit score is below 95, consider factoring. You will also notice that the load board will list if these companies can be factored and will see Loves or TBS listed, which generally means they have been pre-approved.
We use TBS and have done so since the beginning. They charge 5% of the invoice and, unless and original BOL is needed, they will pay from faxed and emailed papers and pay withing 24 to 48 hours depending on when they received the paperwork. You do not have to factor all you clients through them, but if you factor Company A, then you will need to keep factoring Company A with them.
Consider this also, since we started with TBS as non-recourse factoring, they have had to chase or eat close to $30,000 in non pay or delinquent pay. Could you afford to take that kind of loss?RubyEagle, Road Killer and kimbosa Thank this. -
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Wow 30k? Was that from 1-2 brokers or any of them? Why are they not paying?
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I had my authority for a year and a half and dont factor,always got paid.the key is to limit the number of brokers u work with,i rather haul a load two or three hundred dollars cheaper than take a risk on the higher paying freight from 95 credit rated broker.
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I have to make a correction to my above post. I misunderstood my wife when it came to outstanding balances. First of all TBS has been able to collect all monies owed from all the various brokers we have dealt with. However, there are times when some of those monies have gone sixty to ninety days before being paid. We would not be able to stay in business with not being paid for sixty to ninety days on sizable amounts of money. To keep the cash flowing, for us it is better to factor.
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No...
Factoring should be outlawed. It's for people who don't understand time value of money and can't do math. It's loan sharking at it's finest. I'm sure that's gonna hurt some feelings, but that doesn't change the fact's. You're running a business now. Business's don't run on feelings. They run on sound business decisions.
5% factoring for 30 days is 60% apr. If you run 100k miles and avg $2/mile factoring will cost you $10,000 per year.Road Killer, ramblingman, tonto871 and 2 others Thank this. -
Let's say you factor half of your loads per month. 3% from 10k is $300. For $300 they do all the invoicing, you have cash flow and use their fuel card, which saves you $200 per month, because of their discount. You also get to use their broker credit ratings, which saves you another $35 from loadboard. So basically factoring pays for itself
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