logging pti's with rolling 8/2 splits

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  1. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    but remember folks. 10 hours consecutively before starting your next shift.
     
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    Absolutely brilliant, agree 100%

    Yes 10 hours Off Duty or Sleeper or combination of the two before starting next 11 hour drive shift.

    Here's a pretty typical scenario I have run into:

    Coming off 10 hours qualifying break, do a pretrip and arrive at shipper 1 hour away for Live Load. Back up to dock and log sleeper for say, an hour and they are done. Then I go over to the side out of the way and log 1 more hour Off Duty. Now I have a qualifying 2 hour break, my next break after driving only needs to be 8 hours but 100% in the sleeper to qualify. So I drive 4.5 hours and take that 8 hour sleeper, when I get up do a pretrip and I have 5.5 hours left to legally drive. Next break is 2 hours after which I can drive again for 5.5 hours.

    Where you have to be careful with split breaking is the pull over to take little breaks stuff. That 2 hour qualifying break you took comes out of that 3 hours in 14 that is 'yours' to use I guess some guys think it stops the clock or something and still think they have 3 hours to play with, when in actuality you only have 1 hour to play with on either side of the splits (minus pretrip time and pull over to wash your hands time) otherwise you start chipping away at that 11 hour clock.When you burn through that 3 hour cushion I call it, the clocks don't stop ticking until that 8th hour qualifying in the sleeper or 10 hours qualifying break.
     
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    snowwy Road Train Member

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    well, the regs say 10 complete before next shift. so i'll just stick with the straight 11/10/11/10 crap. or 14 as the case may be.

    the whole thing is just flat out stupid govt trash. go back to the 5/4 split and let us be.
     
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    Yeah, the regs say 10. But, then there's the sleeper berth provision that modifies those rules. You can only take an 8-hour break if it's 8 continuous logged as sleeper (Line 2). And it allows you to start up after 8, using what's left of your 11 and 14 back to the last break of 2 hours consecutive (Lines 1 or 2 or a combination).

    But, you don't get a fresh 11/14. You just get the rest of the time left on an 11/14 until you have to do a two-hour break. Once the two hour break is satisifed, you can continue with the 11/14 that started when your 8 was completed.
     
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    The 8/2 counts as your 10... I just ran 3 days straight without ever stopping more than 8 hours and the QC had no problems... This is going to be the only way to maximize efficiency under the new regs (though youre still limited to 70 hours/week instead of 82 currently).
     
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    Perfect point -- that settles the issue nicely (log pti's before/after the 8), thanks!
     
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    Doesn't pulling out of the dock to the side constitute being on duty and interrupting the 2 hour break? If you sat in the dock for the full 2 hours , I could see how this would work.
     
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    There's many a slip twixt a cup and a lip.

    Technically you're absolutely right. The reality is Elog drivers are cheating their logs with the best of the paper guys-- just not as egregiously.

    I have heard of guys pulling off the interstate offramp, coming to the stop sign and logging Off Duty or Sleeper and rolling that 3/8ths of a mile to the truck stop.

    Others are arriving at shippers and receivers early and doing all their work whether drop and hook or live (un)load Off Duty or Sleeper then just before the appointment time they will send in their arrival macros and switch back to On Duty for just the few minutes to look legit.

    Others are bobtailing around Off Duty Driving *towards* their loads.

    Some are logging Off Duty while they wait for the tire guy on the side of the freeway.
     
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  9. LogsRus

    LogsRus <strong>"Log it Legal"</strong>

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    Snowwy, to split break you can

    take
    2 and then 8
    or
    8 and then 2

    the 2 hour break will not extend the 14 hour clock, however it will work with the 8 hour break you take later.
    the 8 hour break will extend the 14 hour clock, the 8 hour break will work with the 2 hour break you take later.
    That's why it's called split breaking 8 & 2. I stress this because many drivers/auditors have a major mis concecption of the
    split break rules. Most tell you the 8 has to be first, which is not true. Either break can come first! You can split break all year long and never take a 10 hour break. Not likely you won't take a 10 ever but, DOT does not tell you to take a 10 hr break at any point!
    I have a sheet myself on hours of service explaining split breaking it's stickied

    see examples 21 through 24 of the DOT examples:
    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/documents/hos/logbook.pdf
     
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    LogsRus <strong>"Log it Legal"</strong>

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    All work must be accouned for by driving or on-duty not driving.
    Nothing work related can be logged as off duty, sleeper or off duty driving (e-logs for off duty driving).

    If you are at a customer, go to the sleeper if you can, if you can not then you must log on-duty unless your company relieves you of all responsibility to perform work and allows you to log off duty. I doubt any company will relieve you of duty while at a customer because you have to be there, ready to move when they knock on that door or call you, usually??
     
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