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    but remember folks. 10 hours consecutively before starting your next shift.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sly Fox View Post
    snowwy is right.

    An eight only gives you the rest of your 11/14 that is left going back to your last break of at least 2 consecutive hours.

    Say, you drive 11 hours, and take an 8. You have no time to drive after that. You may go Line 4, and then do two hours off, and then get your 11 again, but the 8 is not the important part. It's the 2.

    If you're starting out a fresh 11/14, and drive 5 hours, and do an 8 sleeper, you have 6 hours to drive. If you drive 5 hours, and then go into the sleeper again for 8, you have 6 hours to drive (the 8 hour counts back to the previous 8 as being your required 'two-hour break').

    In a traditional split sleeper, the 2 hour break does NOT stop your clocks. They are part OF your shift.

    If you start at 8am, log 15min pre-trip, and then drive for 4:45, it's now 1pm. You sit for two straight hours off-duty or sleeper (or mix of both). At 3pm, you now have 6:15 left for Line 3, but your 14 will still end at 10pm. That 2 hour break just ate up part of your gap between your 11 driving and your 14 on-duty clocks. Which means you have 1 more hour of free time. Of which, you've already used 15min for your pre-trip. So, really, you have 45min left available before you start running against your 14 hour clock.


    But, as snowwy was saying the two is any consecutive two-hours Line 1 or 2 (or combination of the two). The last two of a ten hour count toward it. A 2hr break in the middle of a shift counts. A previous 8-hour sleeper counts. Each time you try to log eight hours in the sleeper, you're logging a new sleeper berth exception. It calculates back to the last two hour break to determine how much time you have left before taking your next two hour break.

    And, being that the 2-hr doesn't stop your clocks, it's part of your shift. The sleeper is your 'reset'. So, when you come out of the sleeper, that's your pretrip. And when you go into the sleeper for eight, is when your post-trip inspection is done. Your two hour is no different than any other break you take in the middle of your shift. You're not 'reporting for duty'... you're already in the middle of your shift.
    Absolutely brilliant, agree 100%

    Quote Originally Posted by snowwy View Post
    but remember folks. 10 hours consecutively before starting your next shift.
    Yes 10 hours Off Duty or Sleeper or combination of the two before starting next 11 hour drive shift.

    Here's a pretty typical scenario I have run into:

    Coming off 10 hours qualifying break, do a pretrip and arrive at shipper 1 hour away for Live Load. Back up to dock and log sleeper for say, an hour and they are done. Then I go over to the side out of the way and log 1 more hour Off Duty. Now I have a qualifying 2 hour break, my next break after driving only needs to be 8 hours but 100% in the sleeper to qualify. So I drive 4.5 hours and take that 8 hour sleeper, when I get up do a pretrip and I have 5.5 hours left to legally drive. Next break is 2 hours after which I can drive again for 5.5 hours.

    Where you have to be careful with split breaking is the pull over to take little breaks stuff. That 2 hour qualifying break you took comes out of that 3 hours in 14 that is 'yours' to use I guess some guys think it stops the clock or something and still think they have 3 hours to play with, when in actuality you only have 1 hour to play with on either side of the splits (minus pretrip time and pull over to wash your hands time) otherwise you start chipping away at that 11 hour clock.When you burn through that 3 hour cushion I call it, the clocks don't stop ticking until that 8th hour qualifying in the sleeper or 10 hours qualifying break.

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    well, the regs say 10 complete before next shift. so i'll just stick with the straight 11/10/11/10 crap. or 14 as the case may be.

    the whole thing is just flat out stupid govt trash. go back to the 5/4 split and let us be.

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    Yeah, the regs say 10. But, then there's the sleeper berth provision that modifies those rules. You can only take an 8-hour break if it's 8 continuous logged as sleeper (Line 2). And it allows you to start up after 8, using what's left of your 11 and 14 back to the last break of 2 hours consecutive (Lines 1 or 2 or a combination).

    But, you don't get a fresh 11/14. You just get the rest of the time left on an 11/14 until you have to do a two-hour break. Once the two hour break is satisifed, you can continue with the 11/14 that started when your 8 was completed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowwy View Post
    but remember folks. 10 hours consecutively before starting your next shift.
    The 8/2 counts as your 10... I just ran 3 days straight without ever stopping more than 8 hours and the QC had no problems... This is going to be the only way to maximize efficiency under the new regs (though youre still limited to 70 hours/week instead of 82 currently).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sly Fox
    In a traditional split sleeper, the 2 hour break does NOT stop your clocks. They are part OF your shift
    Perfect point -- that settles the issue nicely (log pti's before/after the 8), thanks!
    Last edited by double yellow; 03.30.2013 at 12.40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottied67 View Post



    Yes 10 hours Off Duty or Sleeper or combination of the two before starting next 11 hour drive shift.

    Here's a pretty typical scenario I have run into:

    Coming off 10 hours qualifying break, do a pretrip and arrive at shipper 1 hour away for Live Load. Back up to dock and log sleeper for say, an hour and they are done. Then I go over to the side out of the way and log 1 more hour Off Duty. Now I have a qualifying 2 hour break, my next break after driving only needs to be 8 hours but 100% in the sleeper to qualify. So I drive 4.5 hours and take that 8 hour sleeper, when I get up do a pretrip and I have 5.5 hours left to legally drive. Next break is 2 hours after which I can drive again for 5.5 hours.
    Doesn't pulling out of the dock to the side constitute being on duty and interrupting the 2 hour break? If you sat in the dock for the full 2 hours , I could see how this would work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by classic_150 View Post
    Doesn't pulling out of the dock to the side constitute being on duty and interrupting the 2 hour break? If you sat in the dock for the full 2 hours , I could see how this would work.

    There's many a slip twixt a cup and a lip.

    Technically you're absolutely right. The reality is Elog drivers are cheating their logs with the best of the paper guys-- just not as egregiously.

    I have heard of guys pulling off the interstate offramp, coming to the stop sign and logging Off Duty or Sleeper and rolling that 3/8ths of a mile to the truck stop.

    Others are arriving at shippers and receivers early and doing all their work whether drop and hook or live (un)load Off Duty or Sleeper then just before the appointment time they will send in their arrival macros and switch back to On Duty for just the few minutes to look legit.

    Others are bobtailing around Off Duty Driving *towards* their loads.

    Some are logging Off Duty while they wait for the tire guy on the side of the freeway.

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    Snowwy, to split break you can

    take
    2 and then 8
    or
    8 and then 2

    the 2 hour break will not extend the 14 hour clock, however it will work with the 8 hour break you take later.
    the 8 hour break will extend the 14 hour clock, the 8 hour break will work with the 2 hour break you take later.
    That's why it's called split breaking 8 & 2. I stress this because many drivers/auditors have a major mis concecption of the
    split break rules. Most tell you the 8 has to be first, which is not true. Either break can come first! You can split break all year long and never take a 10 hour break. Not likely you won't take a 10 ever but, DOT does not tell you to take a 10 hr break at any point!
    I have a sheet myself on hours of service explaining split breaking it's stickied

    see examples 21 through 24 of the DOT examples:
    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/documents/hos/logbook.pdf

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    All work must be accouned for by driving or on-duty not driving.
    Nothing work related can be logged as off duty, sleeper or off duty driving (e-logs for off duty driving).

    If you are at a customer, go to the sleeper if you can, if you can not then you must log on-duty unless your company relieves you of all responsibility to perform work and allows you to log off duty. I doubt any company will relieve you of duty while at a customer because you have to be there, ready to move when they knock on that door or call you, usually??

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