Despite the ongoing fight in the industry about Electronic Logging Devices and their future, the Commercial Vehicle Safety Alliance says that the full enforcement date will remain the same. Which means that come April 1st, anyone not in compliance with the ELD rule could find themselves placed out of service.
Ever since December 18th, the CVSA has taken a “soft enforcement” stance on the ELD rule to give drivers and enforcement officers time to get used to the new regulation. On April 1st however, that safety net will go away entirely.
At a conference last week, the director of CVSA’s roadside inspections program, Kerri Wirachowsky, confirmed that the hard compliance date will go forward as planned.
There are still several companies and whole segments of the industry who have exemptions or delays from the ELD mandate. Everyone else however can be fined, receive points against their safety rating, and be placed out of service for violating the mandate.
You can make sure you’re compliant by checking out the requirements on the FMCSA website here.
Source: fmcsa, truckinginfo, truckersreport, truckersreport, truckersreport, truckersreport
This is nothing less than government control over truckers who’s next
Please.
I have been driving over the road for twenty years.
We drivers have brought this on ourselves.
See a no parking sign ?
Park there.
Piss bottles ?
Throw them out the window !
Every time I turn around a truck driver is thumbing his nose at what he knows he should be doing.
Drivers abused paper logs so badly that we were killing ourselves to try and make more money.
Electronic logs forced me to make a change in my career.
I was pulling reefers but grocery warehouse not honoring appointment times and burning up my clock forced me back to Food Grade Tankers and it’s the best move I ever made.
Thank You ELD.
ELD’s are dangerous and totally unnecessary. Drivers are not criminals and dont need a tracker/ankle braclet as if they are wards of the State.
The system has been working. Using computers forces humans to attempt to act like computers which is impossible.
Your either an investor, IT, or a very ignorant and selfish person to parade something so stupid because you claim it works for you.
The complaints you have doesnt say your a trucker, it says your fronting, because those things are not common everywhere nor do they have anything to do with ELD’s.
Every real trucker (as well as law enforcement) knows that “no parking signs” in some places cant be applied 100% of the time. Most places were not designed for big trucks. Not to mention having 30-50 parking spots in 100 truckstops for 1M+ trucks doesnt work if you do a little bit of math But of course, only a real trucker knows the business like that through experience.
Anyone going hard to promote ELD’s, clearly arent truckers. You fool no one. The industry looses with these things on every level, its not needed, it doesnt improve anything, it only takes money from town, City, States through training, buying new equipment/sofware and less tickets being written. It costs owner operaters and small companies, extra unnecessary expenses with more monthly bills, up keep, service, repairs, violates our privacy (the 4th Amendment right in more then one way), promotes more stress, more high blood pressure, anxiety, sleep apnea, mistakes, speeding due to rushing to beat the clock all day as well as loosing patience.
Dont assume that all drivers do what you assume. Drivers have nothing to do with the over regulating of this industry. Every few yrs people out side of the industry, ones that have never done this type of work, are popping up with another over reaching rule or law in the name of safety (which is always found to be bogus, just like the ELDs). Its always the same. Some corporation has found a way to sell sonething into the business and law makers thinks it looks nice on paper as well as for their pockets. We know whats going on. So save it….
You are completely out of your minds, Have you ever driven a truck? So the goods you get to bring home hopefully will be delayed in time! Soo glad you ran out another trucker! Good luck ! As always roll on
The CVSA is a group of dangerous and uniformed ignorant fool’s that by enforcing this mandate will get 1000s killed. They are an embarrassment to the law enforcement community.
I hate trucking
If ya say ya hate it then get out of it.
I think Billy Rankin means that he hates what is happening to trucking.
You better check with DOT and see if that’s allowed. They control everything else
HAHAHAHA GOOD ONE !
So don’t drive.
There is nowhere on the FMCSA site that says April 1, 2018. The date there says December 16, 2019? Could someone please explain?
The 2019 date is for the devices that CVSA grandfathered in, but do not consider 100% compliant. They must all change to an approved system by that date. The actual ELD mandate date was 12/16/17. (Except those industries that were exempted, of course.)
Trucking sucks
It would be interesting to know which companies are exempt and why. I bet someone gets paid off to get exempt. Cause money rules over safety every time.
ELD’s have nothing to do with safety to start with. The mandate was 0pushed by the mega’s to “level the playing field”.
What do you mean level the playing field. Those in the ATA have purchasing power in fuel parts equipment an 0/0 can never get close to.
Some of the 1 day rental and replacement truck companies have exempted status.
Seems that Company Paperwork methods plus the many different models of ELDs create a nightmare of ELD compliance issues.
Some situations require staying on paper logs .
Rental and loaners only have a 8 day timeframe. So If your rental is longer the 8 days it will need to have a ELD installed.
Where does it say that. Because that is a rental/lease and the driver doesnt own it. They cant force them to put ELD’s in all of their rental/lease equipment. To much rotation and turn over, thats a complete nightmare.
It seems to me that the segments of the industry that violate the hos the most are the ones that are exempt. Example: ag industry during harvest 18-34 hrs a day, livestock hauler, wrecker operator, etc. Some one explain please.
Sure. This is about brute force regulatory compliance, and has nothing to do with safety. ELD’s explained.
I believe fedex and ups are also working on/have exemptions.
you don’t know what u are talking about, I work for one of them and we are running eld’s and cameras , engage mind before mouth !
Fed Ex does not have an exemption as not only do their trucks have the required Elds but also have company mandatory cameras in the trucks looking at the drivers all the time!
Your right. This is why it doesnt work. But the other companies that pushed so hard for it, are the main ones trying to get exemptions. Isnt that a kick in the pants?
See it all can look good on paper and cute graphs..
Of course it’s the money issue. The hole eld mandate is about money. Big freight companies trying to take over all the freight and push the smaller guys out. It’s never been about safety. I’ve been on the road over 36 years.. I’ve seen alot. Trust me. It’s money period.
Corperate rats crushing the middle class again. As if it wasn’t enough with their massive tax breaks. Middle class gets screwed with higher taxes all over again and America is more than willing to bend over.
Yup. The longview would be to see every load run through the greasy fingers of the multinationals. You can be an “O/O” (preferably with a truck loan through said multinationals financing arm) but your load will come through them. So basically a company driver.
Just the beginning of the big circus.
This is all for the BIG trucking companies. Hooray Hooray, you got what you wanted, we are now all company Driver’s, but not for you.
This is why Truckers throughout the country should organize and write their own narrative. Damn these companies. Without us they wouldn’t survive. Automation will never get off the ground as long as the infrastructure crumbles of which they expect us to pay for with added taxes and fees.
Hoffa really did CARE regardless of his affiliation with the mob who still control the industry! It was a driver who was the hit man. Drivers are mostly selfish b######s then and now but organized labor is subverted from within so.I agree with the idea but Drivers all love to complain but no nonviolent action.
That’s why corporations need to be taxed more and middle class needs to be given a break. Redicoulous. More regulations and taxes for the average guy all while corperate giants get richer. Swift and CR England are laughing to the bank.
I’ve been in trucking for 40 years my dad was in trucking for 35 years before me. It all stops here because the eld is the speed and stop light cameras for fmcsa. We never had an accident or caused any in our 75 combined years. We just loved our job and our freedom to do it. Well the ludacris 14 /70 hour rule changes have ended a pretty good life.Thanks alot fmcsa we are out. It’s just not safe or fun anymore, good bye trucking life!
Me 20 yrs and I’m making my exit in a few months due to the same reasons. The driving life has changed and not to better or safer.
What will you do now for work ?
The best job is food delivery to restaurants or mail hauling.Both depend on seniority but sometimes not.I spent most about 16 years of 24 1/2 years doing one or the other.
Well, those list of exceptions working for me- I’m not going to be far from home. And i’m pretty sure many times ELD device will be malfunctioned just like any electronic devise, so I’d have to use log leafs as a back up anyway
I guess every truck company should just shut down April 1st, that way they don’t have to fear a fine (lol) fmsca saying it’s about safety, what a joke
Its about selling the device to million of trucks. That is a revenue. Also, work 8 hours only, truckers have 6 more hours grace period after 8 if needed to complete the job in a day
Thats right. Thats all its about. A big money grab.
The trucking companies are behind this because it is easier to monitor the truck position and CONTROL the Driver!
I agree. We have been treated and sterotyped like low life criminals for years but they don’t stop to think that we are ordinary people with families trying to make a living and without us the world would stop. No gas, no food, no water, no pharmaceuticals, no lumber no anything. They should be doing everything to make our lives a little easier. We already pay out the a– for diesel and insurance and they already control pretty much every move we make they even know when we stop to use the bathroom. To bad that just for 48 hours if all truckers would put their trucks in park, take the much deserved time and spend it with your wife/husband and kids or go see your elderly parents that you may not have much time left with them to begin with. LET EVERYONE SEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITHOUT US!!! Then just maybe we would get the courtesy and respect that we ALL deserve.
We did that back in the 80’s for three days. They begged us to fire up our trucks again. Won’t happen today to many newbies company & O/O have a 9 to 5 mentality and have expectations for somebody else to make their living for them! They have no idea as to what trucking truly is nor the real money that can be made, for their to busy gripping about going home. So WHY NOT have ELDS nobody wants to drive anyway?
It’s not up to the companies to shut down its up to us, the drivers. Companies can’t fire us all.
Facts..
It’s very interesting to know, which companies are exempt and why?
Just quit gave insurance notice and put my authority on volentary suspension’
Big brother can kiss my # 2
For those who havant quit yet’ good luck the ATA is gunning for you’
and speed limiters are next on the agenda what ever it takes to quash the competition’ and if you think rates will go up just remember when CA put emissions regs on big trucks and stopped 50+ % of trucks entering’ rates stayed the same’ tRump has only spoken one truth as press [ THE GAME IS RIGGED]
politicians represent their own pockets not us’ and OOIDA won’t help ether.
We need go to strike in April 1. Everyone owner operator and company’s drivers and we go to see what the government and companies go to do. When the companies and government see billions dollars lost in couple hours you go to see how the government shut down that unfair, unsafety ELD LAWS. We need unite everyone .
We could all use an extended weekend.
Really? You think all drivers should unite? Have ever bothered to pull out your ear plugs and listen to how the O/Op, and Independent truckers treat anyone who works for a company…driving a company truck? We’re are the scum of the earth in their eyes. And for years, the vast majority of whom have been driving legally under whatever H.O.S. rules were in place at the time. Yet….we are all second class truckers in the eyes of the high and mighty who feel it’s their God given right to disregard any law that they feel personally justified in doing so. And you want all the company drivers to go on strike, to repeal a new law that really has very little impact on their daily life. If you aren’t out there running like a super trucker outlaw, nothing has changed. It’s only affecting the ones who break the law in the name of a few extra dollars every day. So long as this group of individuals treat the rest of the trucking community like they do….there will NEVER be a time when we all stand together as one. PERIOD. And after all….it isn’t the safe and “legal” drivers who have brought this upon our industry….it’s the ones who are running off the hook illegal that did that. It’s time you super heros * in your own mind*, started obeying the law like the rest of the industry.
If you are logging it like you drive it, ELD’s should not have an impact on your driving habits. On the other hand, if you log it like you “wish it” then reality is going to sink in and when your time is up, then you will park the truck. Everyone has the same 24 hrs. Planning your day is going to have a greater importance from now on. Impulse driving is going to be a thing of the past. Parking will be, and now is, a challange.
I can only smirk when I hear or read comments about how ELDs are just for rookies who don’t know how to work HOS.
Really?
I have to log to the minute. So no 30-60mins cruising for parking. I have to be flexible enough that I get my work done without exceeding my limits by 1 single minute. So if I planned to stop in Carneys Point, but the NJTP is backed up for construction/accident/traffic, I can’t just extend my day the way you can on paper.
Personally, I believe ELDs foster much more discipline and planning than a paper log you can just tear pages out of if something happens.
Personally, most people think Elogs are enforcing rules made by morons who have never driven a truck. You know, people like Elaine Chow, Ray Lahood, Anne Ferro, Raymond Martinez. Combined trucking experience? ZERO.
Absolutely.. But the real answer is shutting down for 3-5days. Thats the only way people (common folk/consumers, companies, corp.’s & law makers) will get the true understanding of empty shelves, no gas, product shortage. They have to see it physically. Then they will be in board telling these fools to stop playing with truckers. Pay us fairly, adjust with inflation and give ys a daam break with harassment tactics.
I notice the logistics side of the industry isn’t electronic. It has become very difficult to provide proper customer service,when electronic device is messing everything up. Loading is loading,and unloading is unloading. I was a fully functional adult human being before the elog,and things were just fine.
Oh we’re on elds in logistics. And its made our job damn near impossible. Especially in tradeshow.
Eld is like saying truckers can work 8 hours only, and have a grace period of 6 more hours if more time is needed to finish work in a day
Maybe on April 1st we should all call in sick for one week. A lot of drivers work for companies whom cower to big government and would never support an organized shutdown or a small carrier who cannot afford it. But YOU! YOU can call in sick for one full week. I AM. Most of you are already driving for a company that has a big sticker on the back of your wagon that advertises promises of a better future. I’m 49 yrs old, been doin this for 25 years. Since the first time I rode in a C.O.E. Pete in 2nd grade with my stepfather I knew that day what I was going to do the rest of my life. Year by year. Senseless regulation after senseless regulation this industry has became what it is today. Look at the impact alone of the CVSA 2010. Subway n Denny’s. God forbid you give some person a short ride to shelter from the elements of N. Dakota in January. Now your a felon. WTF!! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!! Just call in sick for one week.
I’ll be off for a week, but not protesting a device that forces drivers to comply with a law that changed 14 years ago.
I spend 3-4 weeks a year (in the winter months) with my toes in the sand in the Caribbean. I’ll be there for the third time this year next week. I also spend August overseas, usually in Europe, but this year I’ll be spending August in China and Japan.
Drivers who are slaving away at jobs where you get 1 day off for every 7-10 worked need to wake up. Drivers working for $50k/year need to wake up.
I went to ELDs 3 years ago (switched companies) and went from earning $60k/year and running myself ragged to earning over $80k and following the letter of the law.
Find a company with good customers. Find a company that actually wants productive trucks and will stand up for their drivers.
I work 65-67 hours every 7 days. In what universe would it be acceptable to get 1 day off in exchange for nearly 70 hours?
Don’t call in sick – quit. Find a job where you can live the life you want and still follow the laws.
I am on paper logs, go to the caribbean every other week, spend winters in Cabo, and make $200k a year take home. I work 3 hours a week, all because I found a better company that wasn’t on ELD’s. Wake up Barf Green!!!
Lol at 80k. Try 170k.
Amen. I have 3 more months for my one year anniversary and I pray I can get a better trucking job. Love it. I’m making 55k now but I know the opportunities will be there ….yes, I’m working a local job after a 5 months otr but I will be more then happy to go otr again as long as I wasn’t being treated like a dog and working like a dog for almost nothing. 💋
Being made to get this eld is a bunch of b.s. because you can’t stop the eld once you start when you are waiting to get loaded or unloaded your time still runs. You will be made to run fatigue running when you’re not used of .
So basicly you just admired you falsify your logs. Because what’s the difference if your on paper or computer logs ?? Here let me tell you. With elds you are forced to be honest on paper logs you put down what you want when you want. Believe me I have been driving for 12 years and 10 of that paper logs. When I would go home for my home time,never late and always hone Thursday afternoon or night. Now elds I’m always home late and run out of hours about 1 1/2 hours from were I live. Also paper logs I could run straight from Bakersfield ca to michigan drop my load go home anbd do it all in about 29-32 hours depending on weather now it takes me about 4 days with good weather. Believe me I hate these elogs as much as the next guy but in some ways it will force people to drive safer but on the other hand it can force you to drive tired because now you don’t want to pull over and take a nap if your tired because the clock does not stop ticking were as paper logs they only ticked when you wanted them too.
ELD’s force drivers to stop when not tired, and drive when tired, to stop way too early just to get a parking spot and to often drive in adverse weather and traffic we often would have pulled over for, to take fewer naps and brakes because the clock keeps ticking. I recall an article from just a few years ago calling truckers the angels of the highways. I used to often stop to help someone with a flat tire or a broke down vehicle but now I know if I stop it will affect my clock and my paycheck. I see fewer drivers stop to help these days.
Pretty sure all of those things are because of HOS.
ELDs force you to comply with the law, but it’s the law that sucks.
Pretty sure the HOS laws are arbitrary and have no scientific basis, since they change constantly. Have accidents stopped since Elogs came about? Safety first right?
E logs are a joke all it is all about money and when this law starts up thay are gone to see is trucks parked on all the get on and get off ramps full of trucks yes it will be a safed problem some one will hit the truck because we don’t have no parking for all the trucks that are on the road right now and I don’t need the government talling me when to go to bad we are grown not there kids we all know when we need to go to bad
A Union is what’s needed. The abuse will STOP. We as Truck Drivers mean a lot time for these companies to APPRECIATE that. As 1{one} we will stand STRONG…
I disagree.
Personal agency is what’s needed, not another daddy warbucks telling me what I like, what’s good for me and then charging me dues for the privilege of having no options.
Don’t work for megas if they don’t work for you. Don’t work for less than you are worth. Don’t dedicate your life, work and energy to those who would oppress you. Not government, not corporations and not unions.
Union dues will line the pockets of the fat cats at the union. Many who are slick kids of other union fat cats and have no more knowledge of the industry than the kids of the government fat cats who are running the show these days. Unions self enrich by forcing membership even on those who don’t wish to participate.
I am pro labour, but not pro organised labour.
I want to be rewarded for my hard work, which is why I’m not interested in going regional to an hourly salary. If I work harder than others, I expect to be compensated for it. I don’t want to work with convicted felons, drivers with DUIs or substance abuse issues because a union covers off for those drop kicks.
Are you canadian?
just want to drive the truck
Eld rule is Tagalog nonsense for veterans, being told when and when not to drive by a computer is ridiculous. You think I’m gonna pull over cause a computer says I should when I have an hour to go before I get home with a blizzard coming or I have to wait for a hurricane to hit Fla before I’m able to drive. Total nonsense. This is one reason veterans like myself are hanging up their keys. Keep putting inexperienced drivers out there so they can go under low bridges or drive over bridges with 3 ton limits. Keep up this way and they’ll only be inexperience out there
THESE ARE THE FACTS!!!
VERY WELL STATED AND WELL PUT…
THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHATS GOING ON IN THIS INDUSTRY..
AND THIS IS BARELY A FRACTION OF WHAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH EVERY DAY ON THE ROAD…
E-logs are going to make trucking more unsafe because the consignee wants the load at a specific time and dose not give a window like in the old days,so driver’s are going to be forced to drive when they are tierd; there will be more wrecks and it will be the government and companies fault but the driver will be the one getting screwed!
Drivers already have to do that.
Unless you admit that you cheat your logs and break the law for the sake of some shipper somewhere.
If that’s the case, I sincerely hope you are never involved in any kind of serious accident on the road, as your logs will be torn apart and verified against your cell phone GPS, truck GPS, tracking on your truck and you’ll be behind bars.
Do you offer legal advice on a contingency basis? If so, do you log it on duty Barf?
Barf Green Is just a TROLL for the ATA they want the 14hr rule thrown out so the can run there drivers with elogs to death.
I’m totally disgusted….Shippers and receivers are not on board for the most part…. and seems like OOIDA would be getting us all who at least have their insurance to shut down on April 1st….and lastly (Trump) could’ve stopped this just like all the other executive orders he’s issued,…but nope ,he sat up there in that meeting, cheesing with the”Big boys”…Mega Carriers…. I don’t Blame him Completely…. I just wish he would’ve kept his word…..a vote wasted…..C.R.E.A.M……Cash Rules Everything Around Me.
At this point after what we’ve clearly witness him doing coming in office for the 1st 2mths, slinging executive orders evwry where, how can he not take much if not all the blame. Hes suppose to be The Big Business man, the #1 deal maker, the anti-regulation/rule guru, the guy with an answer for everything especially big business. How is it after a long speech for votes, and full support from the trucking industry, now he has amnesia. He doesnt care. He doesnt look back, or even address anything concerning trucking. He doesnt care. But all of his businesses just like most of America, depends on the trucking industry. If we dont get it there, they dont have a business.
If this is truly about safety, do I get better insurance rates for being compliant.
Larry really what world are you fantasizing about’ Insurance rates i have never made a claim and yet mine goes up every year without any reason no ticket nothing at all.
The stupidity if the CVSA and FMCSA is just amazing. We have no parking now never mind how bad this will be come April 1st. They are not listening to us. Drivers driving crazy to beat the clock. I am disgusted with the whole industry.
The gov always starts at the ass end of the problem the shippers and receivers has always been where the problem lies
…and at a time when the country is already facing a major driver shortage. The government responds by adding more bogus, expansive/expensive regulations. Gee, it almost seems like they’re -trying- to cause a catastrophe. Maybe if they can force enough drivers off the road, the country will have no choice but to fully back/fund autonomous trucks. 😎
Oh, I think you are more on target than many understand.
For all the self driving naysayers, perhaps they should look at the production contracts for 2019. The big three (especially GM and CHY) are moving fast, and have been involved long before elon dazzled everyone. Funny thing, I don’t recall hearing a demand for this. But hey, we’re all gonna get it, and like it.
You wanna sell people on something? Just use one (or all) of these magic words: “safety,security,equality,environment”.
You can get ANYTHING passed with those words.
The facts!!! You hit it right on the head.
Ha! April fools.
I’m out ..making other arrangements for myself ..I guess it was time anyway ..seems at every turn we make in society ..government has become the individuals arch enemy ..
Government has always been the enemy of the people. James Madison, so called “Father of the Constituion” wanted to find ways to protect the wealthiest Americans from the poor majority.
The US Government was set up in its infancy to protect wealthy land owning elites and their children from the poor, unwashed masses. So basically, nothing has changed.
Sorry if you bought the hook, line and sinker the wealthy have sold you about being equal. You never were equal, you never will be equal, and you were never intended to have a voice at the adults’ table.
For all the preaching and braying about the Constitution, it’s amazing how few people even know what it’s about.
I am an Owner / Operator and a long time paper log advocate and user. I have had to change to the ELD way of doing things, at first I thought this would be a nightmare, as have many of my fellow drivers. So far I have been pleasantly surprised. Having the ability to fudge a bit on paper is also the same with the ELD, the 14 hour rule can’t be messed with, and the FMCSA should make it 18 hours with the ELD to accommodate all aspects of trucking. I actually see many good things in using the ELD. I know many are skeptical and probably hesitate to the change, but the technology is not that difficult to operate and is quite user friendly. I suggest having an open mind and give it a shot since most of us don’t have a choice with the rules being official. Try it, you might just like it!
T.e.K Is just a TROLL for the ATA they want the 14hr rule thrown out so the can run there drivers with elogs to death.
Glad I switched to yard spotter 😎
Smart move. Probably get OT pay as well doing that.
Fellow drivers …. those people who sit up there in the government seats have no idea of the Hell that we go threw each day to make our time for each destination….or having to find legal parking or some back road that we can travel safely …. none of the government has ever been in a truck
So I’m with ya fellow drivers by what rights does the. Government have to tell us how to do our jobs when they never have done it them selves
My father is an engineer. He has literally thousands of regulations, professional association codes of conduct, accepted practices, hundreds of monthly periodicals to comb through, field and lab test results to analyse, well – you get the picture.
He doesn’t work for the government, yet he has all these rules and regulations written by government people who have never done his job to comply with.
Mom’s a pharmacist. Ditto for her. Bajillion pages of rules, laws, ethical standards, professional association guidelines and government oversight despite not working for government.
Get it?
Gyiamous You don’t get it they don’t care’ Its about who payed for what.
one
truck and get my own loads how do I get exempt?
Are you currently in exempt from HOS?
Stay within 100 miles of home and you’re exempt, or get into livestock. In other words, the same drivers who are exempt from record of duty keeping HOS are exempt from ELDs
This is funny. They can’t find drivers to save their lives, yet they are going to put guys out of service if they don’t have electronic logs. They better figure out how to make trucks drive by themselves, because nobody in their right mind will drive a truck anymore.
Oh, they are hard at work on that my friend, don’t you worry.
Every year govment dot come up silly laws
Drivers quit driving every company s.
Looking for drivers that why there short of drivers
Tell dot work for all over the road and move the items. Cause’ DOT only knows give and evaluations they’re obstruction for all cdl drivers!
To all cdl drivers alot of complaints with regards to ELD . in short they dont know how to use it , they are not ELD oriented. They dont know how to manage thier time, they dont know how to make a trip plan. Me i dont experience any issues on late delivery, parking or what else. If your paperlog you expense more time on writing while ELD its very quick you click only your done. Easy if you forget to change the status you can edit thats it.
I don’t think you have any idea what goes on out here, nor do I think you know what contract work is.
Sounds kinda like you haul general BS freight and have a mega carrier to shield you from retaliation.
Yup. Thats right..
Why is it that high school students across the U.S. can organize a walkout but we as truckers can’t organize a strike to gain the attention of the people of what we feel is best and safest for us and the public in this industry, instead we allow the inexperienced and politicians tell us what is best for US.
Perhaps because everyone should agree that gunning children down in schools is wrong, and it’s a cause worthy of attention.
Not every driver feels passionately about defending the “rights” of drivers to violate laws.
If you don’t like the laws, work to change them. Flagrantly violating the laws, à la civil disobedience, is one thing for civil rights but quite another to defend lawlessness.
Unless you can make the case that HOS somehow violates your civil rights. If it’s compelling, I’ll be right there with my placard and t-shirt. Until then, my advice is find a job with a company that respects you and don’t expect public sympathy for breaking the law.
I can’t imagine another industry that needs representing more than the trucking industry’
I asked OOIDA and they said it was not there responsibility’ or words to that effect’ I guess they make there money without pushing the wrong button’ I wonder some times does anyone represent us at all
If we don’t strike we don’t matter what is wrong with us who is keeping us down’ evan the teachers are striking most of them woman for better pay we should be ashamed for being such coward’s april 1st now or never.
I was a teacher for 20+ years before I started driving. Most teachers openly accept the abuses as part of the job. The idea of going on strike are met with aggressive and insulting comments of being selfish and self serving. (Apparently teachers are supposed to be paupers and donate our time) Teaching and driving both are made less efficient and less productive because of government interference.
I have been driving 18 months and agree some accountability is required because of a few bad apples. The current hos regulations are ineffective and too rigid. There should be a way to stop the 14 hour clock. For example, if I’m at a shipper etc and use the down time to nap, I am resting and am not working. The clock should be paused during this time. This is a simple improvement to the regulations which could be beneficial and allow flexibility as well as assuring drivers are rested. As many of you have accurately mentioned, the current reg’s do NOT assure rested drivers; the reg’s actually make us less rested and unsafe racing the clock. I prefer the electronic logging over the paper logs due to efficiency. I don’t see the e-logs as the issue. The hos and bureaucracy is the cause of issue.
Because we pay bills and they don’t.
I’m not being smug, I mean that reason quite literally.
Its because too many wont cooperate, and THEY know this. All of the industry knows its not safe causes many problems that makes the job more complicated, yet you still have some drivers not unifying due to themselves being able to work some what with it. This is selfish. And any inconvenience is a reason to unify. We need all to be on the same page even if you feel it wirks fine for you. We must move as 1. Everyone must know we bring them their bread, milk, toilet paper, tampons and gas. With out us the store that they shop in everyday will be an empty worthless room.
Drivers must have unity, dedication, along with loyalty to the industry and each other. Ince everyone knows we move together, no one will play games with us. But as long as we have self centered, selfish, careless, stupid, or 100% lone wolf thinking drivers, it will bever get better..
Drivers have tried, doing it their way, over and over, complying ti everything everytime.
WHERE HAS THAT GOTTEN US??
Its gotten us bent over again, which shows it will never end. It will always be more and more unnecessary garbage until WE ALL SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH..
WE have to be wise and have a back bone. What happens now determines the future.
I’m a company driver and been on eld for 6 months and I’m losing 500.00 a pay cause I use to do 3 rounds aweek to Tenn and can only do 2 now. Shipper and receiver have got slower. I vote for a shut down April 1st.
Shut down!!
Why don’t all truck drivers stop working for 1 week and see what happens to the economy. I quit driving more than a year because the ELD is going to be mandate. Now I drive local very happy for more than a year.
What’s the use of complaining? It’s a month from full effect. Either get used to it or get out. For the two years it’s been in review, nobody said or did anything except whine. Truckers never change. Your on the bottom of the totem pole get use to the weight. Everybody shut down for a week starting April 1. That’s your final stand or stfu.
Soft enforcement my Butt. One of our drivers mistakenly logged in 2 minutes to early from a 10 hr rest break one full week prior and after a 34 rest and after an inspection and was put out of service by Wisconsin.
Well we know what the problem is the question is WHAT ARE YOU DRIVERS PLANNING TO DO ABOUT IT??????? STRIKE STARTING APRIL 1ST if your not willing to do that might as well stop crying about it ooida isn’t getting anywhere. Kinda of like a bully in school if you do nothing he’ll keep picking on you but if you fight him he’ll probably leave you alone so I say again STRIKE APRIL 1ST!!!!!!!!
Been there done that. Driver , company driver , trainer , team , o/o , flatbed , van , reefer , construction , container intermodal , small fleet , small carrier , small broker. Etc etc …. big rich companies became that way because they work smarter not harder. If you are going to go out of business because of something the successful co.’s handled years ago then your a weak business person.
A weak business person? Yeah, my bad, I shoulda greased some palms, and screwed some people over. That woulda made me top notch in your view.
Free market capitalism is great, but requires ethics, not “strong business people”. Otherwise you end up with crony capitalism, the “weak” american term for facism.
If i wasnt clear , paper logged for many more years than used eld’s and i would never want to go back to art class and draw silly little lines on silly peices of paper.
The problem is not with the ELD. It is the HOS. As CMV operators, we need to be able make decisions regarding stopping and waiting out traffic, weather and other simular congested circumstances.
For over 70 years we had that option, and the system worked.
We need to revive the old HOS where you could split Off Duty & Sleeper Berth with an 8 hour break, & 70 hour rolling clock!!!
The ELD just takes the cheating away.
You people kill me with this whole “cheating” nonsense. Being stuck in traffic that doesn’t move, pulling over due to terrible weather conditions, dead stop construction, accidents or emergency vehicle situations is not cheating when it comes to a drivers log book. These are adverse conditions, which requires adjustments to your log because you arent technically driving. 15mins-4hrs in some cases, 1-2 for others regularly in congested city/town traffic areas.
Only a moron would think that they can use a cookie cutter format on an industry with so many moving parts and people involved. There is no on size fits all. ELD’s should be for gigantic corps with ridiculous amounts of drivers and equipment. They need those system just to run it efficiently already, thats why theyve been pushing for it. Others with under 30 trucks, should have the option to log as they please. If paper has been working, andvthey dont have a ton of violations, then there is no need.. Period.. Its all BS.
Bobbie, Sociopaths don’t care whose thrown under the bus or who’s head there stood on to get ahead’ and you will never know what you get to miss out on because it just won’t a cure to you and evan if it did it wouldn’t make any sense to you’SAD.
You have personal problems with sociopaths ? Thought the discussion was about hos and commercial freight transport ? Your stuck thrown under a bus also ? Are you a weak person that has trouble with people and life pushing you around ? No problem technology will cure your problems when all freight transport will be mechanised. Then you will complain mean sociopaths stepped on your head then pushed you under a buss when you have no job. Your life does sound a bit difficult , you may want to seek some professional psychiatric help with your issues for they will get worse when you no longer can find a job. To the brave the future goes and tomorrow never knows.
I laugh when I hear other drivers talk about the eld’s. How have you log it like you drive it you shouldn’t have a problem with the Eld. let me tell you something I’m out here to make a living to make money not to sit in truck stops for 10 hours every day. I’m a grown man I know when to pull over and go to bed I don’t need a ELD to tell me it’s time to go to bed. Eld’s are a joke. if you want to keep the eld’s then get rid of the 14-hour rule. those who wrote the law need to come out here and drive around in a truck for a week to see that it does not work the way they think. Just my opinion. Yes and everybody has one. Good day to all.
Everyone is complaining about the 14 hour clock and the mandate will make it unsafe. And the government just sits there and does nothing. How many people need to die before you guys get it?
Think it’s time to set a date across the country and pull the brake for 48 to 72 hours… every trucker every industry then we would have a voice…
Exactly!!
We trucker brought this on ourselves by not taking a stand years ago. However the ELD isn’t really the problem. it’s the damn 14 hr rule. It is one of the biggest threats to safe trucking and it’s only going to get worse. I here trucker say they can’t afford to take a stand. It’s getting to the point we can’t afford not to.
We need to have a slogan, and I think it needs to be….APRIL 1st OR NEVER…..everything needs to come to a stop April 1st…..3 days max….drivers, take 3 day’s off, no matter where you are…call in sick…owner operators, park your truck and if you say you can’t afford to take 3 day’s off, you’re already bankrupt anyway. For Gods sake, just once, stick together for the greater good! Remember..,….,,,APRIL 1st OR NEVER!!, if you miss it this time, end over….FMCSA has plenty more hot pokers to shove up there!
ELDs do not make the roads or trucking more dangerous.
Stop with the nonsense. You’re just making yourselves look stupid.
If you don’t like ELDs, that’s fine. Personally I’ve ran both. And to be honest, ELDs make life so much easier. Just stop and go. No monkeying around filling out stupid log books. And no monkeying around at the end of the day when you’re tired. Just go eat, shower, and sleep.
I get it that you guys don’t like the ELDs. But it’s not them that you have a problem with. It’s the HOS. But anyone pushing to be allowed to work beyond 14 hours a day in 40 ton trucks around families and children isn’t going to win too many political favors.
You folks need to find a new battle. You lost.
Driving when you are tired because you were forced to sit or wait when you couldve been or should be driving causes dangerous conditions. What idiot doesn’t know that? If youve been driving a truck then that is a no brainer. Rushing throughout your day racing a clock also causes dangerous conditions. Packed truck stops, traffic, bad weather, Accidents, construction, emergency vehicle situations, causes long delays DAILY. Any seasoned driver knows this.
This causes a driver to work extra harder/faster in order to make up time. That also means speeding to beat the clock. Not being where you need to be on time, always causes your day/night or your week to be ruined.
Less money, less runs, less calls from dispatches, high risk of damages and/or accidents. Loading and unloadong also becomes a nightmare along with fines and write ups. How the hell can ELDs be better?
(Trucking 101)
YOU CAN DRAG A BUG FROM UNDER A CARDBOARD BOX AND GET HIM A CDL…
THAT’S BEEN PROVEN BY THE MULTI TRUCK COMPANIES…
THEY THEMSELVES CREATED THE “”ELD ISSUE”” BY SUBSTITUTING, “”INFERIOR SUBHUMAN BUGS!!!”
”IN PLACE OF THE SOLID CAREER GENERATION TO GENERATION TRUCKER TYPE.
NOW THEY’’RE WORKING THE BUGS OUT OF ROBOT TRUCKS TO REPLACE US ALL!
GO FIGURE?
Sure is a lot of finger pointing, it’s no one’s falt but our own we are the ones who caused this so guess suck it up buttercup and point our fingers at ourselves